The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[Chapter29]

I was all about fawning over Jabari rehab videos after the 1st ACL tear. But it's just really hard to talk myself into it again. Even if he comes back just as explosive (which would be unprecedented), I just don't know how you trust his knee anymore. The re-injury risk is always gonna be there.

I bet it will be unprecedented then. Dude looks explosive as ever.

I am very excited to get him back....just fearful of re-injury.

[sidney lanier]

I have kids and a dog. While my kids were at school today, my dog **** in the house and I didn't see it, resulting in my bare foot stepping directly in dog ****.

Neither I nor my kids throw the dog **** at the wall, though.

You should ground your kids. Had they thrown it at the wall there was a better chance of you seeing it and a 100% chance you wouldn't have stepped in it.

Or since you had already stepped in it, if your floors are carpeted you should've really worked your foot in and then when it's sufficiently deep in the carpet, make the kids clean it.

Just following up on this topic with you guys. I had an older dog a couple years ago that had to be put down and I lost control Of some of the nerves traveling to the backend. That means that she would crap on the carpet every once in a while while we were gone. Unfortunately one day she crapped right before our rumba turned on and made a modern art masterpiece of our entire living room carpeting

See. You were just flat out wrong not to trade that dog when it was a puppy.

[averageposter]

Did the dog ever pen any letters?

[Douggystyle29]

This is an interesting group of posters. First and foremost I enjoy reading all of your posts, even if I don't agree with your opinions. This place is supposed to be fun and thought provoking and it is just that and more. Some of you should get paid for your posts they are that good. They keep traffic coming to this website.

However, when it comes to Jabari Parker and the best interests of the Bucks future a large amount of you are just flat out wrong. Many of the same users have been gung ho about Jabari since the day the Bucks drafted him and I get that. However the red flags started with Jabari when he came into training camp. The whole weight/conditioning issue was a real issue. The posters who suggested we trade him early on were right period...How much better would this team be with the likes of Cousins, Drummond, Porter/Gortat? Keep in mind if we made those deals early on we wouldn't have signed Monroe to 18 Million per year and could have used that money to add a top tier point guard instead.

Then the injury came and the season was done. The rehab and time Jabari missed kind of hand cuffed the Bucks front office during the following off-season. The team had to plan around Jabari coming back and being healthy. They could not make any major moves. Jabari came back. His offense was greatly improved. His defense was about the same as before, not good. His cardio vascular conditioning still wasn't what it should be for a player who plays offense with such force and power. He attacks the rim with vengeance. Its fun to watch but dangerous when you are playing with tired legs and short on oxygen.

Before he got injured for the second time. Some posters suggested we trade him for Damien Lillard. The majority of the pro Jabari crowd crucified those who thought it was a good idea. Lillard only went on to post 27pt--5rb--6asst while getting to the line over 7 times a game at only 26 years old. Lillard over that past two season has put his team on his back and dragged his team to the playoffs in the stacked western conference. What do you think the result would have been if he was playing for us against Toronto? Those who said this was a terrible idea were wrong Period....

Later that same year before Jabari got injured, there was another debate. It was suggested and rumored by the media that we trade Jabari and Monroe to Boston for Avery Bradley, Jae Crowder. Again many of pro Jabari crowd said this was an awful idea. They said you don't trade a potential superstar for some spare parts. Does anyone think we lose to Toronto if those two Shooters who play good defense were on this team? Of course not. Avery Bradley was 26 at the time. Bradley has went on to turn the Pistons into a good team. The Pistons are 8-3 and have the forth best record in the league with a win at Golden State. They have essentially the same team they had last year with Bradley replacing Kentavious Caldwell-Pope. Avery sucks though. Crowder was only 26 and had a super cap friendly deal. Crowder put up 14pg--5rb-2asst-1st and hit 40% of his 3 point shots. Crowder is considered to be a very good defender. The deal never went down and off course we all know what happened next.

Jabari now injures the same knee and is out for a year. The Bucks lose a heartbreaking series and we are once again hand-cuffed in the off-season.

Now 2017 rolls around, Jabari after saying he loves Milwaukee, love his teammates and even wants to raise his family here does a complete 180 and demands a near max contract extension. He DOES NOT offer the Bucks a player option for the first two years in the chance he does not recover or play at a high level. What player who loves everything about Milwaukee and the Bucks puts his team in such a dubious position?

