Ford Mock 6.0 #2 Embiid

coolhandluke121 · Post #81 » by **coolhandluke121** » Wed May 21, 2014 4:26 pm

I think the only thing stopping Embiid from being a top-15 level impact player will be injuries, but based on what I've read his injury is not that severe. Having good posture and core strength and being relatively thin for his height bodes well for him. Also, it's not all that surprising or alarming that he would suffer this injury because he's new to the game. His body should adjust. It's not a congenital problem, like Oden's leg asymmetry or Daugherty's bad disks.

I'd be intrigued by what they could get by trading down for Vonleh or Gordon. I'm not that into Exum and I suspect he's getting a little boost from being an intriguing unknown, as opposed to being a college player who has been scrutinized a lot. I do have him ahead of Parker though.

ANTETOKOUNBROS · Post #82 » by **ANTETOKOUNBROS** » Wed May 21, 2014 4:26 pm

breakchains wrote:
buckRISING wrote:
breakchains wrote:That might be the way you are looking at it, but if you can't decide who you like better between the two and use who is available next year as your tie-breaker, then you shouldn't be the general manager of an NBA team. Rarely, if ever, in the age of the 1-and-done, will there be a guaranteed prospect and all will have +/-. It's the job of the GM to determine who is the better prospect. Looking to next year's prospects as an important variable is a huge mistake.

It's an art not a science -- otherwise Oden wouldn't have been #1. No one here is qualified to be a GM, myself or you included.

The Bucks have a GM. The Bucks GM should not look to next year's draft as a variable because he is not able to distinguish between two prospects.

You are arguing against nothing. We are going to end up with Wiggins or Embiid, that is clear at this moment in time. Giannis would not have been picked at 15 if CLE and 14 other GM's could pick best prospect.

ANTETOKOUNBROS · Post #83 » by **ANTETOKOUNBROS** » Wed May 21, 2014 4:29 pm

buckRISING wrote:
breakchains wrote:
buckRISING wrote:
It's an art not a science -- otherwise Oden wouldn't have been #1. No one here is qualified to be a GM, myself or you included.

The Bucks have a GM. The Bucks GM should not look to next year's draft as a variable because he is not able to distinguish between two prospects.

I am not suggesting that next year's draft should influence who we pick this year ultimately, but its nice to know there is a nice crop for bigs next year. Just like how many teams were planning for the 2014 draft year since 2013 (see Philly dealing Jrue etc).

driese0824 · Post #84 » by **driese0824** » Wed May 21, 2014 4:30 pm

buckRISING wrote:
breakchains wrote:
buckRISING wrote:
It's an art not a science -- otherwise Oden wouldn't have been #1. No one here is qualified to be a GM, myself or you included.

The Bucks have a GM. The Bucks GM should not look to next year's draft as a variable because he is not able to distinguish between two prospects.

You are arguing against nothing. We are going to end up with Wiggins or Embiid, that is clear at this moment in time. Giannis would not have been picked at 15 if CLE and 14 other GM's could pick best prospect.

good post but I don't think its all that clear on wiggins or embiid as the only 2 choices.
I would say wiggins is a definite yes but embiid im not so sure of especially when the owner comes out and says how much he likes parker.Maybe the bucks are thinking that a 2 or a 4 is more important that a center.I guess we will see

ANTETOKOUNBROS · Post #85 » by **ANTETOKOUNBROS** » Wed May 21, 2014 4:30 pm

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yuedar · Post #86 » by **yuedar** » Wed May 21, 2014 4:47 pm

I really want to see Wiggins and Giannis play together. That combination excites me for the future. Anyone else and ill be some variation of dissapointed

driese0824 · Post #87 » by **driese0824** » Wed May 21, 2014 4:50 pm

yuedar wrote:I really want to see Wiggins and Giannis play together. That combination excites me for the future. Anyone else and ill be some variation of dissapointed

though I think giannis at the 3 and parker running up and the down the court with giannis at the 4 sounds just as exciting

LedZepp007 · Post #88 » by **LedZepp007** » Wed May 21, 2014 4:59 pm

@ESPNNBA: Sources tell @GoodmanESPN the Cavs favor Joel Embiid for the No. 1 overall pick.

http://t.co/gzcARgVdQF

machu46 · Post #89 » by **machu46** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:03 pm

LedZepp007 wrote:@ESPNNBA: Sources tell @GoodmanESPN the Cavs favor Joel Embiid for the No. 1 overall pick.

http://t.co/gzcARgVdQF

Good! Do that!

At the end of the day, assuming we keep our pick, I'm going to be happy. They'll take wiggins, Embiid, Exum, or Parker and I'll be happy with all of them regardless of which guys I personally prefer.

ANTETOKOUNBROS · Post #90 » by **ANTETOKOUNBROS** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:05 pm

LedZepp007 wrote:@ESPNNBA: Sources tell @GoodmanESPN the Cavs favor Joel Embiid for the No. 1 overall pick.

http://t.co/gzcARgVdQF

I pray this happens, not that I would mind Embiid, I just believe Wiggins will be enormous.

bullox · Post #91 » by **bullox** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:15 pm

LUKE23 wrote:Oden was a stud when he played, so that isn't a good example. You can't predict injury. And everyone has acknowledged the injury concern with Embiid. But going by per game stats is ridiculous. Again, I'll go back to Hakeem. I'm not saying Embiid is for sure Hakeem, but would you have rated Hakeem poorly based on per game averages as a freshman?

