'14 Draft Thread - Now With a Poll: VOTE OR DIE.

skones · Post #81 » by **skones** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:41 am

Fischella wrote:
Durins Baynes wrote:I feel like the top 4-5 looks like Wiggins, Parker, Randle, Exum and Smart. It seems like the odds those guys can be franchise players is really high. Then from 6-9 there is Selden, Christon, Embiid and Cauley-Stein. All of those 4 look like they have all-star potential, some more than others. Most, if not all, of those guys would probably have had a good case to go #1 this year.

Why do you count Embiid and Selden in when they are likely not? and Christon is too high, first he's already 21 and he's a sophmore, second he can't shot, and his decision making is terrible, he's a bigger version of Bledsoe right now.

Maybe he pan out as an All Star, maybe not, Cauley-Stein is incredibly raw too.

Gary Harris is better than all of them as a prospect.

Regarding the top5, Marcus Smart doesnt seem to be a franchise player in my eyes, possibly an All Star yea, but not really the best player of any competitive team.

The other 4 is another story, but those 4 will go top4 unless something shocking happens, and the Bucks won't be there unless they hit the jackpot during the lottery.

I think you really underrate Embiid.

Baddy Chuck · Post #82 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:51 am

Every point made in here is irrelevant until littlecleo weighs in with his big board.

Durins Baynes · Post #83 » by **Durins Baynes** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 1:57 am

He's really underrating several of them. I agree Marcus Smart looks more like an all-star than a franchise guy though.

No-Man · Post #84 » by **No-Man** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:17 am

Embiid won't start at Kansas, you can mark my words.
Selden will have problems translating his game to the next level, right now he's a 6'5 SF, his quickness is below average and his shot is streaky.
Who else I'm underrating? Christon? Have you seen him play? He plays out of control, and while he's incredibly athletic he's also raw as a PG, he has no shot whatsoever and will be 22 years old by the time the Draft come.

Cauley-Stein is a nice prospect, but he is raw, he is a fluid athlete and the guy is big, but he lacks the instincts Noel has on defense, and the only way he produces on offense is when he can run the floor.

I like his attitude and his game reminds me of Noah, but he's not a sure fire prospect either.

skones · Post #85 » by **skones** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:34 am

Fischella wrote:Embiid won't start at Kansas, you can mark my words.
Selden will have problems translating his game to the next level, right now he's a 6'5 SF, his quickness is below average and his shot is streaky.
Who else I'm underrating? Christon? Have you seen him play? He plays out of control, and while he's incredibly athletic he's also raw as a PG, he has no shot whatsoever and will be 22 years old by the time the Draft come.

Cauley-Stein is a nice prospect, but he is raw, he is a fluid athlete and the guy is big, but he lacks the instincts Noel has on defense, and the only way he produces on offense is when he can run the floor.

I like his attitude and his game reminds me of Noah, but he's not a sure fire prospect either.

As far as Selden is concerned, Self loves him, and expects him to play big minutes right away and at what he believes at a high level. The fact that he gets to guard Wiggins every day in practice should help him considerably.

I think you'll see Embiid play plenty. With his size and athleticism, he's already a difference maker on the defensive end.

Durins Baynes · Post #86 » by **Durins Baynes** » Sun Aug 18, 2013 2:36 am

I think Noah is a good comparison for Cauley-Stein in terms of his likely talent level as an NBA player. The thing is, Noah is a really, really valuable player though. He's one rung above being an all-star in terms of impact.

Christon should be less out of control by the seasons end, and 22 isn't old if he even half pans out. Right now he looks like he could be a middle class mans John Wall. That's a very good player to have.

Selden I don't know enough about, and am sceptical of. I'll wait and see how he does at college.

Embiid doesn't need to start, just show enough flashes for teams to take him high, which should be easy.

The Wet Whistle · Post #87 » by **The Wet Whistle** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:24 pm

After 3 preseason games it's not too early to bring this back, is it?

Let's get one of Wiggins, Exum, Randle!

Post #88 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:33 pm

The last thing the Bucks need is another forward, but Randle would be amazing.

bullox · Post #89 » by **bullox** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:46 pm

ReasonablySober wrote:The last thing the Bucks need is another forward, but Randle would be amazing.

The first thing the Bucks need is an impact player, anywhere.

ampd · Post #90 » by **ampd** » Sun Oct 13, 2013 8:47 pm

Baddy Chuck wrote:Every point made in here is irrelevant until littlecleo weighs in with his big board.

