Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

machu46 · Post #741 » by **machu46** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:18 pm

Interesting wrinkle to add to the discussion. I asked Steve Kyler why we would take Jabari when Hammond usually swings for the fences. His response was because Jabari is safe and this:

@stevekylerNBA: .@melancer46: ---> we asked about a dozen or so NBA guys which player in the draft they'd want to play with, and almost all said Parker.

Swan Vox · Post #742 » by **Swan Vox** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:25 pm

I love this Grantland scouting article. Wish we could get Gardner to wake up from his nap and give us a similar one like McGinn does with the Packers. Doubt he has the connections Bob does though. Hard to make friends in the industry when you constantly find yourself in a field full of poppies dreaming about soccer...

SupremeHustle · Post #743 » by **SupremeHustle** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:25 pm

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bizarro · Post #744 » by **bizarro** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:37 pm

Swan Vox wrote:I love this Grantland scouting article. Wish we could get Gardner to wake up from his nap and give us a similar one like McGinn does with the Packers. Doubt he has the connections Bob does though. Hard to make friends in the industry when you constantly find yourself in a field full of poppies dreaming about soccer...

I personally found it confounding they focused on Randle instead of Exum. Other than that, it was nice to see validation for a lot of the views expressed on our board - What do we really make of Wiggins? How do you project Parker? Is he a safe pick or does he really have a lot of room to grow into a Pierce-like player? But, most importantly, these scouts really validated the Embiid touters amongst us. It's been clear for quite a number of months: If he's healthy it's his draft. Period. I've routinely found it nothing short of amazing such smart basketball people on our board refuse to see the fact actual pro personnel view him as a young player in the mold of Hakeem. And, it's also clear in that video he really has put on the muscle mass since his injury. He looked ripped.

mchase27 · Post #745 » by **mchase27** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:44 pm

bizarro wrote:
Swan Vox wrote:I love this Grantland scouting article. Wish we could get Gardner to wake up from his nap and give us a similar one like McGinn does with the Packers. Doubt he has the connections Bob does though. Hard to make friends in the industry when you constantly find yourself in a field full of poppies dreaming about soccer...

I personally found it confounding they focused on Randle instead of Exum. Other than that, it was nice to see validation for a lot of the views expressed on our board - What do we really make of Wiggins? How do you project Parker? Is he a safe pick or does he really have a lot of room to grow into a Pierce-like player? But, most importantly, these scouts really validated the Embiid touters amongst us. It's been clear for quite a number of months: If he's healthy it's his draft. Period. I've routinely found it nothing short of amazing such smart basketball people on our board refuse to see the fact actual pro personnel view him as a young player in the mold of Hakeem. And, it's also clear in that video he really has put on the muscle mass since his injury. He looked ripped.

This is why.

theFireBlanket · Post #746 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:46 pm

bizarro wrote:
Swan Vox wrote:I love this Grantland scouting article. Wish we could get Gardner to wake up from his nap and give us a similar one like McGinn does with the Packers. Doubt he has the connections Bob does though. Hard to make friends in the industry when you constantly find yourself in a field full of poppies dreaming about soccer...

I personally found it confounding they focused on Randle instead of Exum. Other than that, it was nice to see validation for a lot of the views expressed on our board - What do we really make of Wiggins? How do you project Parker? Is he a safe pick or does he really have a lot of room to grow into a Pierce-like player? But, most importantly, these scouts really validated the Embiid touters amongst us. It's been clear for quite a number of months: If he's healthy it's his draft. Period. I've routinely found it nothing short of amazing such smart basketball people on our board refuse to see the fact actual pro personnel view him as a young player in the mold of Hakeem. And, it's also clear in that video he really has put on the muscle mass since his injury. He looked ripped.

Maybe Simmons vetoed any Exum evaluation in hopes that he could help keep him shrouded in "mystery" and get those others players such as Randle in the considerations of teams like Orlando. He'd do anything to help his Celtics.

