Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

DingleJerry · Post #721 » by **DingleJerry** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:21 pm

Exactly, as long is it remains a 1st then it's fine. Worst case was some kind of conversion into 2nds. Chances are we get that pick next year to make up for us giving ours to PHX and we can trade this whole time now if needed.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #722 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:35 pm

Pretty what I expected for the 1st rounder. There's no way it was ever not going to be lotto protected given the new format.

Still coming to terms with this whole transaction. Maybe I'm naive but I really thought Brogdon was going to a Buck for awhile. Didn't really see this coming.

Bernman · Post #723 » by **Bernman** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:40 pm

That's fine with me. It's effectively guaranteed to be a 1st rd pick and will probably convey next year around 20 because the Pacers project to be a good not great team so we wouldn't have to wait and it would at least replace our lost one or be solid trade bait.

Matches Malone · Post #724 » by **Matches Malone** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:40 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:Pretty what I expected for the 1st rounder. There's no way it was ever not going to be lotto protected given the new format.

Still coming to terms with this whole transaction. Maybe I'm naive but I really thought Brogdon was going to a Buck for awhile. Didn't really see this coming.

Yeah, I'm still really bothered by the whole thing. I'm trying to talk myself into thinking that maybe the medical red flags were just too great for them to spend that kind of money if he's got bad feet and will only get worse moving forward, but its difficult to watch one of your better players who was considered a glue guy for the team leave for a conference rival.

DingleJerry · Post #725 » by **DingleJerry** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:43 pm

That's fair and all. You can argue the decisions back and forth a bit, but at least they were smart enough to get these picks back instead of letting go for nothing. they were ahead of the situation. I think we're seeing signs of much smarter overall management here than what we've all grown used to.

Lazlo4D · Post #726 » by **Lazlo4D** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:50 pm

An interesting story about this trade, from Brian Windhorst podcast with Jackie McMullen.

I guess Herb Simon, the Pacer's Owner, called the Bucks about making this deal because he doesn't like poaching other teams RFA's.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=27098372

At about the 25:00 minute mark...

emunney · Post #727 » by **emunney** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:54 pm

Of their top ten guys in minutes played last year, Pacers have lost 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 10. They've added Brogdon, Warren, Lamb, and Goga and Oladipo apparently should be back by January.

My take is that if he's not really good, they are going to be in a dogfight for a playoff spot.

JEIS · Post #728 » by **JEIS** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:55 pm

Lazlo4D wrote:An interesting story about this trade, from Brian Windhorst podcast with Jackie McMullen.

I guess Herb Simon, the Pacer's Owner, called the Bucks about making this deal because he doesn't like poaching other teams RFA's.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=27098372

At about the 25:00 minute mark...

That f@#%er is trying to out nice our team.

DingleJerry · Post #729 » by **DingleJerry** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 8:58 pm

JEIS wrote:
Lazlo4D wrote:An interesting story about this trade, from Brian Windhorst podcast with Jackie McMullen.

I guess Herb Simon, the Pacer's Owner, called the Bucks about making this deal because he doesn't like poaching other teams RFA's.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=27098372

At about the 25:00 minute mark...

That f@#%er is trying to out nice our team.

Yea I was kind of confused as to why since they didn't offload any salary to us or anything. Really made no sense to me

EastSideBucksFan · Post #730 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:00 pm

Lazlo4D wrote:An interesting story about this trade, from Brian Windhorst podcast with Jackie McMullen.

I guess Herb Simon, the Pacer's Owner, called the Bucks about making this deal because he doesn't like poaching other teams RFA's.

http://www.espn.com/espnradio/play?id=27098372

At about the 25:00 minute mark...

I'll listen to this in a bit, thanks for sharing.

I've been just honestly confused how this turned into a S&T and why Indy gave us picks.

Maybe this explains some more context. I don't get why they didn't just sign him and wait for us to not match.

DingleJerry · Post #731 » by **DingleJerry** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:00 pm

emunney wrote:Of their top ten guys in minutes played last year, Pacers have lost 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 10. They've added Brogdon, Warren, Lamb, and Goga and Oladipo apparently should be back by January.

