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Post#781 » by skones » Wed Nov 20, 2019 3:53 pm

TroyD92 wrote:DDV is working his way into the "very valuable" category. I wouldn't trade him, but I bet you could put together one hell of an offer with him as the core.
He's had two good games in a row. That's it. That's not even close to working his way into "very valuable."

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Post#782 » by Diggr14 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:02 pm

Eye test. He is for real.

DDV will keep climibing in value. He does many of the things Middleton does, but at 1/20th the cost. Also, doesn't require the usage, the ball doesn't die in his hands.. and he plays D. The only issue is durability.

It all depends on Giannis re-signing though. Once he does, Horst should be looking to move Middleton ASAAP.
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Thanasis and Bender to the Herd 

Post#783 » by paulpressey25 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:10 pm

Bucksfan28 wrote:
Nowak008 wrote:The Hollinger/Duncan discussion about the Bucks front office is good as it gets from a national perspective.


From which pod?


Here is the link to their Part 2.
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/locked-on-sports/hollinger-duncan-nba-show

They don't do actual number rankings, but have the Bucks in the "bottom half".

Reasons:
They don't trust ownership. Think Lasry/Edens riff not good in long-run.
Think Horst has done a decent job
Losing Brogdon may signal team won't spend the money needed
Current owners wanted Jason Kidd to run things
If Giannis leaves, they go back to bottom tier

Give a listen for yourself.
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#784 » by JayMKE » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:26 pm

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Post#785 » by Nowak008 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 4:58 pm

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Nowak008 wrote:The Hollinger/Duncan discussion about the Bucks front office is good as it gets from a national perspective.


From which pod?


Hollinger and Duncan have a weekly pod that's pretty good. They have only had 3 pods so far. They actually disagreed quite a bit on the their projections coming into the season which was interesting.
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#786 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:05 pm

Based on past history, the concerns with ownership meddling are legitimate, but the rest of their criticism seems pretty weird when they're essentially summing it up as "Well yeah, they have a superstar, good top-end/starter talent, a great coach and system, great role-players, and are Vegas betting favorites to come out of the East......but they'd be the NBA backwater again if Giannis leaves"

Like, yeah, no ****....
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Post#787 » by crkone » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:38 pm

Read on Twitter


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Seeing how well Jabari Parker is playing with the Hawks (17.2 pts, 6.4 rebs.) and how Malcolm Brogdon is playing like an All-Star for the Pacers (19.2 pts, 8.2 assts, 4.8 boards), Bucks GM/self-proclaimed basketball expert Johnny Horst is the clear front-runner for Exec of the Yr


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Post#788 » by KidA24 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:40 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:
Bucksfan28 wrote:
Nowak008 wrote:The Hollinger/Duncan discussion about the Bucks front office is good as it gets from a national perspective.


From which pod?


Here is the link to their Part 2.
https://www.stitcher.com/podcast/locked-on-sports/hollinger-duncan-nba-show

They don't do actual number rankings, but have the Bucks in the "bottom half".

Reasons:
They don't trust ownership. Think Lasry/Edens riff not good in long-run.
Think Horst has done a decent job
Losing Brogdon may signal team won't spend the money needed
Current owners wanted Jason Kidd to run things
If Giannis leaves, they go back to bottom tier

Give a listen for yourself.


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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#789 » by engelmartin » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:42 pm

crkone wrote:
Read on Twitter


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Seeing how well Jabari Parker is playing with the Hawks (17.2 pts, 6.4 rebs.) and how Malcolm Brogdon is playing like an All-Star for the Pacers (19.2 pts, 8.2 assts, 4.8 boards), Bucks GM/self-proclaimed basketball expert Johnny Horst is the clear front-runner for Exec of the Yr


He's back baby!!!

Not upset at all we let Jabari go. When he was coming out, many of us saw similarities to Tobias Harris (although we expected him to be better). If eventually he ends up being Tobias Harris, I'd hate to be the team giving him $36 million a year. Let the tweeners leave.

And, in their age 24 seasons (so far, for Jabari):
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Post#790 » by Nowak008 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 5:43 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Based on past history, the concerns with ownership meddling are legitimate, but the rest of their criticism seems pretty weird when they're essentially summing it up as "Well yeah, they have a superstar, good top-end/starter talent, a great coach and system, great role-players, and are Vegas betting favorites to come out of the East......but they'd be the NBA backwater again if Giannis leaves"

Like, yeah, no ****....


Their rankings are based on the question - would you want this organization running your favorite team?

You could also say... they haven't done much besides hire Bud. Their list bad moves are pretty long:

- They almost got tampering charges and had to give up a pick to get Kidd
- The GM search for Horst was severely bungled
- Lasry taking charge of the signing of Monroe
- Keeping Hambone around 4 years too long
- Not getting the trade exception for Brog
- Not paying the tax this year for a title contender
- Delly/Plumlee/Snell deals they greenlit
- Getting no value out of the Parker, Thon picks
- Failing to get a 5th year for Giannis

Those are just the undisputable moves... there are many more that are arguable.
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#791 » by KidA24 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:00 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Based on past history, the concerns with ownership meddling are legitimate, but the rest of their criticism seems pretty weird when they're essentially summing it up as "Well yeah, they have a superstar, good top-end/starter talent, a great coach and system, great role-players, and are Vegas betting favorites to come out of the East......but they'd be the NBA backwater again if Giannis leaves"

Like, yeah, no ****....


