Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

emunney · Post #761 » by **emunney** » Sun Jul 5, 2020 3:59 pm

Why would Terry be a lock to be gone? Are there a lot of 6-1 guys with shaky ball control and very little defense playing significant roles in the NBA? If it's just about shooting, why not Markus Howard?

LuessiT · Post #762 » by **LuessiT** » Sun Jul 5, 2020 4:33 pm

emunney wrote:Why would Terry be a lock to be gone? Are there a lot of 6-1 guys with shaky ball control and very little defense playing significant roles in the NBA? If it's just about shooting, why not Markus Howard?

Not a lock, just my gut feeling. Markus Howard will also go a lot higher than where he is mocked.

drdrG · Post #763 » by **drdrG** » Sun Jul 5, 2020 5:15 pm

emunney wrote:Why would Terry be a lock to be gone? Are there a lot of 6-1 guys with shaky ball control and very little defense playing significant roles in the NBA? If it's just about shooting, why not Markus Howard?

I don't think it's just about shooting. Howard doesn't seem to involve his teammates, generously he's 5'11 and he's older. I'm surprised you think Terry has shaky ball control. I didn't get that impression. You're definitely right on the defense though. I would say that 6'1-6'3, elite shooter, average to poor defense, awesome handling sounds like Steph, Trae young and Kyrie. I agree with you but just changing ball handling gets you to multiple all-stars, MVPs and champions.

BucksFanSD · Post #764 » by **BucksFanSD** » Sun Jul 5, 2020 6:24 pm

I think Kira Lewis will be gone, with Terry and Pokuševski likely to be available. That depends on where we pick though. We could pick 18 or 24. Philly I could see taking Terry and could leap frog us. They need elite shooting badly.

BucksFanSD · Post #765 » by **BucksFanSD** » Sun Jul 5, 2020 6:24 pm

I think this describes exactly what we need. From The Athletic-

Terry shot 50 percent on catch-and-shoot jumpers and 57.9 percent on off-screen jumpers, per Synergy. He has deep range with a lightning-quick release, and made 89.1 percent of his free throws this past season. While he’ll never offer much upside as an off-the-dribble playmaker, he’s a capable decision-maker who’s able to make reads on the move. He can fulfill the table-setting aspects of being a point guard, if needed.

The one thing that is clear: Terry is an elite shooter. I would argue he has a case as the best shooter in this draft. He hit 40.8 percent from 3 from a variety of situations, then also hit over 89 percent from the foul line. When you watch him shoot, he has crisp, clean mechanics that will translate well to the next level. He can hit shots on the move coming off of screens, off of pull-ups, or directly off the catch in spot-ups.

Terry is also a high-IQ passer and ball-mover. He only averaged about three assists per game, but watch his tape and you’ll see a lot of hockey assists. Then pull up his AAU tape with D1 Minnesota and you’ll find he was second on the Adidas circuit in assists per game.

Here is the surprising thing, though: despite being undersized, Terry is also an awesome finisher around the basket. Out of the 49 players to take at least 50 shots at the rim in halfcourt settings this year in the Pac-12, Terry finished 13th in efficiency, making 61.5 percent of those shots according to Synergy. For reference, that was slightly better than fellow NBA Draft early entrants Zeke Nnaji and Isaiah Stewart, two true big men who came in 14th and 15th respectively. Terry definitely picks his spots. But when he gets there, he’s efficient.

We need guys that make it so the opponent can't afford to go double team Giannis. Terry is that sniper from the outside and can assist in table setting the offense and make high IQ decisions on the move.

Badgerlander · Post #766 » by **Badgerlander** » Mon Jul 6, 2020 11:24 pm

emunney wrote:Why would Terry be a lock to be gone? Are there a lot of 6-1 guys with shaky ball control and very little defense playing significant roles in the NBA? If it's just about shooting, why not Markus Howard?

I don’t think that Terry is a lock to go before us but seems to be getting buzz in the 15 range, could be smoke though

RiotPunch · Post #767 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 8:20 pm

emunney wrote:Why would Terry be a lock to be gone? Are there a lot of 6-1 guys with shaky ball control and very little defense playing significant roles in the NBA? If it's just about shooting, why not Markus Howard?

Or Malachi or Winston or Crutcher? Terry shows promise as a passer and is a pretty amazing finisher considering he's built like a sophomore in high school. He tries hard on D too, but I think his frame is too damning, very much like Nico Mannion for me, who I have as a 2nd rounder.

I personally would draft Malachi over Terry, straight up. Length also hurts him, but he's strong enough to not be a net negative on D, can stroke it from deep, and is the best PnR maestro in the class not named LaMelo.

drdrG · Post #768 » by **drdrG** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 8:42 pm

RiotPunch wrote: Or Malachi or Winston or Crutcher? Terry shows promise as a passer and is a pretty amazing finisher considering he's built like a sophomore in high school. He tries hard on D too, but I think his frame is too damning, very much like Nico Mannion for me, who I have as a 2nd rounder.