It's an NCAA thing, simply annoying.

bizarro · Post #747 » by **bizarro** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:47 pm

mchase27 wrote:
bizarro wrote:
Swan Vox wrote:I love this Grantland scouting article. Wish we could get Gardner to wake up from his nap and give us a similar one like McGinn does with the Packers. Doubt he has the connections Bob does though. Hard to make friends in the industry when you constantly find yourself in a field full of poppies dreaming about soccer...

I personally found it confounding they focused on Randle instead of Exum. Other than that, it was nice to see validation for a lot of the views expressed on our board - What do we really make of Wiggins? How do you project Parker? Is he a safe pick or does he really have a lot of room to grow into a Pierce-like player? But, most importantly, these scouts really validated the Embiid touters amongst us. It's been clear for quite a number of months: If he's healthy it's his draft. Period. I've routinely found it nothing short of amazing such smart basketball people on our board refuse to see the fact actual pro personnel view him as a young player in the mold of Hakeem. And, it's also clear in that video he really has put on the muscle mass since his injury. He looked ripped.

This is why.

This is why what? Care to elaborate? I'm curious.

jakecronus8 · Post #748 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:49 pm

Wise1 wrote:If Cleveland foolishly passes up on Embiid, the Bucks will snatch him up in a lightening strike. There is no indication that Embiid's back issues are season or career threatening. He's going first. Jabari will go second. The pressure will be on Philly to take Wiggins over Exum and others. Will they? I'm not so sure. Exum is probably a safer bet. If Philly is in love with Wiggins, the Bucks should send out Wiggins smokescreens until draft time and see if they can get the 3 and 10. Selected Wiggins and trade his rights to Philly for the 3 and 10 that is. The Bucks could still get their guy Parker at 3. If Philly doesn't bite, draft Parker and be content with the probable rookie of the year.

Prepare to be disappointed my friend. Everything about Wiggins screams Hammond pick. It'll be Wiggins or Exum.

bizarro · Post #749 » by **bizarro** » Sat May 24, 2014 2:50 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:
bizarro wrote:
Swan Vox wrote:I love this Grantland scouting article. Wish we could get Gardner to wake up from his nap and give us a similar one like McGinn does with the Packers. Doubt he has the connections Bob does though. Hard to make friends in the industry when you constantly find yourself in a field full of poppies dreaming about soccer...

I personally found it confounding they focused on Randle instead of Exum. Other than that, it was nice to see validation for a lot of the views expressed on our board - What do we really make of Wiggins? How do you project Parker? Is he a safe pick or does he really have a lot of room to grow into a Pierce-like player? But, most importantly, these scouts really validated the Embiid touters amongst us. It's been clear for quite a number of months: If he's healthy it's his draft. Period. I've routinely found it nothing short of amazing such smart basketball people on our board refuse to see the fact actual pro personnel view him as a young player in the mold of Hakeem. And, it's also clear in that video he really has put on the muscle mass since his injury. He looked ripped.

Maybe Simmons vetoed any Exum evaluation in hopes that he could help keep him shrouded in "mystery" and get those others players such as Randle in the considerations of teams like Orlando. He'd do anything to help his Celtics.

It's an NCAA thing, simply annoying.

And, it's quite annoying. Exum is the one player I would absolutely love to hear a roundtable scout's analysis. I've seen Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, and Randle and I know where I stand. I know the questions and their freshman year college tendencies. Of course, each player has room to grow. Right now, I'm extremely interested in learning about Parker's developments post-Duke. If the Bucks lean this way I want to support his continued ascent and improvements. But, beyond that, I am really hoping to get continued info on Exum.

KeyRabbit · Post #750 » by **KeyRabbit** » Sat May 24, 2014 3:10 pm

Swan Vox wrote:I love this Grantland scouting article. Wish we could get Gardner to wake up from his nap and give us a similar one like McGinn does with the Packers. Doubt he has the connections Bob does though. Hard to make friends in the industry when you constantly find yourself in a field full of poppies dreaming about soccer...