The Bucks have had a rocky start to the season. Giannis is performing beyond anyone's expectations and is a REAL MVP candidate. Brogdon has shown improvement,Snell is hitting 53% of his three pointers and Teletovic is hitting 46% of his 3 pointers. This sounds great but it isn't leading to wins. The team can't rebound or play interior defense at all. The team defense is a mess. The Bucks make a trade for Bledsoe. This may go down as one of the biggest trade steals the Bucks ever engineered. We now have another dynamic player who can create his own shot, break down the defense, and hit open shooters. He was a very good defender in the past and might return to that form now that he is playing on a team that has a chance to make some real noise in the playoffs.

However, the Bledsoe trade will only make the Bucks marginally better if we don't address our rebounding and interior defense. Thon and Henson combine for like 6 rebounds a game. Both of these guys are 7' and with massive wingspans. We all know Henson shows up and plays a decent game about every 5 games. Thon is still a work in progress. So while we improved our offense we two a major step back on defense and on the boards. We beat Cleveland if Kevin love isn't allowed to stroll on in for easy put backs. This will happen over and over. It also will lead to Giannis being in foul trouble often. You don't win a large percentage of your games or a Championships if you don't play defense and you don't take care of the boards. Cleveland is scoring a ton of points with a high efficiency and still losing to teams like a short handed Atlanta team. Everyone talks about Golden States offense but it is their defense which makes them Champions.

So the next crossroads is coming for the Bucks. I, and a few others think you trade Jabari now and get a PF/C or both who are efficient rebounders and defenders. We have plenty of scoring with the addition of Bledsoe. If we structure the deal right we can offload Delly and Henson at the same time giving the team flexibility in the near future. If we make a move like this and get the right guys we can truly compete for the Eastern Conference Title this season and next. If we do nothing we will again be fighting for the 6th seed at best.

So far myself and few other posters have been right. We advocated moving Jabari on more than 3 occasions. It didn't happen and with each injury Jabari's value as an asset has plummeted. This is our last shot before we head into uncharted waters. If we sign him to a long term mega deal and he goes down again we are stuck. Who in their right mind would advocate for such a risky idea? I am not here to toot my own horn. I don't need that type of attention. I have been watching the Bucks for over 30 years and I have never seen an opportunity like we have now. We cannot mess this up.

For those who have been in the Jabari camp since day one and keep overlooking the obvious issues, consider this analogy. You car is broken and wont start. You take it to a mechanic and he thinks he knows what the problem is. You tell him to go ahead and fix it. $500 later you find out the problem he fixed did not help. He then tells you it something else. You agree to let him fix that as well. Another $300 later it is still not fixed. He again, now says he is sure he has pinpointed the problem and he can fix it for just $200 more. You reluctantly agree. You come back and the car still wont run. He now tells you that you need to replace the engine and its going to cost $2,000.00. He say he WILL NOT warranty the engine either. Who in their right mind would pay the $2,000? NO ONE. So why are all you basketball geniuses suggesting the BUCKS do basically the same thing?

This is my last post on this subject period. I hope for the sake of yours and my future Bucks Fandom that we do not buy that engine. Take care and be kind to your neighbors.

Excellent post. We are not going very far without rebounding and interior d. I think Jabari will come back nearly 100% and be a bigger contributor on offense. Most of us I think only want to trade him if the return is excellent which I don't think it will be seeing as though he has to prove himself first. I am just not sure if we should unload him now and take what we can get, or give him the max and try trading him for full value if and when he is playing up to his potential and gamble on trying to sell high. It is quite the predicament. Throughout the years the Bucks have made some pretty bad decisions regarding players they have also had some pretty bad luck with players getting hurt.

[RRyder823]

I haven't no problems with legitimate questions about Jabari and the risk he presents. There are plenty of valid points that can be addressed and most of them have been.

I have a problem when people complain that since Jabari is pushing for a max deal, as he or anyone should presented the opportunity, that it somehow means he was lying about loving the city and wanting to stay or that it somehow makes him a bad teammate that is unwilling to sacrifice for the team.

Those are the points I find dumb and disingenuous

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[TroyD92]

Car analogies are stupid and so are your massive paragraphs. Telling people their opinions are wrong isn't a good way to strike civil discussions.

