Bucks looking at Bledsoe, probably.

[Serge28]

In a comprable situation, Vasquez was taking 13 shots a game on a 27 win Hornets team that had a rookie Anthony Davis. Makes much more sense as a first guard off the bench for a playoff team. No thank you.

I mean he also dished out 9 assists a game.

Sure, with 3.2 turnovers. My point was that he becomes a ball dominant guy on a bad team and we don't need that right now. Like I said, he's a useful player in the right situation.

3rd in the NBA in assists last season with 9th best assist/turnover ratio. How is that a bad thing? Also, dishing out a ton of assists doesn't necessarily make you ball dominant.

[WeekapaugGroove]

Maxing Bledsoe is a gamble. The downside is mitigated by the ballooning salary cap approaching --

With four year contracts, these gambles aren't quite as horrific as they were a few years ago when you got stuck for 6 or 7 years with a guy.

From the Suns standpoint, they've got to decide if they want to pay two guards the max over the next few years. Add in a chance Kidd gets Bledsoe to sour on PHX, putting the Suns in a position to trade him for 80 cents on the dollar. And frankly Knight AND Henson would be a haul for them.

it wouldn't surprise me to see the suns trade Goran or Bledsoe but I think they want to combine one of them other assets and picks and they to obtain a "star" type player. The new regime there is thinking big; heck they're swinging for the fences this off season and pitching LeBron and bosh. It's obviously a long shot but should give some sense of what their mindset is as a franchise.

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[dedned]

I also worry because this move keeps the ball out of Giannis' hands. And that there'd be a non-zero probability the only outside shooter in Bledsoe/x/Giannis/Parker/Sanders is x.

We can go find X then. For me is it all about who gets the best player. Bledsoe is easily the best player of that grouping. If he stays healthy, we've got an interesting core now. If he gets injured, then tank.

By way of note, the Eric Gordon contract hasn't really impacted the Pelicans at all, and that only has two years left. Plus we'd have to pay Brandon Knight something here real soon and I don't want to do that.

Is he? How long until everyone is bitching about his contract and the 8th seed?

[White+Purple]

Good chance that one of those three targets is a smokescreen to bring the price of the other two down.

[ampd]

Maxing Bledsoe is a gamble. The downside is mitigated by the ballooning salary cap approaching --

With four year contracts, these gambles aren't quite as horrific as they were a few years ago when you got stuck for 6 or 7 years with a guy.

From the Suns standpoint, they've got to decide if they want to pay two guards the max over the next few years. Add in a chance Kidd gets Bledsoe to sour on PHX, putting the Suns in a position to trade him for 80 cents on the dollar. And frankly Knight AND Henson would be a haul for them.

I also worry because this move keeps the ball out of Giannis' hands. And that there'd be a non-zero probability the only outside shooter in Bledsoe/x/Giannis/Parker/Sanders is x.

Parker can shoot.

From a ball domination standpoint bledsoe would be a pretty good fit for giannis I think. You'd need your sg to be very good 3 point shooter (middleton is) and you'd hope giannis or bledsoe or both become above average there. Can hope Inglis 40 percent from 3 in France was legit too.

Would make it pretty easy to fill out the bench (all shooters) and we'd be amazing defensively and in transition.

[FlagsFlyForever]

In a comprable situation, Vasquez was taking 13 shots a game on a 27 win Hornets team that had a rookie Anthony Davis. Makes much more sense as a first guard off the bench for a playoff team. No thank you.

I mean he also dished out 9 assists a game.

Sure, with 3.2 turnovers. My point was that he becomes a ball dominant guy on a bad team and we don't need that right now. Like I said, he's a useful player in the right situation.

Why does that matter when you're comparing him to Bledsoe who averaged 3.3 turnovers last season and only 5.5 assists?

[cinematographer]

I dont understand how you guys think Bledsoe is the PG savior and Knight has no Chance at PG. knight is the bigger PG and has put up equal if not better numbers both on last year and career as a whole. ill take the guy thats 2years younger with just as good numbers and i think hes a better shooter. ppl are Willing to pay bledsoe 12-15 mil per year and ive read people cringe about knight on a teague like deal. I personally think knight is the better prospect, and i think his game will blossom under Kidd, just my humble opinion though.