Aside from the fact that Gardner might be the last person in the world I'd want to provide McGinn-like insight, we'd all be sad to miss out on his timely, prescient articles like the one in today's JS where he breaks down all the angles from the draft lottery. From last Tuesday.

God I hope that the new owners simply strong-arm new and better media coverage. Or just set up their own systems.

White+Purple · Post #751 » by **White+Purple** » Sat May 24, 2014 3:10 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:If you think Embiid is Hakeem, you try to trade up for him.

Hammond said this week that most teams would be calling him to gauge the value of the #2 pick - stands to reason we'd call Cleveland about the #1 too.

If we think Embiid is healthy and is Hakeem and they don't, then even though the price would be high it would be worth it.

theFireBlanket · Post #752 » by **theFireBlanket** » Sat May 24, 2014 3:24 pm

bizarro wrote:And, it's quite annoying. Exum is the one player I would absolutely love to hear a roundtable scout's analysis. I've seen Wiggins, Parker, Embiid, and Randle and I know where I stand. I know the questions and their freshman year college tendencies. Of course, each player has room to grow. Right now, I'm extremely interested in learning about Parker's developments post-Duke. If the Bucks lean this way I want to support his continued ascent and improvements. But, beyond that, I am really hoping to get continued info on Exum.

At the combine the only two guys of the five on the panel to really excitedly talk about Exum were Ford and Fran, who had to combat the mentality that he shouldn't be above Smart or even in discussion of top picks, because he didn't play in the NCAA. And Fraschilla loves Marcus Smart.

*He seemed genuinely perturbed by Tom Penn's disregarding Exum as a prospect based on team's not having seen enough of him and use of the old "mystery" label.

mchase27 · Post #753 » by **mchase27** » Sat May 24, 2014 3:29 pm

Love how nobody will give a current player comparison on Embiid, can't help but think a more athletic Tyson Chandler?

VooDoo7 · Post #754 » by **VooDoo7** » Sat May 24, 2014 3:39 pm

DocHoliday wrote:[tweet]https://twitter.com/rodgerbohn/status/470016385167261696[/tweet]
for SH

Earlier in the season I said LaVine is gonna win some dunk contests in the NBA. He does stuff so effortlessly.

jakecronus8 · Post #755 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat May 24, 2014 3:47 pm

mchase27 wrote:Love how nobody will give a current player comparison on Embiid, can't help but think a more athletic Tyson Chandler?

Chandler was more of a pure athlete coming out. In fact that's a poor comparison. Chandler was/is as raw as it got/gets offensively. I think Embiid compares to a mix of Marc Gasol/Lamarcus Aldridge if he stays healthy. A damn good player to get at #1 but again the health is paramount.

Wise1 · Post #756 » by **Wise1** » Sat May 24, 2014 3:59 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:
Wise1 wrote:If Cleveland foolishly passes up on Embiid, the Bucks will snatch him up in a lightening strike. There is no indication that Embiid's back issues are season or career threatening. He's going first. Jabari will go second. The pressure will be on Philly to take Wiggins over Exum and others. Will they? I'm not so sure. Exum is probably a safer bet. If Philly is in love with Wiggins, the Bucks should send out Wiggins smokescreens until draft time and see if they can get the 3 and 10. Selected Wiggins and trade his rights to Philly for the 3 and 10 that is. The Bucks could still get their guy Parker at 3. If Philly doesn't bite, draft Parker and be content with the probable rookie of the year.

Prepare to be disappointed my friend. Everything about Wiggins screams Hammond pick. It'll be Wiggins or Exum.

Don't be fooled Jake. There is no "Hammond pick" to reference this high in the draft unless of course you're refereing to the mystery surrounding Darko Milicic. Of course you swing for the fences when you're picking in the middle of the draft. In top 5 territory, I think the mindset is less one of what you think the player will become and more of what you know the player already is and hopes he becomes. I think there's a slight paradigm shift the higher you pick in the draft. You can't afford to miss in the top 2. Missing that high makes your organization one of the historical poster children for draft futility...jobs can be lost.

