PG: Bulls stampede Bucks

[HKPackFan]

, and could also have a negative affect on his game.

Interesting. Thanks.

I wonder what the key is to Giannis having these passive games? I can't find any rhyme or reason to it.

I really hope this isn't the case, and this is total speculation.

Others have mentioned this in the past, but I wonder if Giannis feels pressure from Kidd and maybe even Mids to get others involved more. If so, I could see how that may make him more passive instead of trying to score himself and being aggressive.

In the past, Kidd has said that all the players are created equal on the team. But in reality, that's BS. Giannis is a star. Kidd needs to embrace that, and his teammates need to realize this too. Everyone should know by now this is Giannis' team. Let him play his game.

Others have also questioned if his teammates have become jealous of him. Who knows if that's true, but if it is, then that's pretty pathetic, and could have a negative affect on his game.

If Giannis' passiveness is 100% on him, then Kidd needs to address that. But this is also the same coach who literally told him he didn't want him shooting any 3's, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

If I had to guess, I'd say it was more of a function of Giannis being unsure what his role is at certain times rather than any pressure to get others more involved. Very similar to what you said, but I think there's a meaningful distinction.

Part of that is on Kidd and the offensive scheme he's installed, and I have no doubt you're right that in some instances, Kidd wants him to be more of a distributor.
But part of it is probably also due to Giannis and the limitations of his game- it's hard for to find a consistent, night-in-and-night-out role for a guy with his skill-set.

Also, I suspect Giannis is at times less confident than it may seem- as hard as that may be for us to believe. He's a hard worker, so there's no doubt he's hard on himself. And he's still a young man, trying to operate in a foreign culture in a sport at the highest level- that's tough! There's likely a good deal more uncertainty in him than us fans can see.

If by Kidd's scheme you mean, rolling the ball onto the middle of the court and saying, ok go!

[har13]

Every game is the same,when the game starts the ball is in Giannis hands,when Monroe replace Thon the ball must go to his hands,then Delly,at the end of the half even with Giannis in the ball goes to Brogdon hands and Giannis is the screener or the guy in the corner and he is completely out of the game,Khris is the guy who can take the ball when ever he wants, always.

I'm not saying this is good or bad but Kidd is trying too much to control the game and make all of them happy,i believed that Giannis is too passive at times,now i'm sure that this is not only his fault,its a combination of him not feeling good sometimes and follow what the coaches ask him to do,i can't believe even when he is great at the 1q its his fault that he always look passive at the 2q,the results proves that the opposite teams come back at the end of the half ,always,why?maybe its on him(Giannis) that he looks more passive than he should,maybe he can't accept it?i don't know,its Kidd job to see why this is not working,if its Giannis fault he must make him understand his role,if its not good because the other guys can't keep the same tempo then he must stop doing it.

[JimmyTheKid]

Kidd's rotations are just a mess still. Having to go to Hawes to end the 1st half because Kidd had already played Monroe 13 minutes straight was a huge reason why Chicago even got back in the game.

And save me the "we were due for a bad game" bs. We were flat out embarrassing defensively in this one. Brogdon and Giannis the two main culprits. I'm pretty sure we've never seen Rondo and Mirotic play before today.

While we most definitely were due for a bad game I have to agree with the bolded part. Its tough, though. Right now Thon is such a liability on the offensive end. But the difference between him and Hawes defensively is the the difference between contested shots and wide-the-f**k-open shots.

[JimmyTheKid]

Turned it off when Middleton was crying to the ref after a bad shot attempt not only leading to a wide open 3 by jimmy but a tech afterwords.

He got bodied on a jumper right in front of the ref. That foul is called on every level including pick up.

[Prez]

I just don't understand why sometimes Giannis refuses to call for screens. Like when a guy like Butler is glued to him he goes into this "Ok, this is fine, I guess this is happening now" mode and the offense turns into him camping up top and basically waiting for cutters, or Middleton/Monroe isos. He consistently wrecks teams coming off picks but for some reason we randomly stop setting them for him in games. That's partially on coaching but I mean at some point Giannis needs to read the defense better and take things into his own hands.