Look at my post on the first page. Bledsoe has an in-reach ceiling for his penetration game and he's a destroyer of offenses. Right now he's contributing far more to wins than Knight and if his offensive game becomes more surgical, he's a top 25 player.

A max offer would be a bet that Kidd makes Bledsoe's offensive impact catch up with his physical tools. It's risky, but at least we'd be getting an elite skill from it, regardless of how much polish his offensive game ultimately gets.

I just see them as two very comparably skilled players and when youre talking investing 12-15mil plus assets, i rather take my chancs on Knight improving hes 2 years younger and i believe he can and will make strides in a better offensive system. I like bledsoe i just dont see him as a huge improvement over our guards, hes just more explosive.

To be clear, I don't know if I'd do this trade, I'm not without reservations about it. If I was presented a choice between Bledsoe at 14m or Knight at 10m, and I had to pick one, it's Bledsoe. But it isn't a binary, and with the opportunity I might well pick neither. I want Giannis running the show, and with Parker in the fold, that's going to be difficult enough as it is.

[Chuck Diesel]

I mean he also dished out 9 assists a game.

Sure, with 3.2 turnovers. My point was that he becomes a ball dominant guy on a bad team and we don't need that right now. Like I said, he's a useful player in the right situation.

Why does that matter when you're comparing him to Bledsoe who averaged 3.3 turnovers last season and only 5.5 assists?

Who's comparing him to Bledsoe?

[cinematographer]

With four year contracts, these gambles aren't quite as horrific as they were a few years ago when you got stuck for 6 or 7 years with a guy.

From the Suns standpoint, they've got to decide if they want to pay two guards the max over the next few years. Add in a chance Kidd gets Bledsoe to sour on PHX, putting the Suns in a position to trade him for 80 cents on the dollar. And frankly Knight AND Henson would be a haul for them.

I also worry because this move keeps the ball out of Giannis' hands. And that there'd be a non-zero probability the only outside shooter in Bledsoe/x/Giannis/Parker/Sanders is x.

Parker can shoot.

From a ball domination standpoint bledsoe would be a pretty good fit for giannis I think. You'd need your sg to be very good 3 point shooter (middleton is) and you'd hope giannis or bledsoe or both become above average there. Can hope Inglis 40 percent from 3 in France was legit too.

Would make it pretty easy to fill out the bench (all shooters) and we'd be amazing defensively and in transition.

Parker made 11 threes from January 22nd to the end of the season. He still hit 36%, but if the end of the season wasn't just regression but indicative, his NBA range isn't a given. Just trying to account for all outcomes.

There's a fair amount of evidence that Bledsoe is a **** shooter. In fairness, so was Kidd. If we end up with Bledsoe, I'd want him or Giannis as our Ginobli.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Sure, with 3.2 turnovers. My point was that he becomes a ball dominant guy on a bad team and we don't need that right now. Like I said, he's a useful player in the right situation.

Why does that matter when you're comparing him to Bledsoe who averaged 3.3 turnovers last season and only 5.5 assists?

Who's comparing him to Bledsoe?

I thought you were making an argument for why you wanted Bledsoe on the team, but after rereading your posts you clearly were not saying you wanted Bledsoe. You want Lin because of the assets he would come along with, or a different, cheaper option at PG to split time with Wolters.

Apologies.

[Swan Vox]

How cool would it be to end up with Bledsoe (after all the hand-wringing last year) IN ADDITION to Jabari Parker? We get EB last year and it's pretty doubtful that Parker is a Buck. Funny how things have a way of working out in the end if this happens...

[Baddy Chuck]

Sure, with 3.2 turnovers. My point was that he becomes a ball dominant guy on a bad team and we don't need that right now. Like I said, he's a useful player in the right situation.

Also had a 45% assist % that season. He can come in, keep the ball moving and put up some points when his number is called. At the right price I don't have a problem with him at all.

