Game 8: Bucks at Clips - 9:00 - FSN/ESPN - Kawhi Out

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Termine said that based on this, he's not going to put Kawhi on his MVP ballot this year, regardless of what else he does this season. Said he'll listen to MVP arguments for LeBron, Giannis, AD, etc, but he's not going there for Kawhi.

This opinion makes me laugh. You think Kawhi or the Clippers really give a **** by this? The goal is to win a title. That's why you play the game.

he did the exact same thing last year and won a chip and finals mvp. this is what hes going to do and it makes him even more dangerous that he isn't emotional about it like the fans wish he was. Giannis wanting to play 250 games a year for 40 minutes isn't a good thing

and as far as management and money goes its always the same thing. bosses want workers to work more for the same money. workers want to work less for that money. if the worker has leverage in a union or because of their skills then why wouldnt a worker want to work less and still get paid the same. the older players all talk about how it was in the old days but there isnt a single one of them that wouldnt trade that for today. in this case there isnt an issue..... its a scientific fact that workers are more productive the more time off they have. in sport that is even compounded

[Perishable517]

Too bad they didn't believe in load management T back in the 80s with Moncrief.

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[Perishable517]

Meh, Jordan played all 82, averaging 37 minutes in his final season at age 39.

Conversely, Jordan wore size circus tent stonewashed denim and sported a Hitler mustache because he found it dashing.

Gold!

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[drone3]

The biggest contradiction in the NBA is cracking down on PEDS. If they want these guys playing every game to appease the fans and the media wouldn't it be more beneficial to allow PEDS to slip under the radar?

[MAC1987]

The biggest contradiction in the NBA is cracking down on PEDS. If they want these guys playing every game to appease the fans and the media wouldn't it be more beneficial to allow PEDS to slip under the radar?

Only speculation, but take a look at NBA players, alot of them are in insanely good shape. My guess is they do allow them to take something that helps them significantly.
You dont get in that good of shape and stay healthy by simply taking normal supplements.
I mean look at Giannis, you think thats good old hard work, vitamins, protein and whatever else?

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[jimmybones]

How is anyone questioning load management with how fresh Kawhi looked down the stretch vs a Bucks team that looked like they scratched and clawed to win the regular season title?

Rings and logic > fans feelings

[ReasonablySober]

The last thing I want to hear or read is about the guys in the 80s and 90s playing more games/minutes. It was a different sport and no where near as taxing on the body.

So I get load management. This a sport that is rough as hell on the body.

That said, Kawhi had two days off. I wish he would take tomorrow off instead of tonight.

[PintSizedBox10]

It’s a game of basketball. I don’t think he’ll get too tired

[DanoMac]

Like others have said, I don't think there's anything wrong necessarily with load management, but the timing of it is just weird. Just wait until PG is back to rest Kawhi, at least give yourself a chance.

[Rockmaninoff]

Eddie Johnson then talked regarding how and when does Kawhi know he's "100%" and laments the many times he (Eddie) was banged up and having a hard time getting out of bed, but he made it to the arena and did his job.

Well, based upon the statement the Clippers/NBA released today, Kawhi is so injured that he's unable to play tonight, but they know with complete certainty that he will be 100% tomorrow.

[th87]

Yeah, I've always thought the resting/load management stuff was pretty garbage. I could understand an old Duncan needing rest, sure he gets a pass (Pop then took it to the extremes with other players), but one of the game's premiere players taking nights off in his prime is ****. Fans pay money to see them, superstars drive the revenue. For road games when 'load management' incidents pop up, fans have made these ticket purchases way in advance and then they are out of luck. An injury occurs and the superstar is out, the fans can accept that. Resting, pure nonsense. His PTO is the rest of the year.

Oh and Leonard still gets paid an absurd amount of money for it too, lol. They're almost all on some kind of gear, he can survive playing an effing game for 60 minutes at 28 years old. "injured"

~~IBM NBA Load Management~~..they're not servers.

Players don't owe fans anything and vice versa. Especially since today, gate revenue is a drop in the bucket compared to the TV contracts that have paid out already.

A team's only goal is to win a championship. Considerations secondary to that are disregarded.

[th87]

Meh?


I think most on this board understand this from a pure basketball perspective. Being that the ultimate goal of winning a championship is more important than an early November Giannis/Kawhi matchup. But the casual NBA fan doesn't. That fan, who has kids with Kawhi Leonard jersey's and posters all over his wall, who possibly just spent hundreds, maybe thousands on tickets to see this. It's complete BS, especially this early in the year. 2nd time in 8 games.

from a business perspective. If I spend a ton of money with ESPN, TNT, or local TV during this game, only to find out he's sitting out, which affects viewerships and ratings, I'm livid. There several different ways that makes this ridiculous. It's not like the dude is 34 with his knees filling up with fluid. I'm glad Doris Burke spoke out on this without toeing the company line.

then the casual fan needs to get it and dad needs to explain it. basketball players may not play 82 games maybe only 60. pitchers dont get 500 innings anymore. maybe 200. these guys make 30-40-50 million dollars a year to win championships and career longevity is a HUUUUGE concern. kawhi gets hurt or ends his career then that kid doesn't want to come to ANY games.

bottom line is the dad needs to teach the kid and tell him not to throw a **** fit. go root for shamet and the other young guys and talk up how exciting its going to be in april and may for years to come

Who said any kid is throwing a fit? They are probably bummed as hell! And their dad is even more bummed for their kid.