What about Zo (13/7 as a frosh)?
What about Shaq (14/12)?
Mutombo (4/3)?
D-Rob (7/4 at Navy)?
Ewing (13/7.5)?

I'm sure I could go on and on. Big men develop later than swingmen as a general rule. Harder to coordinate larger bodies. But Embiid's footwork is already there. His per minute production is there. There is very little not to like, period.

I don't think you can compare freshman from past generations to the current era. So much has changed to hasten development.

ackypoo · Post #92 » by **ackypoo** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:17 pm

'dwight howard couldnt get his team out of the first round' - someone on colin cowherd

for all i know it was that idiot cowherd himself, regardless, it says something about banking on centers in todays nba.

3 pt shooting is todays game. not pounding inside. you need guys that can draw fouls, and guys that can shoot open 3s.

LUKE23 · Post #93 » by **LUKE23** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:21 pm

I don't see why you can't, if you're looking at it from purely a per game standpoint and ignoring minutes, role, defensive impact, etc., which I obviously wouldn't. Big men have always taken longer to develop. That hasn't changed across eras. How many big men have even averaged 15 ppg as freshman in terms of major conference bigs (players that can be classified as C)? I'd be interested to see the list. I know that the only three to do it since 1997-98 are Kevin Love, AJ Ogilvy, and Greg Oden. I'm guessing the list even going way back isn't longer than 15-20.

http://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/pla ... der_by=pts

Badgerlander · Post #94 » by **Badgerlander** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:22 pm

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/ ... -chad-ford

Eric (Manhattan, KS)
Who would the Bucks Top 3 be right now?

Chad Ford (1:10 PM)
I don't think they have one yet. All of the top four could really help them. I know they were intrigued by Joel Embiid before he hurt his back and I still think he could be the guy if they get a look at his back. I think he and Larry Sanders could actually play together and pair those two with Giannis and you have the longest front court in the NBA. I think they love the idea of pairing Wiggins with Giannis as well. And don't count out Dante Exum. Brandon Knight can move to the two and Exum could end up being their point guard of the future. He's in the mix at No. 2.

Kenneth (Marietta, GA)
Anyway the Magic try to put some package together to get into the top 2 to land Parker or Wiggins? Maybe package the 12 with Afflalo to move up to say 8 and then package 4 and 8? The front office would probably rather stay put and get Exum/Smart at 4 and then BPA at 12, but wanted to ask the hypothetical to you.

Chad Ford (1:15 PM)
I think they're OK at 4. They want a point guard and I think there's a good chance Dante Exum is there. I think the Bucks are the team most likely to snag him. But if they do that, then Jabari, Wiggins or Embiid is on the board and the Magic like all three. I also think Marcus Smart is still in the equation at No. 4. Not every team loves him, but the Magic do. At 12, I assume they add shooting -- especially if they take Exum or Smart. Again Nik Stauskas, Gary Harris, James Young are all possibilities. I also think Saric is in the mix here as well.

breakchains · Post #95 » by **breakchains** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:23 pm

Let's also not forget that Embiid did this while being very new to the game, and you were able to witness his rapid improvement almost visibly from game to game. His trajectory is ridiculous right now.

LedZepp007 · Post #96 » by **LedZepp007** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:24 pm

Notice no mention of Parker. **** John Hammond. I think Exum may be the guy if Wiggins goes to the Cavs

LedZepp007 · Post #97 » by **LedZepp007** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:24 pm

Embiid is an injury parade

el_suavacado · Post #98 » by **el_suavacado** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:31 pm

That Chad Ford chat response is encouraging.

Newz · Post #99 » by **Newz** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:34 pm

LedZepp007 wrote:Embiid is an awesome parade

Fixed.

buckboy · Post #100 » by **buckboy** » Wed May 21, 2014 5:38 pm

driese0824 wrote:
Zeezprah wrote:yea parker and exum to philly and orlando respectively are locks imo.

top 2 is the only doubt. i think if embiid's back 100% checks out, cleveland is going to have a tough time not taking him. they need a C pretty badly, and embiid and is the best to come out since oden.

either way i'll be pretty happy, and if embiid's back doesn't check out, parker will still be a great pick for us.

I agree if Embiid's back checks out hes a cav,if it doesn't he wont be a cav,buck,sixer and maybe even a magic.
Now if embiid back does check out and the cavs pass on him then it becomes interesting cause if the bucks don't take him where does he fall to,the 6ers don't need him and the majic well do they

1. If Embiid's back checks out, I think he's a lock for Cleveland.

2. If Cleveland passes in that scenario, Milwaukee takes him immediately.

3. If, for some reason, Milwaukee doesn't want to take him, they will have some sweet offers for that pick. Unfortunately, it appears Hammond will be in charge. The problem there is that those offers will likely come from teams outside of the top 4, where I personally do not want to be. Philly and Orlando have no motivation to move up to get him, as you stated.

Bottom line for me is, if you don't get one of Wiggins/Embiid, I would consider this draft a colossal failure, again, provided Embiid's back checks out, which I think it will.