My take is that if he's not really good, they are going to be in a dogfight for a playoff spot.

Article on the topic. https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/7/2/20678677/nba-free-agency-indiana-pacers-victor-oladipo-malcolm-brogdon

I didn't get all the way through it. They seem to like the idea of swapping out the older guys for younger who fit Dipo's timeline a bit better. But overall just how they continually rebuild and continue to be good. Kind of like Portland East.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #732 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:12 pm

emunney wrote:Of their top ten guys in minutes played last year, Pacers have lost 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 10. They've added Brogdon, Warren, Lamb, and Goga and Oladipo apparently should be back by January.

My take is that if he's not really good, they are going to be in a dogfight for a playoff spot.

For some reason, thought Dipo would be back earlier. Is this pick not protected at all?

Definitely Better(2): Bucks, Sixers
Probably Better (4): Celtics, Raptors, Nets, Heat
Maybe (2): Magic, Pistons

I was going into this exercise optimistic we could push Indy into a lottery pick. The non-playoff East team (with the exception) either are stagnant or got worse. Ouch. No big signings or hope of player development in that lot.

emunney · Post #733 » by **emunney** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:17 pm

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:
emunney wrote:Of their top ten guys in minutes played last year, Pacers have lost 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, and 10. They've added Brogdon, Warren, Lamb, and Goga and Oladipo apparently should be back by January.

My take is that if he's not really good, they are going to be in a dogfight for a playoff spot.

For some reason, thought Dipo would be back earlier. Is this pick not protected at all?

Definitely Better(2): Bucks, Sixers
Probably Better (4): Celtics, Raptors, Nets, Heat
Maybe (2): Magic, Pistons

I was going into this exercise optimistic we could push Indy into a lottery pick. The non-playoff East team (with the exception) either are stagnant or got worse. Ouch. No big signings or hope of player development in that lot.

Lotto protected for 6 years.

DanoMac · Post #734 » by **DanoMac** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:19 pm

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Frank Nova · Post #735 » by **Frank Nova** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:24 pm

The east is so bad that all Indiana has to do is make the playoffs and we get their pick. This will be a real nice asset at the trade deadline when we upgrade the roster for the stretch run like we did last year.

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TroyD92 · Post #736 » by **TroyD92** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:26 pm

So we will definitely get the pick next year lol.

TMG · Post #737 » by **TMG** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:51 pm

I haven’t read through every page so I apologize if someone already mentioned it, but Zach Harper of the Athletic seems to think Brogdon wanted out.

https://theathletic.com/1055760/2019/06/30/instant-grades-and-reaction-the-malcom-brogdon-sign-and-trade-to-indiana/?amp#click=https://t.co/UwlTbm1JxH

“Rumblings out of Malcolm Brogdon’s camp following the conclusion of the 2018-19 season were that he would try to find his way to another team outside of Milwaukee. Sticking around in Milwaukee and having to battle Eric Bledsoe for starting point guard duties just didn’t appeal to someone also looking to cash out in restricted free agency this summer.”

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Bernman · Post #738 » by **Bernman** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 9:57 pm

He's not a pg. He's a sg who can play pg in a pinch. So that's a misread of his own abilities. I would have re-signed Brogdon, valuating him at that rate or higher as a sg, and moved Bledsoe, but to replace him, not clear the way so Brogdon was freed up to play his preferred spot.

MiltownHawkeye · Post #739 » by **MiltownHawkeye** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 10:08 pm

Yeah that makes me feel a lot better about this whole deal. Now that I think about it, didn't his body language actually get noticeably worse after we traded for Bledsoe back in 2017? We weren't super worried about it at the time or anything but it was definitely noted by some people here. I could be falsely remembering that and FWIW I think he'd always be a professional no matter where he played, but we were definitely concerned about how Brogs would take it after the Bledsoe trade and maybe those chickens came home to roost.

TMG · Post #740 » by **TMG** » Tue Jul 2, 2019 10:29 pm

I can’t remember. But I do remember one game this year Brogdon had Bledsoe on the break for a wide open layup and instead he dribbled it straight past him and dunked it. People on here noticed it and thought it was maybe because of his charity, but you never know with these sorts of things.

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