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[Max Green]

Bill Simmons sucks.

[machu46]

So we are taking on 62M of Ryan Anderson at the position we are most stacked at, to dump 1/6 of Hawes and 2/20 for Mirza? No. No way. Take Hawes out and put Henson in and we can talk.

This. **** no to taking on Anderson and that contract unless we are getting rid of Henson and Mirza.

That Simmons trade is terrible.

even if we dump Henson and Mirza we arent getting better or clearing significant salary, so why would we do it?

Simmons' idea is pretty terrible for us, and I don't think the Henson/Mirza combo is realistic, but Anderson is absolutely better than Teletovic and Henson isn't playing for us, so the trade definitely improves us at least a little bit.

If something like this goes down, I'd expect Delly to be headed to New York; he seems to be the type of PG the Knicks are looking for. Hopefully Henson would be in the deal too.

[Badgerlander]

This. **** no to taking on Anderson and that contract unless we are getting rid of Henson and Mirza.

That Simmons trade is terrible.

even if we dump Henson and Mirza we arent getting better or clearing significant salary, so why would we do it?

At least Anderson is a player you can put on the court. I mean, I'd rather not take on that contract at all personally. But in the context of this Knicks/Rockets situation and our potential involvement, shedding those two would be a must to take back Anderson.

http://bkref.com/tiny/HRob4

I dont see a huge difference between Ryno and Telly so its basically lighting Henson's deal on fire

[Bucksfan28]

even if we dump Henson and Mirza we arent getting better or clearing significant salary, so why would we do it?

At least Anderson is a player you can put on the court. I mean, I'd rather not take on that contract at all personally. But in the context of this Knicks/Rockets situation and our potential involvement, shedding those two would be a must to take back Anderson.

http://bkref.com/tiny/HRob4

I dont see a huge difference between Ryno and Telly so its basically lighting Henson's deal on fire

40% vs 34% 3pt
58TS% vs 51TS%

Seems pretty significant to me.

[JimmyTheKid]

Bill Simmons sucks.

There is no question. I only saw his tweet because someone I follow retweeted him. And the timing was funny because a couple posters here were throwing around Ryan Anderson and the Bucks potentially being part of the 4-way Carmelo deal. Almost as if he was skimming Bucks RealGM forums for material.

[Badgerlander]

At least Anderson is a player you can put on the court. I mean, I'd rather not take on that contract at all personally. But in the context of this Knicks/Rockets situation and our potential involvement, shedding those two would be a must to take back Anderson.

http://bkref.com/tiny/HRob4

I dont see a huge difference between Ryno and Telly so its basically lighting Henson's deal on fire

40% vs 34% 3pt
58TS% vs 51TS%

Seems pretty significant to me.

is it? look at the per 100 possessions, Anderson scored exactly 2 more points than Mirza, so given the same amount of touches its a wash. Plus Anderson had much better spacing in Houston's offense and a much better team, yet the numbers are similar. Sure Anderson is better, but over the course of a season is it going to amount to anything tangible? Smaller contracts are easier to dump imo.

[Bucksfan28]

http://bkref.com/tiny/HRob4

I dont see a huge difference between Ryno and Telly so its basically lighting Henson's deal on fire

40% vs 34% 3pt
58TS% vs 51TS%

Seems pretty significant to me.

is it? look at the per 100 possessions, Anderson scored exactly 2 more points than Mirza, so given the same amount of touches its a wash. Plus Anderson had much better spacing in Houston's offense and a much better team, yet the numbers are similar. Sure Anderson is better, but over the course of a season is it going to amount to anything tangible? Smaller contracts are easier to dump imo.

Considering they're primary (only?) objective is to space the floor and shoot, I'd say that percentage is a pretty decent gap. PPG for one-dimensional role players is much less significant to me than them actually doing the one thing that's expected. They're both gonna be abysmal on defense, poor rebounders, and void of any playmaking.

[afroblackarican]

The 40% versus 34% is very significant. I also look at Teletovic as a streaky shooter while Anderson is much more consistent with better mechanics. It would be a very nice upgrade for Giannis.

[blazza18]

Bill Simmons sucks.

[Fresh_Prince12]

At least Anderson is a player you can put on the court. I mean, I'd rather not take on that contract at all personally. But in the context of this Knicks/Rockets situation and our potential involvement, shedding those two would be a must to take back Anderson.

http://bkref.com/tiny/HRob4

I dont see a huge difference between Ryno and Telly so its basically lighting Henson's deal on fire

40% vs 34% 3pt
58TS% vs 51TS%

Seems pretty significant to me.

Are you factoring in how Kidd's system would effect his TS%

[MickeyDavis]

The NBA has reduced the number of timeouts per game and reduced the number of timeouts a team can call in the final two minutes of the game and in overtime in an effort to speed up the pace.

The maximum number of timeouts per game has been reduced from 18 to 14 and teams can now call just two timeouts – instead of three – in the final three minutes of regulation. Also, teams now have just two timeouts to use per overtime session instead of three.

[FlagsFlyForever]

http://bkref.com/tiny/HRob4

I dont see a huge difference between Ryno and Telly so its basically lighting Henson's deal on fire

40% vs 34% 3pt
58TS% vs 51TS%

Seems pretty significant to me.

Are you factoring in how Kidd's system would effect his TS%

How would it affect his shooting? Mirza got more open looks with the Bucks than he ever had in his career.

[Profound23]

Read on Twitter

Simmons got this idea here didn't he?

Include Knicks unprotected 1st round pick and I take that deal.

Obviously, they don't.....but that's the only way I'm touching that contract.

[paulpressey25]

Anderson is a much better player than Telly. But he costs 2x. Not worth it unless you are dumping out all three of trash contracts. (Telly, Delly, Henson)

[Profound23]

Anderson is a much better player than Telly. But he costs 2x. Not worth it unless you are dumping out all three of trash contracts. (Telly, Delly, Henson)

Maybe.......... Delly, Telly, and Henson for Anderson/Ariza (expiring), maybe.

But that is a hard pill to swallow.

[DrWood]

It's amazing to me that teams would sign their rookies to anything less than three years, given the low salaries.

I thought all first round picks were signed to 3 or 4 year contracts. The thing about 2nd rounders is that a lot don't ever produce, so shedding their contracts is good.

[Baddy Chuck]

It's amazing to me that teams would sign their rookies to anything less than three years, given the low salaries.

I thought all first round picks were signed to 3 or 4 year contracts. The thing about 2nd rounders is that a lot don't ever produce, so shedding their contracts is good.

Probably has more to do with the players wanting to get out of the contracts than the teams, otherwise they'd just make the later years unguaranteed.

[ReasonablySober]

It's amazing to me that teams would sign their rookies to anything less than three years, given the low salaries.

I thought all first round picks were signed to 3 or 4 year contracts. The thing about 2nd rounders is that a lot don't ever produce, so shedding their contracts is good.

They're signed for such small amounts on an annual basis that it doesn't matter if you're stuck buying a guy out for a million or less.

The upside is you get a contributor on the cheap you would normally have to pay $6-$10 million a year for.

As for guys playing hardball for a one year deal, it rarely happens.

[Fotis St]

Ryan Anderson + Hartenstein for 2 of Delly/Telly/Henson

[Gianstoppable]

How much will Noel sign for? 4/60-4/70? Can't see him making more than that off just potential. Would be nice to blackmail a GM into taking Henson/Mirza/Moose