Hammond to ORL: Confirmed by ownership

[blazza18]

The fact that there's people that think Hammond was anything other than a train wreck is fascinating to me.

Years from now, I think we will look back at Hammond's tenure and view him much more favorably than he is viewed now.

Years from now fathers will be telling their sons about how one man was able to keep his job for 10 years despite being really mediocre all because he was a nice guy.

Sometimes the good guy actually does win.

[Wooderson]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

We traded Dan Gadzuric for an even worse contract in Corey Maggette, who had three years and $31 million left on his deal, when the Bucks only owed $11 million to Gadz and Bell. So, no, that wasn't a good trade at all.

And the mistakes we made with Salmons, Gadz, Bell, and Maggette ended up leading to the horrendous CHA-SAC-MIL trade in 2011, in which the Bucks essentially moved from the 10th pick down to the 19th and had to swallow Stephen Jackson in order to extricate themselves from the Salmons and Maggette mistakes. So, no, that wasn't "tremendous" at all.

And we essentially took on an extra $8 million by agreeing to move Simmons for Richard Jefferson, who we later had to dump.

We essentially turned the 10th pick in the 2011 draft into 2 months of Redick (not to mention attaching SJax to Bogut and dragging down his value). Just pitiful. And it all dates back to that horrible offseason after the FTD year.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

obviously being the worst free agent destination in the league hasn't helped..... but meddling owners and coaches for all 9 years has made it worse. even besides all that he STILL would have had perennial playoff teams if not for redd, bogut, sanders, parker, and middleton being lost for seasons at a time if not their careers.

this guy gets it

[Baddy Chuck]

It's a shame Hammond couldn't get Josh Smith for that Giannis pick and extend Jennings instead of getting Midds/Knight like he wanted.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

We traded Dan Gadzuric for an even worse contract in Corey Maggette, who had three years and $31 million left on his deal, when the Bucks only owed $11 million to Gadz and Bell. So, no, that wasn't a good trade at all.

And the mistakes we made with Salmons, Gadz, Bell, and Maggette ended up leading to the horrendous CHA-SAC-MIL trade in 2011, in which the Bucks essentially moved from the 10th pick down to the 19th and had to swallow Stephen Jackson in order to extricate themselves from the Salmons and Maggette mistakes. So, no, that wasn't "tremendous" at all.

And we essentially took on an extra $8 million by agreeing to move Simmons for Richard Jefferson, who we later had to dump.

I like how you conveniently leave out parts of those deals that makes them much better for the Bucks

i.e. trading Maggette one year later and getting some nice pieces for him, Salmons, and Jimmer Freaking Fredette
as for getting rid of Stephen Jackson, he was gone...and off the books a year later...and got Tobias Harris for his troubles

so he completely shed those deals

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

Kidd wanted Vasquez - so that's Hammond's fault
Kidd wanted MCW - so that's Hammond's fault

amirite?

[humanrefutation]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

We traded Dan Gadzuric for an even worse contract in Corey Maggette, who had three years and $31 million left on his deal, when the Bucks only owed $11 million to Gadz and Bell. So, no, that wasn't a good trade at all.

And the mistakes we made with Salmons, Gadz, Bell, and Maggette ended up leading to the horrendous CHA-SAC-MIL trade in 2011, in which the Bucks essentially moved from the 10th pick down to the 19th and had to swallow Stephen Jackson in order to extricate themselves from the Salmons and Maggette mistakes. So, no, that wasn't "tremendous" at all.

And we essentially took on an extra $8 million by agreeing to move Simmons for Richard Jefferson, who we later had to dump.

I like how you conveniently leave out parts of those deals that makes them much better for the Bucks

i.e. trading Maggette one year later and getting some nice pieces for him, Salmons, and Jimmer Freaking Fredette
as for getting rid of Stephen Jackson, he was gone...and off the books a year later...and got Tobias Harris for his troubles

so he completely shed those deals

I didn't leave anything conveniently out. You just have a trollish way of re-evaluating history which is so completely asinine that it completely crushes any ounce of credibility that you have. It almost makes me wonder if you work for Hammond.