In short, I think skills and ability probably hold more weight than potential at the very top of the draft. This is probably why those Grantland scouts were "down" on Wiggins relative to the other players at the top of the draft.

I in no way shape or form see the Bucks taking Wiggins over Embiid, Parker, or perhaps even Dante Exum.

jakecronus8 · Post #757 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat May 24, 2014 4:08 pm

Wise1 wrote:
jakecronus8 wrote:
Wise1 wrote:If Cleveland foolishly passes up on Embiid, the Bucks will snatch him up in a lightening strike. There is no indication that Embiid's back issues are season or career threatening. He's going first. Jabari will go second. The pressure will be on Philly to take Wiggins over Exum and others. Will they? I'm not so sure. Exum is probably a safer bet. If Philly is in love with Wiggins, the Bucks should send out Wiggins smokescreens until draft time and see if they can get the 3 and 10. Selected Wiggins and trade his rights to Philly for the 3 and 10 that is. The Bucks could still get their guy Parker at 3. If Philly doesn't bite, draft Parker and be content with the probable rookie of the year.

Prepare to be disappointed my friend. Everything about Wiggins screams Hammond pick. It'll be Wiggins or Exum.

Don't be fooled Jake. There is no "Hammond pick" to reference this high in the draft unless of course you're refereing to the mystery surrounding Darko Milicic. Of course you swing for the fences when you're picking in the middle of the draft. In top 5 territory, I think the mindset is less one of what you think the player will become and more of what you know the player already is and hopes he becomes. I think there's a slight paradigm shift the higher you pick in the draft. You can't afford to miss in the top 2. Missing that high makes your organization one of the historical poster children for draft futility...jobs can be lost.

In short, I think skills and ability probably hold more weight than potential at the very top of the draft. This is probably why those Grantland scouts were "down" on Wiggins relative to the other players at the top of the draft.

I in no way shape or form see the Bucks taking Wiggins over Embiid, Parker, or perhaps even Dante Exum.

We shall see but I believe history is on my side.

If the report that one of the owners (can't remember which) loves Parker, I could see us ending up with him but I doubt it as they've stated they'll let Hammond and the basketball minds make the pick.

ETA: it's very hard to take your draft posts regarding Wiggins with objectivity given your sig.

Wise1 · Post #758 » by **Wise1** » Sat May 24, 2014 4:12 pm

Another thing I consider if I'm in the Bucks war room is the fact that the brightest star on the current roster has a passive approach to the game on the offensive end. Giannis hasn't shown the willingness to demand the ball and take over games at this point. Do you really want to add another young player with that mindset to the mix or are you trying to draft a leader in that regard? If you do draft another player that is prone to defer, are you okay with Brandon Knight or some end of the line veteran being the dominant offensive personality on your team yet again? I would hope not.

Wise1 · Post #759 » by **Wise1** » Sat May 24, 2014 4:17 pm

Haha. Jake, Ignore the sig. I'm a Bucks fan. I have nothing against any of these guys personally, I just want what I think is best for the team. I'll be happy with Wiggins if he is the pick. I just think there are 2-4 guys that could potentially give us more.

jakecronus8 · Post #760 » by **jakecronus8** » Sat May 24, 2014 4:18 pm

Wise1 wrote:Another thing I consider if I'm in the Bucks war room is the fact that the brightest star on the current roster has a passive approach to the game on the offensive end. Giannis hasn't shown the willingness to demand the ball and take over games at this point. Do you really want to add another young player with that mindset to the mix or are you trying to draft a leader in that regard? If you do draft another player that is prone to defer, are you okay with Brandon Knight or some end of the line veteran being the dominant offensive personality on your team yet again? I would hope not.

TMac and Kobe are two guys off the bat who were passive entering the league. That can develop.

I could understand the Wiggins hate if he was being considered #1 with a Giannis like background and nothing to back him. The fact is, he averaged a very efficient 17ppg for a loaded Kansas squad as a frosh, was one of the best defenders in all off college basketball, and is the best athlete from the wing spot we've seen come into the league since Lebron. Call me crazy but that's enough for me to take number one.