Its shaping up that we might be in the mix this season for the high lotto. We are going to have an impossible time scoring.

Durins Baynes · Post #91 » by **Durins Baynes** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 12:57 am

I still think you've set yourself up to be too good, but maybe you get a top 3 pick. Even top 7-8 looks like it'll be choc full of talent.

ChuckBros4Life · Post #92 » by **ChuckBros4Life** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:43 am

The recruiting class for Kansas is ridiculous this year. They could easily beat the 76'ers.

mattg · Post #93 » by **mattg** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:44 am

ChuckBros4Life wrote:The recruiting class for Kansas is ridiculous this year. They could easily beat the 76'ers.

No they wouldn't. Sixers would blow them out.

Matches Malone · Post #94 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 2:13 pm

mattg wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:The recruiting class for Kansas is ridiculous this year. They could easily beat the 76'ers.

No they wouldn't. Sixers would blow them out.

Selden, Wiggins and Embiid would all be starters for the 76ers if they were in the NBA, so I wouldn't put it past them to be able to beat the current 76ers.

giraldo5 · Post #95 » by **giraldo5** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:16 pm

StikWitEM wrote:
mattg wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:The recruiting class for Kansas is ridiculous this year. They could easily beat the 76'ers.

No they wouldn't. Sixers would blow them out.

Selden, Wiggins and Embiid would all be starters for the 76ers if they were in the NBA, so I wouldn't put it past them to be able to beat the current 76ers.

Asumming that you are counting Noel not playing, it is still an absolutely ludicrous statement. Khaliff Wyatt and Vander Blue are battling to make the roster, and both would be the 2nd best player on Kansas behind Wiggins. And that's assuming Wiggins lives up to the hype. The spread we be around 35 for the game. And only Wiggins would be a starter.

MVP2110 · Post #96 » by **MVP2110** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:25 pm

StikWitEM wrote:
mattg wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:The recruiting class for Kansas is ridiculous this year. They could easily beat the 76'ers.

No they wouldn't. Sixers would blow them out.

Selden, Wiggins and Embiid would all be starters for the 76ers if they were in the NBA, so I wouldn't put it past them to be able to beat the current 76ers.

I wouldn't put it passed Kansas to win a single game over Philly but in multiple games Philly definately has an advantage, the talent level difference is just way too much. Kansas would need Wiggins to take over

skones · Post #97 » by **skones** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 5:55 pm

StikWitEM wrote:
mattg wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:The recruiting class for Kansas is ridiculous this year. They could easily beat the 76'ers.

No they wouldn't. Sixers would blow them out.

Selden, Wiggins and Embiid would all be starters for the 76ers if they were in the NBA, so I wouldn't put it past them to be able to beat the current 76ers.

No. Just no.

mattg · Post #98 » by **mattg** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:35 pm

StikWitEM wrote:
mattg wrote:
ChuckBros4Life wrote:The recruiting class for Kansas is ridiculous this year. They could easily beat the 76'ers.

No they wouldn't. Sixers would blow them out.

Selden, Wiggins and Embiid would all be starters for the 76ers if they were in the NBA, so I wouldn't put it past them to be able to beat the current 76ers.

No offense, but you're clueless. Embiid is way too raw to start in the nba and may not even start for Kansas. Selden has major question marks with his game, he's one of those guys whose had an nba body since he was 14 and dominated HS competition because of it. There's a lot of people who are unsure if the guy will be able to transition to a great college player when he isn't so physically dominant let alone an nba starter. Wiggins also is struggling with consistent effort and intensity right now, and word out of Kansas is that he's their 4th or 5th best player right now because he drifts in and out.

That doesn't even get into the fact that Kansas frontline would get absolutely manhandled or that They'd have absolutely no answer for evan turner or that their PG combo of Frankamp/Thorpe has no chance going against nba guards. Thaddeus young would be a nightmare matchup. Etc etc

NCAA teams aren't good enough to beat even the best pro teams. Also, Kansas isn't even the best college team this year IMO so it's silly to even argue that they could beat the sixers.

ChuckBros4Life · Post #99 » by **ChuckBros4Life** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 6:55 pm

I'll bet against any team that has MCW as their starting PG

emunney · Post #100 » by **emunney** » Mon Oct 14, 2013 7:37 pm

ChuckBros4Life wrote:I'll bet against any team that has MCW as their starting PG

You mean like Syracuse last year, who went to the Final Four?

Who would you pick?