What would you ask ATL for Sanders?

[parson]

You really don't want to start this with me

No, I'm sure I don't.

[parson]

Gotta love fans of other teams coming over here asking what we would want for a player and them getting mad when what we want isn't what they want to give up.

In fairness, it is pretty **** stupid for people to be posting trades including Horford. You then had cinematographer posting a trade for Sanders that looked similar to something like Shaq to Miami.

I understand I'm a guest and that folks want the moon for their players. I'm sure I overvalue my team's players, as well. I'm just looking for an idea of Sanders' value. Like an Olympic judge, I'll throw out the high and low scores and average out the rest.

Besides (and this is not blowing smoke up y'all's skirts), I get less grief from this board than any other I visit. I actually came over here once and offered a Josh Smith for Andrew Bogut deal (when Bogut was still healthy) and no one killed me.

[buckboy]

Gotta love fans of other teams coming over here asking what we would want for a player and them getting mad when what we want isn't what they want to give up.

In fairness, it is pretty **** stupid for people to be posting trades including Horford. You then had cinematographer posting a trade for Sanders that looked similar to something like Shaq to Miami.

I understand I'm a guest and that folks want the moon for their players. I'm sure I overvalue my team's players, as well. I'm just looking for an idea of Sanders' value. Like an Olympic judge, I'll throw out the high and low scores and average out the rest.

I think the consensus will be Schroeder and BKN 1st. If it isn't already.

[trwi7]

Gotta love fans of other teams coming over here asking what we would want for a player and them getting mad when what we want isn't what they want to give up.

In fairness, it is pretty **** stupid for people to be posting trades including Horford. You then had cinematographer posting a trade for Sanders that looked similar to something like Shaq to Miami.

But there was a lot of Schröder + Brooklyn pick for Sanders, which isn't unreasonable at all considering the Nets could easily make the playoffs in the East and that was met with the claiming that it was an awful deal for the Hawks.

[Ayt]

Gotta love fans of other teams coming over here asking what we would want for a player and them getting mad when what we want isn't what they want to give up.

In fairness, it is pretty **** stupid for people to be posting trades including Horford. You then had cinematographer posting a trade for Sanders that looked similar to something like Shaq to Miami.

I understand I'm a guest and that folks want the moon for their players. I'm sure I overvalue my team's players, as well. I'm just looking for an idea of Sanders' value. Like an Olympic judge, I'll throw out the high and low scores and average out the rest.

People are all over the place on this board with Sanders because he was only dominant last season and he may very well be a bit of a head case.

I personally think he's one of the top 5 players in the league when it comes to defensive impact. He's one of the few players in the league I get a huge amount of joy out of watching play defense on a possession by possession basis. I'm the type of fan that focuses mainly on everything happening off the ball when watching the game. He's an incredible defensive talent.

Atlanta obviously has no interest in trading Horford. Any trade for Sanders would be looking towards the future in pairing Horford and Sanders together (which would awesome).

I can understand fans of other teams thinking Sanders is available because the Bucks are so awful, but I don't think that is the case.

[jakecronus8]

I'm a believer that Sanders and Henson are not a good fit together, and seeing as Henson right now has higher value, hes the one I'd look to deal, though its hard to stomach considering he's a talented player who wants to be here.

Assuming ATL still wants to do a win now trade, I'd do Henson and Zaza for Schroeder, Brand's expiring and the Brooklyn pick, top 3 protected.

[breakchains]

I really do think we should be targeting Schroder right now, whether it's in a deal involving Sanders or someone else. I'd do Knight + Arsen for him.

[Matches Malone]

I'd trade Sanders to Atlanta if they are willing to take back Carlos Delfino. Maybe something like Sanders + Delfino for Schroder + Jenkins + BKN 1st

[No-Man]

I'd do this I think,

Milwaukee gets, Schröeder, future 1st (2015), Brand, sends, Sanders, Neal.
Atlanta gets, Sanders, sends, Schröeder, future 1st (2015), Brand, Cunningham.
Charlotte gets, Cunningham, Neal, 2nd round pick, Bledsoe TE sends, Haywood, Tolliver.
Clippers gets, Haywood, Tolliver, sends, Bledsoe TE, 2nd round pick.

http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=jw2et4g

Add the pick, Clippers cut Jackson and Wayns, et voila.