[Max Green]

We win this game if we had Jabari Parker.

[greekbuck34]

I just don't understand why sometimes Giannis refuses to call for screens. Like when a guy like Butler is glued to him he goes into this "Ok, this is fine, I guess this is happening now" mode and the offense turns into him camping up top and basically waiting for cutters, or Middleton/Monroe isos. He consistently wrecks teams coming off picks but for some reason we randomly stop setting them for him in games. That's partially on coaching but I mean at some point Giannis needs to read the defense better and take things into his own hands.

This is our primary not-Giannis play. We are doing it all year. Teams know that Giannis will eventually pass and since he is not a threat up there with his back on the board they won't use double team on him. Last night it had some sense because we were removing Butler from their defense but in the end removing Giannis from our offense was twice as bad since Brogdon and Middleton were not enough.

The Bulls instead gave the ball to Butler and "allowed" him first to try either by iso or PNR to beat our defense. When he couldn't go farther inside he was attracting our stupid double team and then he either passed it to open man or shot a bad fadeaway shot.

Last night everytime Giannis attacked he either went to the free throw line or scored with the exception of a couple plays when he didn't get the call.

[VooDoo7]

We win this game if we had Jabari Parker.

[HKPackFan]

We win this game if we had Jabari Parker.

I do miss Jabari bully balling on butler and quoting.
.. That mother **** is strong!

*sigh*

[BucksPackers]

Ya Parker would of fit right in with that **** defense we were playing.

Giannis after the first quarter changed his entire game. He was doing whatever he wanted out there and then just stopped doing it. What happened??

[BucksTuga]

24 hours later I still can't understand the decision of double-teaming Butler every time, no matter the context. We were 3-0 against them without that strategy, so why the hell try that now?!

[BucksPackers]

24 hours later I still can't understand the decision of double-teaming Butler every time, no matter the context. We were 3-0 against them without that strategy, so why the hell try that now?!

Giannis kept leaving McBuckets wide open. Killed us that game.

[sidney lanier]

I wonder what the key is to Giannis having these passive games? I can't find any rhyme or reason to it.

I really hope this isn't the case, and this is total speculation.

Others have mentioned this in the past, but I wonder if Giannis feels pressure from Kidd and maybe even Mids to get others involved more. If so, I could see how that may make him more passive instead of trying to score himself and being aggressive.

In the past, Kidd has said that all the players are created equal on the team. But in reality, that's BS. Giannis is a star. Kidd needs to embrace that, and his teammates need to realize this too. Everyone should know by now this is Giannis' team. Let him play his game.

Others have also questioned if his teammates have become jealous of him. Who knows if that's true, but if it is, then that's pretty pathetic, and could have a negative affect on his game.

If Giannis' passiveness is 100% on him, then Kidd needs to address that. But this is also the same coach who literally told him he didn't want him shooting any 3's, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

I like this post, and I commend you for starting to come around to a more balanced view of Jason Kidd. True, in it you wonder whether he's pressuring our star player into poor play, you call his suggestion that all players on a team are equal BS, you say he has not yet embraced Giannis' role as team leader, and you suggest that Giannis' occasional on-court passivity might be related to the time a couple of years ago when Kidd told Giannis not to shoot threes.

But the crazy, monomaniacal, gotta-get-the-white-whale obsession seems to be fading.

How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale Jason Kidd is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. He tasks me; he heaps me; I see in him outrageous strength, with an inscrutable malice sinewing it. That inscrutable thing is chiefly what I hate; and be the white whale Jason Kidd agent, or be the white whale Jason Kidd principal, I will wreak that hate upon him.

I like dislike; it's irrational hatred that gets tiresome.

[thomchatt3rton]

I wonder what the key is to Giannis having these passive games? I can't find any rhyme or reason to it.

I really hope this isn't the case, and this is total speculation.

Others have mentioned this in the past, but I wonder if Giannis feels pressure from Kidd and maybe even Mids to get others involved more. If so, I could see how that may make him more passive instead of trying to score himself and being aggressive.

