Will the Bucks match any offer on Middleton?

[msiris]

15 million a year for a guy who is maybe a third option on an elite team? Crazy. 10-12 is a good place for him.

[sidney moncrief]

15 million a year for a guy who is maybe a third option on an elite team? Crazy. 10-12 is a good place for him.

It's been said many times already, but 15 million after this season will be equivalent to 10-12 this year.

[SpursNBucks]

You have to get over this 3rd option on a "elite" team crap - Mids is a complete player - he is still very underrated, but the GMs in this league are starting to take notice. He is a top 5-7 2G in the NBA. Been very consistent the last 2 years. I did this comparison against Beal (who many think is a top 3-5) Beal will no doubt get a max deal next year. I think Mids will get $12/ I don't think they will have to go $15/

AGE/LONGEVITY: Beal is only 22 months younger- when you consider Beal's game rellies more on athleticism he will probably have a shorter career. Of the 3 years Beal has been in the NBA-he has missed 57 games = 28% Mids rookie year he didn't play much as a 2nd rounder, the last two years he ONLY missed 5 games or 2.4% the last 2 years Beal missed 18%

SHOOTING Both good shooters - Middleton's #'s better. (2014) TS% Beal 52% / Mids 56.3%

SIZE Beal 6'5" 207 / Mids 6'7" 225 = edge Middleton

REBOUNDING Beal - steady avg here averages about 34 minutes (last 2 years) 3.8/ Mids (same Period) 4 less minutes 4.0/
TRB% 6.4% Beal Mids 8.4% = Edge Middleton

Turnovers/possession (2014) Beal .117 Mids .108 = Advantage Mids

AST % (% ass made while on floor) Beal 15% Mids 12.7% = Advantage Beal

VI (Versatility Index) Beal 6.7 Mids 6.8 = call it even

DWS (Defensive wins Shares) -Beal 2.4 Mids 3.5 = Advantage Mids - he is a better defender.

The thing that is hard to get out of your head is that Beal came in to the NBA as a much heralded frosh and picked #3. While Mids came in as a "Who dat?" and picked #39, but when you look at the stats you can certainly make a strong case for Mids being better.

[Nebula1]

Or you could compare Middleton at 21 versus Beal at 21.

[MiltownHawkeye]

15 million a year for a guy who is maybe a third option on an elite team? Crazy. 10-12 is a good place for him.

Apparently you think another team would be a good place for him too. You do realize that $15m next year will be today's $10-12m right?

[MiltownHawkeye]

Or you could compare Middleton at 21 versus Beal at 21.

Are you ever going to explain what makes Beal a better player than Middleton today?

[Nebula1]

Or you could compare Middleton at 21 versus Beal at 21.

Are you ever going to explain what makes Beal a better player than Middleton today?

Beal can already do more on the court today than Middleton can and he's 2 years younger. Beal will be a top guard in the NBA at 23 with a stronger track record than Middleton has today. Middleton is likely to be a better defender over time but that's it. Defending Beal is vastly more difficult than defending Middleton.

But I really like what Middleton does and I'm not being down on him in any way. He's an exceptional role player similar to what Trevor Ariza does for Houston. Brad Beal is a future All Star.

[BlackKnight]

Middleton at the $15M max is a BARGAIN. I want him on the Sixers so bad but 99% chance Bucks match any offer.

He's easily a top 3 SG already (#2 SG behind Harden imo).

List of 2's that are better than Middleton:

1. Harden
2. Butler
3. Thompson
4. Matthews
5. DeRozan
6. Korver
7. Beal
8. Oladipo
9. Ellis
10. Redick
11. Gordon
12. Oladipo

Obviously some of these are very arguable but there's at least 7 or 8 SG's better than him. Let's not get carried away.

Lol everyone on your list after Korver isn't on Middleton's level. Do you realize defense is HALF the game? Middleton is the best defensive SG in the game right now. And he's also a better offensive SG than most of your list except for Harden, Klay, Butler, and Korver.

[msiris]

15 million a year for a guy who is maybe a third option on an elite team? Crazy. 10-12 is a good place for him.

Apparently you think another team would be a good place for him too. You do realize that $15m next year will be today's $10-12m right?

He is not a great player. He is above average, but he will not push us to 50 wins. I would hate to see him get that kind of money and go all Larry Sanders on us. Don't get me wrong. I like him, but is he worth that kind of money?

[Buck Dweller]

Middleton at the $15M max is a BARGAIN. I want him on the Sixers so bad but 99% chance Bucks match any offer.

He's easily a top 3 SG already (#2 SG behind Harden imo).

List of 2's that are better than Middleton:

1. Harden
2. Butler
3. Thompson
4. Matthews
5. DeRozan
6. Korver
7. Beal
8. Oladipo
9. Ellis
10. Redick
11. Gordon
12. Oladipo

Obviously some of these are very arguable but there's at least 7 or 8 SG's better than him. Let's not get carried away.

Lol everyone on your list after Korver isn't on Middleton's level. Do you realize defense is HALF the game? Middleton is the best defensive SG in the game right now. And he's also a better offensive SG than most of your list except for Harden, Klay, Butler, and Korver.

So you're saying he's better than Monta, Beal, Oladipo and DeRozan offensively? All of those guys are either 1st or 2nd options on decent offenses. Khris would be a 3-4 option if Jabari was here, he can't create his own shot and he's not even close to a playmaker. Even Giannis is a better playmaker despite being 3 years younger and not going to college. He's simply not a good offensive player outside the 41% from 3 and occasional pull up jumpers from mid range. Defensively, prove hes the best 2 in the league.