What has Horst done to build trust in him?

Here are the bad and the ugly:

- Botching getting an extra First because of leaked info when they drafted DDV
- Failing to get the 10M trade exception for Brogdon
- DJ Wilson
- Tony Snell
- Released Gerald Green (replaced by DeAndre Wiggins)

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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#792 » by emunney » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:02 pm

It's **** bananas to me that media levy these criticisms on the Bucks regardless of how well they're playing, which is really **** well btw. Why the hell would check to see if the grass is greener on the other side of the fence when your own grass is like the platonic ideal grass, just green as ****, too green almost.
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#793 » by tydett » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:11 pm

crkone wrote:
Read on Twitter


@GeryWoelfel
Seeing how well Jabari Parker is playing with the Hawks (17.2 pts, 6.4 rebs.) and how Malcolm Brogdon is playing like an All-Star for the Pacers (19.2 pts, 8.2 assts, 4.8 boards), Bucks GM/self-proclaimed basketball expert Johnny Horst is the clear front-runner for Exec of the Yr


He's back baby!!!


Has Jon Horst (no "h", btw, Gery) ever "self-proclaimed" himself a basketball expert? Lol he is so **** bitter it's hilarious.

Also would like to point out that Malcolm Brogdon is not playing like an all-star currently as he is not playing right now due to injury (a reason why the Bucks let him walk).
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#794 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Nov 20, 2019 6:28 pm

I'd be basing my grades on what position my organization is currently in to win a championship, now and/or in the near future, not the long-winding road on how they got there. Which is what amplifies the one issue I have with Hollinger and Duncan's analysis. If it's about "trust" then they should have just made it a ranking of best and worst owners.
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#795 » by RRyder823 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:10 pm

Go through every team in the league the last 5 years and you'll find at least 5-10 decisions that look stupid.

The question is whether to good ones out weigh the bad

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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#796 » by JimmyTheKid » Wed Nov 20, 2019 7:53 pm

crkone wrote:
Read on Twitter


@GeryWoelfel
Seeing how well Jabari Parker is playing with the Hawks (17.2 pts, 6.4 rebs.) and how Malcolm Brogdon is playing like an All-Star for the Pacers (19.2 pts, 8.2 assts, 4.8 boards), Bucks GM/self-proclaimed basketball expert Johnny Horst is the clear front-runner for Exec of the Yr


He's back baby!!!


Gery is a lot like Trump in the sense that just when you think he's embarrassed himself to the point of no return, and bottoms out as the dipsh*t laughingstock any sane person recognizes him to be, he somehow manages to impressively pulls himself up by the tweet fingers and fire off an even more desperate, pathetic, jumbled stream of ideas.
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#797 » by ReasonablySober » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:19 pm

Nowak008 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Based on past history, the concerns with ownership meddling are legitimate, but the rest of their criticism seems pretty weird when they're essentially summing it up as "Well yeah, they have a superstar, good top-end/starter talent, a great coach and system, great role-players, and are Vegas betting favorites to come out of the East......but they'd be the NBA backwater again if Giannis leaves"

Like, yeah, no ****....


Their rankings are based on the question - would you want this organization running your favorite team?

You could also say... they haven't done much besides hire Bud. Their list bad moves are pretty long:

- They almost got tampering charges and had to give up a pick to get Kidd
- The GM search for Horst was severely bungled
- Lasry taking charge of the signing of Monroe
- Keeping Hambone around 4 years too long
- Not getting the trade exception for Brog
- Not paying the tax this year for a title contender
- Delly/Plumlee/Snell deals they greenlit
- Getting no value out of the Parker, Thon picks
- Failing to get a 5th year for Giannis

Those are just the undisputable moves... there are many more that are arguable.


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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#798 » by drone3 » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:35 pm

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Post#799 » by RiotPunch » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:45 pm

tydett wrote:
crkone wrote:
Read on Twitter


@GeryWoelfel
Seeing how well Jabari Parker is playing with the Hawks (17.2 pts, 6.4 rebs.) and how Malcolm Brogdon is playing like an All-Star for the Pacers (19.2 pts, 8.2 assts, 4.8 boards), Bucks GM/self-proclaimed basketball expert Johnny Horst is the clear front-runner for Exec of the Yr


He's back baby!!!


Has Jon Horst (no "h", btw, Gery) ever "self-proclaimed" himself a basketball expert? Lol he is so **** bitter it's hilarious.

Also would like to point out that Malcolm Brogdon is not playing like an all-star currently as he is not playing right now due to injury (a reason why the Bucks let him walk).

He has, yes.

https://www.nbc26.com/sports/milwaukee-bucks-introduce-new-gm-jon-horst

"I'm just excited to get back to basketball. That's what I do: I'm a basketball expert (with) 13-plus years of experience in this business," Horst said. "This stuff is all new for me. I'm excited for all this stuff, too."
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Re: Bucks News, Trades, Transactions - Hollinger/Duncan rate organization, pg 40 

Post#800 » by BroncoBuck » Wed Nov 20, 2019 8:48 pm

Horst swapping an injured Henson/Delly and a pick for George Hill doesn’t get nearly enough credit.

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