ImageImage

#24 - MarJon Beauchamp - NEW POLL ADDED 12/4/23

Moderators: paulpressey25, MickeyDavis

One Year Grade

A
0
No votes
B
3
8%
C
22
61%
D
11
31%
 
Total votes: 36

User avatar
CharityStripe34
General Manager
Posts: 9,690
And1: 6,510
Joined: Dec 01, 2014
     

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#761 » by CharityStripe34 » Fri Jul 15, 2022 1:27 pm

DrWood wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:His handle is fine for what he'll be asked to do on the main roster, which is basically just be able to put it on the floor attacking closeouts. I'd just tell him to work on his pump fake.

can he handle the ball in transition? that skill will make a big difference in his value.


He runs the floor well and can fill the lane, I imagine he is fine making the right/skip pass in transition.
"Wes, Hill, Ibaka, Allen, Nwora, Brook, Pat, Ingles, Khris are all slow-mo, injury prone ... a sandcastle waiting for playoff wave to get wrecked. A castle with no long-range archers... is destined to fall. That is all I have to say."-- FOTIS
User avatar
Dick Tate
Analyst
Posts: 3,449
And1: 3,001
Joined: Aug 17, 2006

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#762 » by Dick Tate » Fri Jul 15, 2022 2:48 pm

Shaffty wrote:I really think we got a lotto talent at 24 because of covid

Basketball gods compensation for losing a title to covid?
Shaffty
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,243
And1: 4,445
Joined: Aug 03, 2014

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#763 » by Shaffty » Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:25 pm

Dick Tate wrote:
Shaffty wrote:I really think we got a lotto talent at 24 because of covid

Basketball gods compensation for losing a title to covid?
Basketball gods rewarding marjon for his hard work and accepting his role.

Sent from my SM-F711U using RealGM mobile app
User avatar
M-C-G
RealGM
Posts: 23,527
And1: 9,854
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
     

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#764 » by M-C-G » Fri Jul 15, 2022 3:45 pm

Through four games so far;

MP: 28
PPG: 14.3
FG% 45%
3P% 43% on 5.8 attempt per game
AST: 2
REB: 4
TO: 2.5
STL: .8
BLK: .8 ( I will add I think he had two blocks that he didn't get credit for because someone else fouled the guy)
PF: 3.5
+/-: +8

If he can be a good team defender that can hit the corner three this year, I think he has some really positive value. I don't have any shooting chart, but it seems like he has hit a very high % of those corner threes. I can honestly see him getting much stronger and more explosive and really being a really good player as early next season.
User avatar
paulpressey25
Senior Mod - Bucks
Senior Mod - Bucks
Posts: 62,829
And1: 30,091
Joined: Oct 27, 2002
     

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#765 » by paulpressey25 » Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:54 pm

Shaffty wrote:I really think we got a lotto talent at 24 because of covid


Don’t see his ceiling as what a lotto picks ceiling is. There we’re talking about 20ppg type guys or all-star ceilings, even though most never reach that.

That said, from SL he clearly looks like he’ll be our best draft pick since Brogdon in 2016. Think his contribution ability will fit somewhere between the spectrum of Mbah a Moute (floor) to Brogdon (ceiling).
In depth discussions here - shorter stuff on Twitter

https://twitter.com/paulpressey25
User avatar
M-C-G
RealGM
Posts: 23,527
And1: 9,854
Joined: Jan 13, 2013
     

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#766 » by M-C-G » Sat Jul 16, 2022 5:01 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Shaffty wrote:I really think we got a lotto talent at 24 because of covid


Don’t see his ceiling as what a lotto picks ceiling is. There we’re talking about 20ppg type guys or all-star ceilings, even though most never reach that.

That said, from SL he clearly looks like he’ll be our best draft pick since Brogdon in 2016. Think his contribution ability will fit somewhere between the spectrum of Mbah a Moute (floor) to Brogdon (ceiling).


What’s interesting is him putting nearly 15 ppg in SL with most of his points coming from him off ball. They’ve run some action for him but it has probably resulted in as many TO as points. That’s really promising, given he has at best been a third option on offense so far. If he can be a 10/3/2 type rookie that also gets you a s many steals and blocks as turnovers, I think that is a big win. But obviously going to require good corner 3 production, I think that is his sweet spot this year.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk
User avatar
raferfenix
RealGM
Posts: 24,267
And1: 4,585
Joined: Apr 05, 2003

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#767 » by raferfenix » Sun Jul 17, 2022 11:02 pm

Read on Twitter
ShootingtheJ
RealGM
Posts: 11,861
And1: 7,482
Joined: Jun 20, 2010

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#768 » by ShootingtheJ » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:00 am

There was so much unfounded consternation about Marjon's ability to shoot the 3. He just finished SL shooting 46% from 3.
Fotis St
General Manager
Posts: 9,447
And1: 3,143
Joined: May 05, 2015

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#769 » by Fotis St » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:49 am

My concern is that we have alot of spare minutes at the SG position and it seems like he is SF. I think he is too slow to play the 2.
Would like to see him against NBA guards for further evaluation. If he is a 3 then how many minutes will he get with Khris and Pat ?
If he can guard both the 2 and the 3 then he can help us come playoffs if he shoots wide open 3s well.
TroyD92
RealGM
Posts: 23,741
And1: 11,396
Joined: Mar 28, 2013
Location: Renewed Hope
 

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#770 » by TroyD92 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 2:58 am

Fotis St wrote:My concern is that we have alot of spare minutes at the SG position and it seems like he is SF. I think he is too slow to play the 2.
Would like to see him against NBA guards for further evaluation. If he is a 3 then how many minutes will he get with Khris and Pat ?
If he can guard both the 2 and the 3 then he can help us come playoffs if he shoots wide open 3s well.