[Nebula1]

I'd take Middleton over Matthews even before the injury. Oladipo is probably stronger than Middleton over the long run.

[TroyD92]

List of 2's that are better than Middleton:

1. Harden
2. Butler
3. Thompson
4. Matthews
5. DeRozan
6. Korver
7. Beal
8. Oladipo
9. Ellis
10. Redick
11. Gordon
12. Oladipo

Obviously some of these are very arguable but there's at least 7 or 8 SG's better than him. Let's not get carried away.

Lol everyone on your list after Korver isn't on Middleton's level. Do you realize defense is HALF the game? Middleton is the best defensive SG in the game right now. And he's also a better offensive SG than most of your list except for Harden, Klay, Butler, and Korver.

So you're saying he's better than Monta, Beal, Oladipo and DeRozan offensively? All of those guys are either 1st or 2nd options on decent offenses. Khris would be a 3-4 option if Jabari was here, he can't create his own shot and hes not a playmaker. Defensively, prove hes the best 2 in the league.


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Why do you keep using Monta and Derozan? They are trash. Go ask the Raptors board how they feel about Derozan.

[ohio]

jesus christ who in their right mind would put korver over Middleton, 3% is such a small percentage of overall game...

[Buck Dweller]

Lol everyone on your list after Korver isn't on Middleton's level. Do you realize defense is HALF the game? Middleton is the best defensive SG in the game right now. And he's also a better offensive SG than most of your list except for Harden, Klay, Butler, and Korver.

So you're saying he's better than Monta, Beal, Oladipo and DeRozan offensively? All of those guys are either 1st or 2nd options on decent offenses. Khris would be a 3-4 option if Jabari was here, he can't create his own shot and hes not a playmaker. Defensively, prove hes the best 2 in the league.


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Why do you keep using Monta and Derozan? They are trash. Go ask the Raptors board how they feel about Derozan.

My point is that they are better than Middleton offensively. They can create their own shot and play make, Middleton cannot.


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[Buck Dweller]

jesus christ who in their right mind would put korver over Middleton, 3% is such a small percentage of overall game...

Korver is putting up one of the greatest shooting seasons ever and is a good defender. He can shoot opponents out of games, in fact he did that to us.


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[BlackKnight]

List of 2's that are better than Middleton:

1. Harden
2. Butler
3. Thompson
4. Matthews
5. DeRozan
6. Korver
7. Beal
8. Oladipo
9. Ellis
10. Redick
11. Gordon
12. Oladipo

Obviously some of these are very arguable but there's at least 7 or 8 SG's better than him. Let's not get carried away.

Lol everyone on your list after Korver isn't on Middleton's level. Do you realize defense is HALF the game? Middleton is the best defensive SG in the game right now. And he's also a better offensive SG than most of your list except for Harden, Klay, Butler, and Korver.

So you're saying he's better than Monta, Beal, Oladipo and DeRozan offensively? All of those guys are either 1st or 2nd options on decent offenses. Khris would be a 3-4 option if Jabari was here, he can't create his own shot and he's not even close to a playmaker. Even Giannis is a better playmaker despite being 3 years younger and not going to college. He's simply not a good offensive player outside the 41% from 3 and occasional pull up jumpers from mid range. Defensively, prove hes the best 2 in the league.

Derozan + Ellis are inefficient chuckers that are horrible 1st/2nd options and should be relegated to being 3rd/4th options.

And Middleton had a higher ORPM than Beal or Oladipo this year. Now, I do think Oladipo will eventually be a better offensive player than Middleton but this year Middleton was the better offensive player.

[Nebula1]

jesus christ who in their right mind would put korver over Middleton, 3% is such a small percentage of overall game...

Korver is a freakin monster.

[TroyD92]

So you're saying he's better than Monta, Beal, Oladipo and DeRozan offensively? All of those guys are either 1st or 2nd options on decent offenses. Khris would be a 3-4 option if Jabari was here, he can't create his own shot and hes not a playmaker. Defensively, prove hes the best 2 in the league.


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Why do you keep using Monta and Derozan? They are trash. Go ask the Raptors board how they feel about Derozan.

My point is that they are better than Middleton offensively. They can create their own shot and play make, Middleton cannot.


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Monta can, Derozan can not.

[pe_it72]

You must of forgot that we've had Ellis before? For the same money I am taking Middleton every day. Just because he doesn't demand the ball or dribble it for 12 seconds straight in an iso situation 10 times a game doesn't make him less of a player.

There is a reason advanced stat guys love him. Because the things he does are not all measured by highlight plays.

[HurricaneKid]

Or you could compare Middleton at 21 versus Beal at 21.

Are you ever going to explain what makes Beal a better player than Middleton today?

Beal can already do more on the court today than Middleton can and he's 2 years younger. Beal will be a top guard in the NBA at 23 with a stronger track record than Middleton has today. Middleton is likely to be a better defender over time but that's it. Defending Beal is vastly more difficult than defending Middleton.

But I really like what Middleton does and I'm not being down on him in any way. He's an exceptional role player similar to what Trevor Ariza does for Houston. Brad Beal is a future All Star.

I don't understand the love affair with Beal. He certainly may grow to become a better player but he isn't even close now.

He shoots worse (about exactly the same from 3 but Mids is far more efficient from inside the arc), turns the ball over more, rebounds less, isn't in the same statosphere defensively, etc.

I'm honestly taken aback at your position on this. Does Beal do more? Sure. But he doesn't do any of it well. Middleton has found his role and it is among the most valuable roles there are. Elite shooting with elite defense is far more valuable than being the 50th-75th best player at breaking down a defense. Because when you pair Middleton with someone who can break down a defense there is not way to defend it.