I personally would draft Malachi over Terry, straight up. Length also hurts him, but he's strong enough to not be a net negative on D, can stroke it from deep, and is the best PnR maestro in the class not named LaMelo.

Honestly had not heard of Malachi Flynn and had to watch a quick video and look up some stats. He reminds me of FVV and think he would be a fantastic piece that would help right away, based on my 10 minutes of highlight video viewing lol. I keep hearing this is a poor draft class but it seems like smart FO's will be able to find a lot of value in this draft, especially in the backcourt.

RiotPunch · Post #769 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 8:49 pm

drdrG wrote:
RiotPunch wrote: Or Malachi or Winston or Crutcher? Terry shows promise as a passer and is a pretty amazing finisher considering he's built like a sophomore in high school. He tries hard on D too, but I think his frame is too damning, very much like Nico Mannion for me, who I have as a 2nd rounder.

I personally would draft Malachi over Terry, straight up. Length also hurts him, but he's strong enough to not be a net negative on D, can stroke it from deep, and is the best PnR maestro in the class not named LaMelo.

Honestly had not heard of Malachi Flynn and had to watch a quick video and look up some stats. He reminds me of FVV and think he would be a fantastic piece that would help right away, based on my 10 minutes of highlight video viewing lol. I keep hearing this is a poor draft class but it seems like smart FO's will be able to find a lot of value in this draft, especially in the backcourt.

It's lacking in dynamic star talent of the jumbo-creator ilk, but I think it is rich and deep with rotation value. Definitely some FVV to Malachi's game, and he's like blue-collar man's CP3 out of the PnR. I just love him so much.

Grant Riller is another guard that I'd take comfortably over Terry, but he's got a different bag of goodies.

M-C-G · Post #770 » by **M-C-G** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 9:50 pm

I'd like to post a question, if I use https://nbadraft.theringer.com/ big board, which prospect after 18;
1. Adds the most wins on a rookie contract to the Bucks?
2. Is the most likely to be an all star at some point in their career?
3. Who would you take if you were making the pick?

drdrG · Post #771 » by **drdrG** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 10:21 pm

RiotPunch wrote: It's lacking in dynamic star talent of the jumbo-creator ilk, but I think it is rich and deep with rotation value. Definitely some FVV to Malachi's game, and he's like blue-collar man's CP3 out of the PnR. I just love him so much.

Grant Riller is another guard that I'd take comfortably over Terry, but he's got a different bag of goodies.

I don't like Riller as much. I think the Bucks are an awesome team that are lacking a few things:

1) I think we don't have much explosive athleticism in the frontcourt ala Jerami Grant, Montrezl Harrell which would give us a different dimension defensively and in bench lineups.
2) I think Bledsoe is great individually, especially on defense but to my eye the team is just better when George Hill is running the offense. He's smart and unselfish and plays his role. He's grease to the machine. I think the Bucks would go to a different level if our lead ball handler could shoot really well and optimize the offense without being high usage.

Riller to me is an advanced scorer but doesn't improve the flow of the offense as much as Terry and now that you've pointed him out, Flynn.

Sorry for the long post but having a really good team with a defined system is a huge advantage for FO's because you can identify specific skill sets necessary for your team. Based on DDV, I trust the FO to hit on this pick.

RiotPunch · Post #772 » by **RiotPunch** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 10:32 pm

M-C-G wrote:I'd like to post a question, if I use https://nbadraft.theringer.com/ big board, which prospect after 18;
1. Adds the most wins on a rookie contract to the Bucks?
2. Is the most likely to be an all star at some point in their career?
3. Who would you take if you were making the pick?

KOC and I differ on Patrick Williams so much that he would probably be the answer to all three for me.

1. He is already an instinctive defender with an NBA-ready body, despite still being 18. (Alternate answer: Bane)
2. He has flashed off-dribble shooting & self-creation, and with the right strength & conditioning team should be able to trim down those quads so he can hang better on the perimeter defensively. Lots of untapped potential. (Alternate answer: Bolmaro)
3. PatWill is a Top-10 prospect for me this year, though I would consider Riller, Bolmaro, Bane, Flynn, and Green. That would be a pretty nice board at 19. (Alternate answer: Riller)

drdrG · Post #773 » by **drdrG** » Tue Jul 7, 2020 10:54 pm

M-C-G wrote:I'd like to post a question, if I use https://nbadraft.theringer.com/ big board, which prospect after 18;
1. Adds the most wins on a rookie contract to the Bucks?
2. Is the most likely to be an all star at some point in their career?
3. Who would you take if you were making the pick?