[Sky Bucks]

How much is a max contract for a guy like Bledsoe?

[ampd]

I also worry because this move keeps the ball out of Giannis' hands. And that there'd be a non-zero probability the only outside shooter in Bledsoe/x/Giannis/Parker/Sanders is x.

Parker can shoot.

From a ball domination standpoint bledsoe would be a pretty good fit for giannis I think. You'd need your sg to be very good 3 point shooter (middleton is) and you'd hope giannis or bledsoe or both become above average there. Can hope Inglis 40 percent from 3 in France was legit too.

Would make it pretty easy to fill out the bench (all shooters) and we'd be amazing defensively and in transition.

Parker made 11 threes from January 22nd to the end of the season. He still hit 36%, but if the end of the season wasn't just regression but indicative, his NBA range isn't a given. Just trying to account for all outcomes.

There's a fair amount of evidence that Bledsoe is a **** shooter. In fairness, so was Kidd. If we end up with Bledsoe, I'd want him or Giannis as our Ginobli.

I wouldn't put a very high percentage one the chances of Parker ending up a poor shooter. I guess I can see not taking it for granted but at worst he ends up with the range of a guy like Horford which still makes him a pretty effective floor spacer at pf.

[Treebeard]

What factor is Knights contract year this year in these discussions? This is the year correct?

[mattg]

Parker made 11 threes from January 22nd to the end of the season. He still hit 36%, but if the end of the season wasn't just regression but indicative, his NBA range isn't a given. Just trying to account for all outcomes.

There's a fair amount of evidence that Bledsoe is a **** shooter. In fairness, so was Kidd. If we end up with Bledsoe, I'd want him or Giannis as our Ginobli.

I don't think Parker's range is a question. He's strong, has nice form, and good touch on his shot, it's soft. He just took some ill advised 3s at times. Parker will be a good percentage shooter if he just takes smart shots. Not too worried about Jabari killing our spacing or anything like that.

[Serge28]

Sure, with 3.2 turnovers. My point was that he becomes a ball dominant guy on a bad team and we don't need that right now. Like I said, he's a useful player in the right situation.

Also had a 45% assist % that season. He can come in, keep the ball moving and put up some points when his number is called. At the right price I don't have a problem with him at all.

Exactly! I don't see Vasquez as a ball-stopper like Knight is. I see him as a ball-mover, like Wolters and Giannis. Ball-movers make your team better. That's why Spurs are so successful - every single guy on that team is capable of being a ball-mover. That's also why I'm in favor of keeping Zaza - he's another guy who's a ball-mover. Remember those timeouts in the Finals last month? Pops kept telling his players one thing over and over again: "Don't let the ball stick. Keep it moving." That's how you win ball games.

[ReasonablySober]

Parker and Giannis aren't hopeless from the outside. A lineup of

Bledsoe
Middleton
Giannis
Parker
Sanders

could have all the shooting you need if Parker and Giannis develop the way we think they will.

[ampd]

Sure, with 3.2 turnovers. My point was that he becomes a ball dominant guy on a bad team and we don't need that right now. Like I said, he's a useful player in the right situation.

Also had a 45% assist % that season. He can come in, keep the ball moving and put up some points when his number is called. At the right price I don't have a problem with him at all.

For the Wolters fan club I don't think we could sign a less threatening guy at pg who isn't totally useless. If Wolters is better he can beat out a guy like vasquez. If not we have a distributor type who can shoot and we will also have some huge lineups (vasquez middleton giannis Parker sanders). The guy who really gets the ball taken out of his hands is knight not nate

[Rockmaninoff]

This is why we got Jason Kidd. Recruit Bledsoe and have him force a sign and trade.

A lot of people are missing the force part of this.

If Kidd convinces Bledsoe that he's the guy to take him to the next level, then it becomes Bledsoe's agent pushing hard for the sign and trade. Then the Suns are risking matching an offer for an unhappy player, and the Bucks cost decreases.

I also like Lin, Vasquez not as much.