I mean, the fact that you think we got "nice pieces" for Maggette and Salmons when we **** MOVED DOWN FROM THE 10TH PICK TO THE 19TH PICK IN THE **** TRADE is an example of how idiotic your take is.

[Baddy Chuck]

Kidd wanted Vasquez - so that's Hammond's fault
Kidd wanted MCW - so that's Hammond's fault

amirite?

No, it's probably a bit of Hammond's fault that we gave up about 5x more than each of those guys were worth though.

[Wooderson]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

We traded Dan Gadzuric for an even worse contract in Corey Maggette, who had three years and $31 million left on his deal, when the Bucks only owed $11 million to Gadz and Bell. So, no, that wasn't a good trade at all.

And the mistakes we made with Salmons, Gadz, Bell, and Maggette ended up leading to the horrendous CHA-SAC-MIL trade in 2011, in which the Bucks essentially moved from the 10th pick down to the 19th and had to swallow Stephen Jackson in order to extricate themselves from the Salmons and Maggette mistakes. So, no, that wasn't "tremendous" at all.

And we essentially took on an extra $8 million by agreeing to move Simmons for Richard Jefferson, who we later had to dump.

I like how you conveniently leave out parts of those deals that makes them much better for the Bucks

i.e. trading Maggette one year later and getting some nice pieces for him, Salmons, and Jimmer Freaking Fredette
as for getting rid of Stephen Jackson, he was gone...and off the books a year later...and got Tobias Harris for his troubles

so he completely shed those deals

Where exactly are the positives? Maggette and Jackson gave us nothing. So was it Beno Udrih shooting sub 30% from 3? Livingston is the only "positive" I can think, and he had mediocre production for like half a season.

I fail to see how Tobias is a positive. Hammond traded down to once again try and fix his own mistake. Then he barely plays and is traded for 2 months of Redick (while we were the 8th seed with a **** interim head coach).

So again, where are the positives?

[humanrefutation]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

We traded Dan Gadzuric for an even worse contract in Corey Maggette, who had three years and $31 million left on his deal, when the Bucks only owed $11 million to Gadz and Bell. So, no, that wasn't a good trade at all.

And the mistakes we made with Salmons, Gadz, Bell, and Maggette ended up leading to the horrendous CHA-SAC-MIL trade in 2011, in which the Bucks essentially moved from the 10th pick down to the 19th and had to swallow Stephen Jackson in order to extricate themselves from the Salmons and Maggette mistakes. So, no, that wasn't "tremendous" at all.

And we essentially took on an extra $8 million by agreeing to move Simmons for Richard Jefferson, who we later had to dump.

I like how you conveniently leave out parts of those deals that makes them much better for the Bucks

i.e. trading Maggette one year later and getting some nice pieces for him, Salmons, and Jimmer Freaking Fredette
as for getting rid of Stephen Jackson, he was gone...and off the books a year later...and got Tobias Harris for his troubles

so he completely shed those deals

Where exactly are the positives? Maggette and Jackson gave us nothing. So was it Beno Udrih shooting sub 30% from 3? Livingston is the only "positive" I can think, and he was mediocre.

Funny you bring up Tobias since we barely played him and then traded him for 2 months of Redick (while we were the 8th seed with a **** interim head coach).

So again, where are the positive?

And we **** traded down in the goddamn trade. If we were so invested in Tobias, we could have taken him at 10. Or, taken Klay Thompson, who went 11. Or Kawhi Leonard, who went 15.

[KidA24]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

We traded Dan Gadzuric for an even worse contract in Corey Maggette, who had three years and $31 million left on his deal, when the Bucks only owed $11 million to Gadz and Bell. So, no, that wasn't a good trade at all.