Sorry, very much like RiotPunch

1. Patrick Williams, Robert Woodard, Malachi Flynn
2. Patrick Williams, Grant Riller
3. Patrick Williams, Malachi Flynn
- I was surprised to see Tyrell Terry so high but I guess KOC and I agree

Post #774 » by **Ruzious** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 10:18 am

drdrG wrote:
RiotPunch wrote: It's lacking in dynamic star talent of the jumbo-creator ilk, but I think it is rich and deep with rotation value. Definitely some FVV to Malachi's game, and he's like blue-collar man's CP3 out of the PnR. I just love him so much.

Grant Riller is another guard that I'd take comfortably over Terry, but he's got a different bag of goodies.

I don't like Riller as much. I think the Bucks are an awesome team that are lacking a few things:

1) I think we don't have much explosive athleticism in the frontcourt ala Jerami Grant, Montrezl Harrell which would give us a different dimension defensively and in bench lineups.
2) I think Bledsoe is great individually, especially on defense but to my eye the team is just better when George Hill is running the offense. He's smart and unselfish and plays his role. He's grease to the machine. I think the Bucks would go to a different level if our lead ball handler could shoot really well and optimize the offense without being high usage.

Riller to me is an advanced scorer but doesn't improve the flow of the offense as much as Terry and now that you've pointed him out, Flynn.

Sorry for the long post but having a really good team with a defined system is a huge advantage for FO's because you can identify specific skill sets necessary for your team. Based on DDV, I trust the FO to hit on this pick.

I like Riller, because it's always a good thing to have a player come off the bench who can create his own offense. That's also a skill you want at the end of a close game. Lou Williams is the classic example. But... Riller's old - already 23 and will turn 24 as a rookie - that might push him to the second round.

I know some love Patrick Williams, but I think he's too raw on offense to contribute as a rookie, and I think we should be looking for someone who can contribute as a rookie. I even think Poku - as thin as he is - might be more NBA ready than Williams. Jalen Smith may not have as high an upside, but he's gotten underrated and could provide some nice depth and versatility fitting with Giannis.

machu46 · Post #775 » by **machu46** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 11:26 am

M-C-G wrote:I'd like to post a question, if I use https://nbadraft.theringer.com/ big board, which prospect after 18;
1. Adds the most wins on a rookie contract to the Bucks?
2. Is the most likely to be an all star at some point in their career?
3. Who would you take if you were making the pick?

My much less informed than usual opinion is the guys 19 and below that stand out to me so far are Maledon, Woodard, Winston, and Achiuwa

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M-C-G · Post #776 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 2:49 pm

RiotPunch wrote:
M-C-G wrote:I'd like to post a question, if I use https://nbadraft.theringer.com/ big board, which prospect after 18;
1. Adds the most wins on a rookie contract to the Bucks?
2. Is the most likely to be an all star at some point in their career?
3. Who would you take if you were making the pick?

KOC and I differ on Patrick Williams so much that he would probably be the answer to all three for me.

1. He is already an instinctive defender with an NBA-ready body, despite still being 18. (Alternate answer: Bane)
2. He has flashed off-dribble shooting & self-creation, and with the right strength & conditioning team should be able to trim down those quads so he can hang better on the perimeter defensively. Lots of untapped potential. (Alternate answer: Bolmaro)
3. PatWill is a Top-10 prospect for me this year, though I would consider Riller, Bolmaro, Bane, Flynn, and Green. That would be a pretty nice board at 19. (Alternate answer: Riller)

What’s funny, I started to answer the question and I kept putting down Patrick Williams and thought I should diversify.

So
1. Bane
2. P Will
3. P Will, Bane

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Ron Swanson · Post #777 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 4:07 pm

I think anyone who expects Bane to be anything more than a catch & shoot guy on offense is gonna be sorely disappointed.

M-C-G · Post #778 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 5:26 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I think anyone who expects Bane to be anything more than a catch & shoot guy on offense is gonna be sorely disappointed.

Shooter that can play defense, kind of groom him into the Korver role. That has real value.

emunney · Post #779 » by **emunney** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 6:03 pm

1. Saddiq Bey
2. Maledon
3. Maledon

LuessiT · Post #780 » by **LuessiT** » Wed Jul 8, 2020 6:08 pm

M-C-G wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:I think anyone who expects Bane to be anything more than a catch & shoot guy on offense is gonna be sorely disappointed.

Shooter that can play defense, kind of groom him into the Korver role. That has real value.

It kind of doesn't. Not particularly about Bane, but coming out of college even the best shooters usually don't shoot high percentages in the NBA in their first years. And if guys like Sterling Brown with a somewhat similar pedigree are available for minimum deals (at least that's what I'm assuming Brown is heading towards), using a medium FRP on just a C&S guy with some defense is not where you want to be.