In the past, Kidd has said that all the players are created equal on the team. But in reality, that's BS. Giannis is a star. Kidd needs to embrace that, and his teammates need to realize this too. Everyone should know by now this is Giannis' team. Let him play his game.

Others have also questioned if his teammates have become jealous of him. Who knows if that's true, but if it is, then that's pretty pathetic, and could have a negative affect on his game.

If Giannis' passiveness is 100% on him, then Kidd needs to address that. But this is also the same coach who literally told him he didn't want him shooting any 3's, so I wouldn't hold my breath.

I like this post, and I commend you for starting to come around to a more balanced view of Jason Kidd. True, in it you wonder whether he's pressuring our star player into poor play, you call his suggestion that all players on a team are equal BS, you say he has not yet embraced Giannis' role as team leader, and you suggest that Giannis' occasional on-court passivity might be related to the time a couple of years ago when Kidd told Giannis not to shoot threes.

But the crazy, monomaniacal, gotta-get-the-white-whale obsession seems to be fading.

How can the prisoner reach outside except by thrusting through the wall? To me, the white whale Jason Kidd is that wall, shoved near to me. Sometimes I think there's naught beyond. But 'tis enough. He tasks me; he heaps me; I see in him outrageous strength, with an inscrutable malice sinewing it. That inscrutable thing is chiefly what I hate; and be the white whale Jason Kidd agent, or be the white whale Jason Kidd principal, I will wreak that hate upon him.

I like dislike; it's irrational hatred that gets tiresome.

I never would have though that a Melville quote- well-selected and expertly wielded- could be fatal. Now I know better.

I'm not sure it's entirely fair to Voodoo.. But it doesn't matter now because he's surely dead.

ETA "that inscrutable thing...be [it] agent or be [it] principal..." Well done, Lanier.

[coolhandluke121]

We win this game if we had Jabari Parker.

[BucksPackers]

Ever since Mids name was brought up in this Global Thread he has played like **** lol. Best second Banana lol......

[coolhandluke121]

Regarding debates on Giannis's decision-making and passiveness, it probably has something to do with coaching and teammates and his lack of a jumper, but overall I think the main point is that he's just not a floor general. He's much more like Westbrook than CP3. I think the pg experiment only worked in the sense that he was much better than Knight, Bayless, or MCW, which isn't saying much. Ultimately he needs to play with someone who knows how to ration out shots, get people the ball where they want it, and take some of the play-making burden off of him. His game should be more about finishing, not running the offense. He will still get plenty of chances to score and get assists, but without so much wasted time with the ball in his hands.

[Wooderson]

Right now Giannis doesn't have the ball enough to be a primary creator and volume scorer. Can't remember who posted it, but someone with a connection said the Bucks think it's too physically taxing on him (which somewhat makes sense given his defensive responsibilities and the fact that he works harder than most for his points).

Also Monroe is a really poor fit next Giannis and doesn't make his life any easier. He clogs the paint and doesn't offer much value in a PnR or PnPop. Defenders obviously don't respect him if he pops off a screen nor does his defender have to stay glued to him if he rolls to the rim as he's such a slow/poor finisher. Way too often Giannis is given possession on the wing with Monroe posting up on the same side of the court. That's just setting him up for failure. It sucks that our only decent C is probably the worst possible fit next to our best player. Monroe caps the ceiling of this team. As Giannis/Khris continue to develop and mesh and we find the right role players around them, the need for his scoring and therefore his value will continue to diminish.

[SirChurros]

When is the novelty of starting Thon going to wear off?

Dude sucks right now. He shouldn't be seeing the floor in the middle of a playoff push.

[MilHammer]

Defense was shoddy and we couldnt hit our shots.
In regards to Giannis, I just think he has these types of games because he still has pretty glaring weaknesses. If you put a high level wing defender on him who sags off a bit, and if defenses are good at having a secondary defender check him, Giannis doesn't have much room to drive. If they can limit turnovers and transitions, Giannis can't run. Sure, there are some nights when Giannis is transcendent and you could put three Kawhis on him and hes still gonna put up 30. But if ball movement stagnates, Giannis' game becomes way harder to execute