And the mistakes we made with Salmons, Gadz, Bell, and Maggette ended up leading to the horrendous CHA-SAC-MIL trade in 2011, in which the Bucks essentially moved from the 10th pick down to the 19th and had to swallow Stephen Jackson in order to extricate themselves from the Salmons and Maggette mistakes. So, no, that wasn't "tremendous" at all.

And we essentially took on an extra $8 million by agreeing to move Simmons for Richard Jefferson, who we later had to dump.

I like how you conveniently leave out parts of those deals that makes them much better for the Bucks

i.e. trading Maggette one year later and getting some nice pieces for him, Salmons, and Jimmer Freaking Fredette
as for getting rid of Stephen Jackson, he was gone...and off the books a year later...and got Tobias Harris for his troubles

so he completely shed those deals

They traded Klay Thompson (who they would've picked) to dump those bad deals and got Tobias Harris as a result.

That's a horrible deal.

[Matches Malone]

Sure didn't take us long to find a topic to b#tch at each other about.

[humanrefutation]

You obviously don't know what you're talking about.

We traded Dan Gadzuric for an even worse contract in Corey Maggette, who had three years and $31 million left on his deal, when the Bucks only owed $11 million to Gadz and Bell. So, no, that wasn't a good trade at all.

And the mistakes we made with Salmons, Gadz, Bell, and Maggette ended up leading to the horrendous CHA-SAC-MIL trade in 2011, in which the Bucks essentially moved from the 10th pick down to the 19th and had to swallow Stephen Jackson in order to extricate themselves from the Salmons and Maggette mistakes. So, no, that wasn't "tremendous" at all.

And we essentially took on an extra $8 million by agreeing to move Simmons for Richard Jefferson, who we later had to dump.

I like how you conveniently leave out parts of those deals that makes them much better for the Bucks

i.e. trading Maggette one year later and getting some nice pieces for him, Salmons, and Jimmer Freaking Fredette
as for getting rid of Stephen Jackson, he was gone...and off the books a year later...and got Tobias Harris for his troubles

so he completely shed those deals

They traded Klay Thompson (who they would've picked) to dump Stephen Jackson and got Tobias Harris as a result.

That's a horrible deal.

Nah, they actually acquired Stephen Jackson in that trade. They dumped Salmons and Maggette.

They ended up moving Jackson in the Bogut trade for Monta Ellis, and Hammond was offered the pick of Ellis or Steph Curry and obviously chose wrong.

I mean, recalling all of his **** is giving me flashbacks to some of the worst periods of my Bucks fandom.

[tski1972]

Hammond has pretty much said he wants to cut back on work and the Bucks already have Zanik waiting to take over beginning next off season.

Not sure what the story is here.

[Baddy Chuck]

Sure didn't take us long to find a topic to b#tch at each other about.

Any time you can argue about a dude who already lost his job the better.

[xTitan]

If Hammond has been told what to do through 2 regimes, has been handcuffed, forced into terrible decisions, made to sign players to awful contracts, basically had his genius stifled at every turn.......and decided to stay with the company 9 years...I have no respect for his as a man. Plus he has no clue how to build a team.

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

again...when you're dumping salary, getting anything in the form of Livingston and Tobias is a victory.

and it's always been understood that trading Tobias for Reddick was a Herb Kohl directive. blaming Hammond for that is just unfair.

[Baddy Chuck]

again...when you're dumping salary, getting anything in the form of Livingston and Tobias is a victory

Even when you're giving up Klay Thompson and Steph Curry to do so?

[Jimmmycrackcorn]

again...when you're dumping salary, getting anything in the form of Livingston and Tobias is a victory

Even when you're giving up Klay Thompson and Steph Curry to do so?

yes, steph was offered... sucks that they chose monta instead

at the time though, steph had the glass ankle problem and lots of people were scared off



and yes, not picking Klay...or Kawhi...sucks. But again, trying to get rid of terrible contracts costs.

[Baddy Chuck]

and yes, not picking Klay...or Kawhi...sucks. But again, trying to get rid of terrible contracts costs.

Yeah, sucks he had to clean up Larry Harris' mess.