[raferfenix]

Keeping Jabari is a harder question if Deandre Jordan or Boogie or Whiteside or another high caliber player who would be a good fit is available for a package including Parker.

If the best we could do is more like Lopez and some cap relief I hope we find another way to solve our center and luxury tax challenges.

[DingleJerry]

Assuming he comes back strong this year and keeps doing well into next year it's going to be so tempting to just think he's going to be fine forever. His value should be quite strong again if that happens, it will take balls but then or a year later if a deal for another legit star without that lingering issue comes available you have to look at doing it. Knowing the bucks luck though, if they do it the new guy will tear his ACL a few weeks later and Jabari will never get majorly hurt again.

[humanrefutation]

I haven't no problems with legitimate questions about Jabari and the risk he presents. There are plenty of valid points that can be addressed and most of them have been.

I have a problem when people complain that since Jabari is pushing for a max deal, as he or anyone should presented the opportunity, that it somehow means he was lying about loving the city and wanting to stay or that it somehow makes him a bad teammate that is unwilling to sacrifice for the team.

Those are the points I find dumb and disingenuous

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Completely agree. If I was his agent, I'd advise him to push for a max deal, too.

That doesn't mean we should give him one, obviously. If he isn't willing to settle for significantly less than the max, and won't play out the QO, then our approach should be pretty straightforward: Let him go to RFA, see if he signs an offer sheet that's within our range, and proceed from there.

[jute2003]

wordier CHL.....didn't know it was possible

[Chapter29]

Yeah, posts like that.... sadly I don't read.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

every single person advocating signing parker is expecting some version of a value deal where we get him at a discount as insurance against further injury. this despite the fact he would have been best served to already have accepted a deal like that in the form of an extension to insure himself if he gets hurt again before the end of this season.

or am I wrong? is somebody on this board suggesting that if he plays the last couple months healthy we max him out like I'm sure parker expects?

[SupremeHustle]

You and a guy you really hated in high school are playing a game of two on two tonight where the winner gets twenty million dollars. For your teammate, you get to choose between Jabari Parker (questionable ACL's and all) and NBA unicorn Thon Maker.

You have the first pick. 20 milly on the line. Who are you taking?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

parker all day long!

[DingleJerry]

every single person advocating signing parker is expecting some version of a value deal where we get him at a discount as insurance against further injury. this despite the fact he would have been best served to already have accepted a deal like that in the form of an extension to insure himself if he gets hurt again before the end of this season.

or am I wrong? is somebody on this board suggesting that if he plays the last couple months healthy we max him out like I'm sure parker expects?

For me, I was stating what I expect MKE to do. I'm not advocating it.

[TroyD92]

You and a guy you really hated in high school are playing a game of two on two tonight where the winner gets twenty million dollars. For your teammate, you get to choose between Jabari Parker (questionable ACL's and all) and NBA unicorn Thon Maker.

You have the first pick. 20 milly on the line. Who are you taking?

Id take Jabari as soon as he's able to run again.

[emunney]

You and a guy you really hated in high school are playing a game of two on two tonight where the winner gets twenty million dollars. For your teammate, you get to choose between Jabari Parker (questionable ACL's and all) and NBA unicorn Thon Maker.

You have the first pick. 20 milly on the line. Who are you taking?

Doesn't matter, I'm roasting that dude, he suuuucks.

[SupremeHustle]

every single person advocating signing parker is expecting some version of a value deal where we get him at a discount as insurance against further injury. this despite the fact he would have been best served to already have accepted a deal like that in the form of an extension to insure himself if he gets hurt again before the end of this season.

or am I wrong? is somebody on this board suggesting that if he plays the last couple months healthy we max him out?

I love that the kid bet on himself, personally. I do wonder what the Bucks' offer was.

I have no idea how much money he should make, but I know if he plays to his full potential that he's the second best player on the team and should be compensated accordingly.

[TroyD92]

Is the free agent market really going to be that lucrative next summer? I feel like a lot of teams aren't going to have a ton of cap room, and the ones that do are going to be looking for Big names.

[Gianstoppable]

How much more likely is a guy to tear his ACL when it has been reconstructed? Is it a big chance or just minor?