He's a guard for sure. Can probably play some forward put probably too small right now
VooDoo7 wrote:
JEIS wrote:

Kidd would have curb stomped him.

Maybe if his name was Denise instead of Dennis.


Fotis St wrote:Wherever you are David, I love you man.
User avatar
GoldenAntlers
RealGM
Posts: 10,816
And1: 5,425
Joined: Feb 13, 2013
 

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#771 » by GoldenAntlers » Mon Jul 18, 2022 12:43 pm

raferfenix wrote:
Read on Twitter
Someone link the SoundCloud.
"Silence is a source of great strength." - Lao Tzu
User avatar
CharityStripe34
General Manager
Posts: 9,690
And1: 6,510
Joined: Dec 01, 2014
     

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#772 » by CharityStripe34 » Mon Jul 18, 2022 1:08 pm

Beauchamp can play the 2, he's gonna have to add 10-15lbs of muscle/core strength to be able to guard 3's or bigger wings. He's only 21 so he shouldn't have an issue improving his athleticism.
"Wes, Hill, Ibaka, Allen, Nwora, Brook, Pat, Ingles, Khris are all slow-mo, injury prone ... a sandcastle waiting for playoff wave to get wrecked. A castle with no long-range archers... is destined to fall. That is all I have to say."-- FOTIS
User avatar
Brewhoopfan
Starter
Posts: 2,001
And1: 2,128
Joined: Nov 20, 2017
 

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#773 » by Brewhoopfan » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:07 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:Beauchamp can play the 2, he's gonna have to add 10-15lbs of muscle/core strength to be able to guard 3's or bigger wings. He's only 21 so he shouldn't have an issue improving his athleticism.


Adding strength is a given. There really isn't a standard physical profile for any position at this point, and each night will offer a new scenario for who Marjon can guard effectively. The appeal of his size/speed combination is there are likely few guys where he is an obvious physical mis-match. In time, if not already, he'll be plenty switchable.

I was very skeptical, but his SL performance, especially the 3 pt shooting, shows promise for him to effectively fill a role this season. Can't ask for much more from pick 24.
User avatar
emunney
RealGM
Posts: 63,147
And1: 41,686
Joined: Feb 22, 2005
Location: where takes go to be pampered

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#774 » by emunney » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:11 pm

I think Nwora playing almost 1200 minutes last year is a pretty good benchmark for how much we should expect to see MJB this year.
Here are more legal notices regarding the Posts
User avatar
crkone
RealGM
Posts: 29,209
And1: 9,789
Joined: Aug 16, 2006

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#775 » by crkone » Mon Jul 18, 2022 4:12 pm

If he learns to take a charge, his low weight may actually help sell that.

Code: Select all

o- - -  \o          __|
   o/   /|          vv`\
  /|     |              |
   |    / \_            |
  / \   |               |
 /  |                   |
User avatar
RiotPunch
RealGM
Posts: 27,933
And1: 18,289
Joined: Jul 05, 2009
Location: LA
     

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#776 » by RiotPunch » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:17 pm

CharityStripe34 wrote:Beauchamp can play the 2, he's gonna have to add 10-15lbs of muscle/core strength to be able to guard 3's or bigger wings. He's only 21 so he shouldn't have an issue improving his athleticism.

His frame is begging him to tack on mass. He's gonna be a big, strong mfer. Just needs to maintain his lateral quickness and he can guard 2-4.
#FreeChuckDiesel
Bucksmaniac wrote:I'm sorry, but I'm starting to sour on Giannis
User avatar
Ron Swanson
RealGM
Posts: 26,108
And1: 30,113
Joined: May 15, 2013

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#777 » by Ron Swanson » Mon Jul 18, 2022 5:31 pm

Yeah idk if it'll actually happen, but he's got the prototype "broad shoulders" frame to add a bunch of muscle if he locks himself in the gym with Giannis & Thanasis for an entire summer. If he's already 200+ then he certainly doesn't look it.
fan230
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,011
And1: 1,692
Joined: Jul 29, 2013

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#778 » by fan230 » Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:41 am

My preference was for the Bucks to draft Nikola Jovic. I feel he has a real high upside offensively. I feel less enthusiastic about mjb.
User avatar
Pachinko_
RealGM
Posts: 20,693
And1: 23,985
Joined: Jun 13, 2016
 

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#779 » by Pachinko_ » Tue Jul 19, 2022 5:51 am

Ron Swanson wrote:Gobert and Siakam were the 27th pick in weak drafts. Jimmy Butler was 30th. Dejuante Murray was 29th. Maybe he won't be any of those guys and just a solid role-player, but I don't know why we always put ceilings on guys based solely on draft slot.

Delusions of draft accuracy
And it is hard to tell someone whose favourite hobby (or even his job) is the draft that it's all a glorified crapshoot anyway. I mean you'll see those guys, even years later when it was clear the draft selections were upside down, they will still say "it was a reasonable decision at the time because blah blah" instead of simply saying "ok it was wrong".

And it's not a problem when it's just draft nerds on the internet. The problem is when it's team execs, because then it sometimes becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy because they give their top picks more opportunities/attention/PT/usage in an effort to prove their investment was right.
User avatar
AussieBuck
RealGM
Posts: 42,369
And1: 20,887
Joined: May 10, 2006
Location: Bucks in 7?
 

Re: #24 - MarJon Beauchamp - Poll Added 

Post#780 » by AussieBuck » Tue Jul 19, 2022 8:00 am

Giving this pick an A on review.
emunney wrote:
We need a man shaped like a chicken nugget with the shot selection of a 21st birthday party.


GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
if you combined jabari parker, royal ivey, a shrimp and a ball sack youd have javon carter

Return to Milwaukee Bucks