[bullox]

82 thousand posts and a "Certified Bucks Hater," yet I'm the one who's angry? Glad I came along to make you feel better.

(But seriously for a minute, how'd you trick the RealGM post counter so badly that it credits you with 82,000+? Do you write code?)

Don't do this. You might think it makes you look good as a comparison to the person you are talking about. Trust me, it doesn't.

Carry on with the trade banter, that's fine. Just don't get into it with members here.

[cinematographer]

In fairness, it is pretty **** stupid for people to be posting trades including Horford. You then had cinematographer posting a trade for Sanders that looked similar to something like Shaq to Miami.

Damn right. We don't need to trade Larry!

[randy84]

Larry Sanders is not a superstar.

Only chance for the Bucks to get a superstar is through the draft.

This draft has a lot of superstar potential.

More high draft picks adds to the chances of getting a superstar.

The Nets are awful this year and may get a high pick in a great draft.

I would trade Sanders for Atlanta's first which may end up being the Net's first to increase the Bucks' chances of getting a superstar.

However, I think you would have to get another team involved as the salaries would not work.

[Ruzious]

Larry Sanders is not a superstar.

Only chance for the Bucks to get a superstar is through the draft.

This draft has a lot of superstar potential.

More high draft picks adds to the chances of getting a superstar.

The Nets are awful this year and may get a high pick in a great draft.

I would trade Sanders for Atlanta's first which may end up being the Net's first to increase the Bucks' chances of getting a superstar.

However, I think you would have to get another team involved as the salaries would not work.

How about thinking of other ways to get that pick - since the CBA makes trading Sanders extremely difficult?

What about Henson? Stat guys are raving about him. His PER is over 20, and he has impressive efficiency stats - and stats are more and more running how GM's make moves. And the fact that he's still on his rookie contract for 2 more full seasons makes him a lot more valuable than the average fan would think. Combine him with super-bargain Khris Middleton, and you have a package that the new breed of GMs salivate over. And maybe that's enough to get Atl's pick? Consider Henson would be a real nice fit with Horford next season. Henson and Middleton for John Jenkins fits in the trade checker.

I've always liked Henson as a player but wonder if he's strong enough to hold up against the better teams.

[paulpressey25]

In fairness, it is pretty **** stupid for people to be posting trades including Horford.

Why?

Horford turns 28 next year. If this torn pec can't be solved quickly, he's out for the year. And that makes two out of the last three seasons he's missed based on torn pecs.

If I were Atlanta and wanted to do a long-term rebuild, I'd be considering dealing him if I get Larry back plus some other good assets.

[EastSideBucksFan]

In fairness, it is pretty **** stupid for people to be posting trades including Horford.

Why?

Horford turns 28 next year. If this torn pec can't be solved quickly, he's out for the year. And that makes two out of the last three seasons he's missed based on torn pecs.

If I were Atlanta and wanted to do a long-term rebuild, I'd be considering dealing him if I get Larry back plus some other good assets.

Do people really forget that the Golden State Warriors ACQUIRED Andrew Bogut with a broken ankle and are now in a position to compete two years later?

[ChuckBros4Life]

Larry Sanders is not a superstar.

Only chance for the Bucks to get a superstar is through the draft.

This draft has a lot of superstar potential.

More high draft picks adds to the chances of getting a superstar.

The Nets are awful this year and may get a high pick in a great draft.

I would trade Sanders for Atlanta's first which may end up being the Net's first to increase the Bucks' chances of getting a superstar.

However, I think you would have to get another team involved as the salaries would not work.

How about thinking of other ways to get that pick - since the CBA makes trading Sanders extremely difficult?

What about Henson? Stat guys are raving about him. His PER is over 20, and he has impressive efficiency stats - and stats are more and more running how GM's make moves. And the fact that he's still on his rookie contract for 2 more full seasons makes him a lot more valuable than the average fan would think. Combine him with super-bargain Khris Middleton, and you have a package that the new breed of GMs salivate over. And maybe that's enough to get Atl's pick? Consider Henson would be a real nice fit with Horford next season. Henson and Middleton for John Jenkins fits in the trade checker.

I've always liked Henson as a player but wonder if he's strong enough to hold up against the better teams.

