Giannis Thread - 2 Time MVP - The Contract discussions

[Matches Malone]

What is happening in this thread? Is this hell?

[emunney]

What is happening in this thread? Is this hell?

STEPH ISN'T A GOOD SHOOTER HE IS MERELY A WARLOCK ANY WARLOCK COULD DO WHAT HE DOES

[neiLz]

For someone who gets constantly bailed out by the refs because all he does is drive to the lane and run over people, why is lebron 18th in the NBA in free throws attempted at 6 per game? Heck Giannis is 2nd at almost ten and ALL giannis does is drive to the lane. I'd love for Giannis to be like lebron and "happen" to lead the league in assist just because he has the ball.


In regards to players not getting calls there are a few that come to mind. Shaq could have attempted WAY more free throws if the refs called fouls but due to shaq's size and dominance those calls were rarely made because he was bigger and stronger than everyone. I've seen the same happen to Giannis where he powers through and doesn't get a call. Heck lebron is the same way, he is bigger, stronger than everyone and gets hacked a bunch. It wasn't until he started "flopping" that people got sick of him and started call him LeFlop.

[Ron Swanson]

Lebron took a far-and-away career high 1/3 of his shot attempts from behind the 3PT line this year and ranked 22nd in drives per game, which is probably why people rolled their eyes when the Lakers complained so much to the league that Lebron "wasn't getting enough calls".

Also, why the **** are we talking about Lebron in the Giannis thread?

[MiltownHawkeye]

I wish I could live in the world where Giannis could do no wrong and Lebron has a poor BBIQ and is only really good because of refs.

You do.

LeBron is definitely not a smart individual, nor a smart basketball player. He is a very good individual player, especially when he can go to the rim, run over a player and get a foul the majority of the time. That isnt BBIQ, nor is he a good passer, he's a volume passer like Giannis who has the ball in his hands an awful lot and by definition will just get assists arbitrarily.

When I think of BBIQ, i think of players like Stockton, Nash, Duncan, Kidd, Magic, Hakeem guys that can pass an engineer an offensive set or execute without referee bailouts, or execute a play other than a pick and roll. Driving into a bunch of people and draw a wild foul or kick it out and the player receiving the ball makes a good play on an average pass isnt BBIQ, it's athleticism.. skill.. NBA referee engineering.. and hype rolled into one.

That just isnt BBIQ to me. Could be an aggressive take, but the player that uses his athleticism and just happens into assists or gets bailed out by the refs isnt a smart player, IMO.

[soxperry]

BBIQ is a subjective term but whoever mentioned decision making got it right i think.

Also, i dont want to hear about Lebron's failures in the finals. At least he got his team there practically every season. We are still waiting for Giannis to do that once.

Im not saying Giannis isnt great im just saying hes not a Lebron.

[mke_design]

so now giannis' entire career will be measured by LeBron while LeBrons whole career was measured by Jordan.

[MrPerfect1]

BBIQ is a subjective term but whoever mentioned decision making got it right i think.

Also, i dont want to hear about Lebron's failures in the finals. At least he got his team there practically every season. We are still waiting for Giannis to do that once.

Im not saying Giannis isnt great im just saying hes not a Lebron.

Lebron has played with how many future HOF teammates? The only times he made the Finals without HOF teammates was when the East was the Weakest it has ever been in 60 years.

Giannis has had 0 HOF teammates. He is lucky to get even a fringe All Star teammate

[midranger]

As long as we’re talking about crazy stuff like taking Shaq number 1 in an all time nba redraft... where would Grant Hill go assuming he’s no more likely to get hurt than anyone else?

[emunney]

As long as we’re talking about crazy stuff like taking Shaq number 1 in an all time nba redraft... where would Grant Hill go assuming he’s no more likely to get hurt than anyone else?

Wherever Pippen goes, right on top of him.

[fansinceforever]

I wish I could live in the world where Giannis could do no wrong and Lebron has a poor BBIQ and is only really good because of refs.

You do.

LeBron is definitely not a smart individual, nor a smart basketball player. He is a very good individual player, especially when he can go to the rim, run over a player and get a foul the majority of the time. That isnt BBIQ, nor is he a good passer, he's a volume passer like Giannis who has the ball in his hands an awful lot and by definition will just get assists arbitrarily.

When I think of BBIQ, i think of players like Stockton, Nash, Duncan, Kidd, Magic, Hakeem guys that can pass an engineer an offensive set or execute without referee bailouts, or execute a play other than a pick and roll. Driving into a bunch of people and draw a wild foul or kick it out and the player receiving the ball makes a good play on an average pass isnt BBIQ, it's athleticism.. skill.. NBA referee engineering.. and hype rolled into one.

That just isnt BBIQ to me. Could be an aggressive take, but the player that uses his athleticism and just happens into assists or gets bailed out by the refs isnt a smart player, IMO.

Yeahhhh I'm trying to catch up but I may have to show myself out of this thread.

[Diggr14]

As long as we’re talking about crazy stuff like taking Shaq number 1 in an all time nba redraft... where would Grant Hill go assuming he’s no more likely to get hurt than anyone else?

HIll could have been a top 40 player all-time had they not let him ruin his career playing with injury like he did.

[giannis and 1]

Lebron has a high basketball IQ but average intelligence off the court. If that makes sense.