If we have to trade two studs in Henson and Middleton to get a potential top 10 pick, it better be on draft night and Atl's pick from Brooklyn better be top 5. Even then I'd still want them to throw in Schröder. The idea of building around 2 top 5 guys in this draft and giannis is tantalizing though. Embiid, Parker, Giannis

[Nebula1]

After seeing Larry on the floor again, I've come around on keeping him with the understanding the Bucks will be aggressive in moving Ersan and Udoh for an additional 1st.

Henson's defense just hasn't shown enough quality to let Sanders go.

[Matches Malone]

How about thinking of other ways to get that pick - since the CBA makes trading Sanders extremely difficult?

What about Henson? Stat guys are raving about him. His PER is over 20, and he has impressive efficiency stats - and stats are more and more running how GM's make moves. And the fact that he's still on his rookie contract for 2 more full seasons makes him a lot more valuable than the average fan would think. Combine him with super-bargain Khris Middleton, and you have a package that the new breed of GMs salivate over. And maybe that's enough to get Atl's pick? Consider Henson would be a real nice fit with Horford next season. Henson and Middleton for John Jenkins fits in the trade checker.

I've always liked Henson as a player but wonder if he's strong enough to hold up against the better teams.

That pick better be in the top 6 then for me to move both those guys. And Schroder has to come back as well. I think both Henson and Middleton are guys you can build around, so if I'm trading them both, I need a good haul coming back, worth trading for. I'd personally rather keep Henson over Sanders if I had to decide between the two, but for the sake of the conversation I would do this deal...

Henson + Middleton for Top 6 pick + Schroder + Jenkins

Draft Parker and Embiid or Randle

Schroder
Antetokounmpo
Parker
Sanders/Randle
Embiid/Sanders

[Ruzious]

How about thinking of other ways to get that pick - since the CBA makes trading Sanders extremely difficult?

What about Henson? Stat guys are raving about him. His PER is over 20, and he has impressive efficiency stats - and stats are more and more running how GM's make moves. And the fact that he's still on his rookie contract for 2 more full seasons makes him a lot more valuable than the average fan would think. Combine him with super-bargain Khris Middleton, and you have a package that the new breed of GMs salivate over. And maybe that's enough to get Atl's pick? Consider Henson would be a real nice fit with Horford next season. Henson and Middleton for John Jenkins fits in the trade checker.

I've always liked Henson as a player but wonder if he's strong enough to hold up against the better teams.

That pick better be in the top 6 then for me to move both those guys. And Schroder has to come back as well. I think both Henson and Middleton are guys you can build around, so if I'm trading them both, I need a good haul coming back, worth trading for. I'd personally rather keep Henson over Sanders if I had to decide between the two, but for the sake of the conversation I would do this deal...

Henson + Middleton for Top 6 pick + Schroder + Jenkins

Draft Parker and Embiid or Randle

Schroder
Antetokounmpo
Parker
Sanders/Randle
Embiid/Sanders

Ok, let's put Schroder in the deal. I was trying not to be greedy, but I probably over-compensated the other way. I'll agree with you and Chuck on this. And if need be, do we agree to include Wolters?

[Matches Malone]

How about thinking of other ways to get that pick - since the CBA makes trading Sanders extremely difficult?

What about Henson? Stat guys are raving about him. His PER is over 20, and he has impressive efficiency stats - and stats are more and more running how GM's make moves. And the fact that he's still on his rookie contract for 2 more full seasons makes him a lot more valuable than the average fan would think. Combine him with super-bargain Khris Middleton, and you have a package that the new breed of GMs salivate over. And maybe that's enough to get Atl's pick? Consider Henson would be a real nice fit with Horford next season. Henson and Middleton for John Jenkins fits in the trade checker.

I've always liked Henson as a player but wonder if he's strong enough to hold up against the better teams.

That pick better be in the top 6 then for me to move both those guys. And Schroder has to come back as well. I think both Henson and Middleton are guys you can build around, so if I'm trading them both, I need a good haul coming back, worth trading for. I'd personally rather keep Henson over Sanders if I had to decide between the two, but for the sake of the conversation I would do this deal...

Henson + Middleton for Top 6 pick + Schroder + Jenkins

Draft Parker and Embiid or Randle

Schroder
Antetokounmpo
Parker
Sanders/Randle
Embiid/Sanders

Ok, let's put Schroder in the deal. I was trying not to be greedy, but I probably over-compensated the other way. I'll agree with you and Chuck on this. And if need be, do we agree to include Wolters?

If it's a deal breaker not to include him then I would, otherwise I'd rather keep him to be a backup.