[midranger]

As long as we’re talking about crazy stuff like taking Shaq number 1 in an all time nba redraft... where would Grant Hill go assuming he’s no more likely to get hurt than anyone else?

Wherever Pippen goes, right on top of him.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought. Pippen. I was wondering if people had him rated on a higher tier given his stats in Detroit. They were elite. But never got the feeling he was a #1 on a great team. Amazing #2 though.

[emunney]

As long as we’re talking about crazy stuff like taking Shaq number 1 in an all time nba redraft... where would Grant Hill go assuming he’s no more likely to get hurt than anyone else?

Wherever Pippen goes, right on top of him.

Yeah, that’s exactly what I thought. Pippen. I was wondering if people had him rated on a higher tier given his stats in Detroit. They were elite. But never got the feeling he was a #1 on a great team. Amazing #2 though.

Would have been interesting to see how people perceived the T-Mac/Hill duo. Also that duo would have been just plain interesting.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Lebron has a high basketball IQ but average intelligence off the court. If that makes sense.

Considering he's a pro basketball player this is a good combination

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

i bunked next to hiII the summer of '89 at 5 star camp. i remember a pickup game with him and mashburn among others and reaIizing for the first time the nba wasnt going to be an option for me

[Jez2983]

Lebron has a high basketball IQ but average intelligence off the court. If that makes sense.

It probably looks that way as he has so much money he can literally do whatever he wants. I mean I got excited when my sons were born so I bought some Lego. Lebron just goes and buys the company. Or trademarks Taco Tuesday.

Also this thread has turned ridiculous. Lebron is like a basketball android, the all-time SF. Low BBIQ lol.

[rilamann]

We hear & see so much BS. I don't think Giannis is leaving Milwaukee, *unless his wife wants to. He seems pretty happy with his teammates & Bud. Then he got injured in the playoffs while they were bounced. Course he's not going to be happy with that part.

He's still the guy that came here 7 years ago, when he's joking around & having fun. I don't see that Giannis leaving Milwaukee because sports media moguls tells him it's the only way to be great & recognized.

I think it's a difficult situation to gauge.

I'm sure Giannis is genuine when it comes to the loyalty and gratitude towards the organization he has talked about since coming here. That said, it's not fun to lose. Eventually guys as competitive as Giannis want to win titles. If the organization can't put a better squad around him, eventually that competitive drive is going to outweigh any loyalty and gratitude.

At this point, I would almost consider Giannis loyal to a fault if he stays in Milwaukee. Based on the evidence over the past 2-3 years, it's pretty obvious that he would have to get extremely lucky to even win 1 championship here with this front office.

As a Bucks fan, of course I want him to stay in Milwaukee. But taking the emotion out of it and removing my Bucks bias, Giannis would be crazy to stay here if he is serious about winning championships and building a great legacy. And it has nothing to do with the Bucks being a small market team, it has everything to do with the fact the the Bucks don't have championship caliber people making the important decisions.

Sure, maybe if Giannis plays here for 15+ years you get that one season where everything falls your way and you get all the right match-ups in the playoffs and you dumb-luck to 1 championship due to Giannis' sheer greatness despite a bunch of morons in the front office, like the Packers did with Aaron Rodgers. But this front office isn't going to do much more than just ride Giannis' coattails to a bunch of 50+ win regular seasons if he stays here. I think at this point right now, that is pretty obvious.

[crkone]

We hear & see so much BS. I don't think Giannis is leaving Milwaukee, *unless his wife wants to. He seems pretty happy with his teammates & Bud. Then he got injured in the playoffs while they were bounced. Course he's not going to be happy with that part.

He's still the guy that came here 7 years ago, when he's joking around & having fun. I don't see that Giannis leaving Milwaukee because sports media moguls tells him it's the only way to be great & recognized.

I think it's a difficult situation to gauge.

I'm sure Giannis is genuine when it comes to the loyalty and gratitude towards the organization he has talked about since coming here. That said, it's not fun to lose. Eventually guys as competitive as Giannis want to win titles. If the organization can't put a better squad around him, eventually that competitive drive is going to outweigh any loyalty and gratitude.

At this point, I would almost consider Giannis loyal to a fault if he stays in Milwaukee. Based on the evidence over the past 2-3 years, it's pretty obvious that he would have to get extremely lucky to even win 1 championship here with this front office.

As a Bucks fan, of course I want him to stay in Milwaukee. But taking the emotion out of it and removing my Bucks bias, Giannis would be crazy to stay here if he is serious about winning championships and building a great legacy. And it has nothing to do with the Bucks being a small market team, it has everything to do with the fact the the Bucks don't have championship caliber people making the important decisions.

Sure, maybe if Giannis plays here for 15+ years you get that one season where everything falls your way and you get all the right match-ups in the playoffs and you dumb-luck to 1 championship due to Giannis' sheer greatness despite a bunch of morons in the front office, like the Packers did with Aaron Rodgers. But this front office isn't going to do much more than just ride Giannis' coattails to a bunch of 50+ win regular seasons if he stays here. I think at this point right now, that is pretty obvious.

I think him wanting to win a championship here is a pride thing. He doesn't want to be seen as a ring chaser. It's something he'd have to get over and he may be getting over it with having a family and needing to figure out what's best for them.