I would love you as one of my customers. Hey Man, I know we talked about buying this product. But, it's not really available this week. It's not that I don't have it to give you, I just don't really feel like giving it to you today, I'm kind of tired. So can I just give you the knock off version for the same price??

No? That upsets you? You want a discount now? Wow, who raised you? Quit your BITCHING and stop throwing a **** fit!


Spare me the tough guy, life isn't fair approach. Like I said, it's not like he's injured or old and banged up. This is bad for the league and there isn't any argument that justifies that it isn't.

There is always the freedom to take business elsewhere. The NBA doesn't need the individual fan, as long as the TV contracts are paid. Hence the whole China freakout - that was going to affect future contracts.

[ReasonablySober]

Yeah, I've always thought the resting/load management stuff was pretty garbage. I could understand an old Duncan needing rest, sure he gets a pass (Pop then took it to the extremes with other players), but one of the game's premiere players taking nights off in his prime is ****. Fans pay money to see them, superstars drive the revenue. For road games when 'load management' incidents pop up, fans have made these ticket purchases way in advance and then they are out of luck. An injury occurs and the superstar is out, the fans can accept that. Resting, pure nonsense. His PTO is the rest of the year.

Oh and Leonard still gets paid an absurd amount of money for it too, lol. They're almost all on some kind of gear, he can survive playing an effing game for 60 minutes at 28 years old. "injured"

~~IBM NBA Load Management~~..they're not servers.

Players don't owe fans anything and vice versa. Especially since today, gate revenue is a drop in the bucket compared to the TV contracts that have paid out already.

A team's only goal is to win a championship. Considerations secondary to that are disregarded.

I feel like there's gotta be a way to work with the league, TV Networks, and the teams to help out the fans, though. Everyone with an inkling to see a game circles the ones on their calendar that they want to check out. If you want to see a Kawhi vs Giannis matchup and you pay a 400% premium for a game only to see him sit out for load management, you're gonna be pissed and rightly so.

The league and networks can do better at not scheduling back to backs on national networks. Teams can do better at identifying before the season the games they plan on holding stars out. Teams can also offer perks to ticket buyers who go to a game expecting a battle of stars and instead get to watch those guys in suits.

[Prez]

Only annoyed at the Kawhi stuff because it's going to make me so much saltier now if we lose lol. I get the frustration but I'm not dying to see Kawhi play.

[steger_3434]

The last thing I want to hear or read is about the guys in the 80s and 90s playing more games/minutes. It was a different sport and no where near as taxing on the body.

So I get load management. This a sport that is rough as hell on the body.

That said, Kawhi had two days off. I wish he would take tomorrow off instead of tonight.

You mean today’s game where people find some of the flagrant fouls handed out hilarious? Today’s nba that has less back to backs? Today’s nba where almost everyone playing are friends? I know your around my age so you know the 80s and 90s games, but damn. Back then guys got straight up clotheslined when going up for a dunk and only then was a flagrant called


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[M-C-G]

It’s simple, only allow load management on away games.

The league probably prefers if you load management, do it at home. If Giannis sits for a home game, attendance is still good even against a team like Memphis. If Giannis sits IN Memphis, attendance would suck and fans that bought a ticket to see Giannis would be pissed.

If I'm a team, I want my best player playing at home, rewarding the home town fans.

Kid, totally agree. But the teams and the league don't want the same things, frankly the league doesn't want any of it, but if they were to pick, it would be play on the road and sit at home.

[El Duderino]

The last thing I want to hear or read is about the guys in the 80s and 90s playing more games/minutes. It was a different sport and no where near as taxing on the body.

Back then, more back to back games, three games in four nights type of road trips, less luxurious travel conditions compared to today, and on the court, a more physical sport than what is now allowed. Not buying that it's tougher on today's players.

That said, not all athletes are built the same. Some can physically handle playing lots of minutes nearly every game without breaking down, while others can't. Given the huge amount of money stars make and their importance to team's success, those teams need to understand as much as possible the physical makeup of their best players, and adjust accordingly rest wise.

[steger_3434]

This comes down to the league marketing players instead of teams. When you market kawhi vs giannis and kawhi sits you’ve fooled your audience. This is where mlb and the nfl succeeds. It wasn’t Rodgers vs rivers last week. It was the packers vs the chargers. I hate how the nba is star driven instead of team driven, but the players and bandwagon fans love it. The players do at least while signing contracts and then sitting to rest 25% of the games 7 games in


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[steger_3434]

Just wondering why a guy like “illyosova” doesn’t need load management games. Average nba players that play every game and do WAY MORE dirty work don’t need to rest but stars do?


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[M-C-G]

The last thing I want to hear or read is about the guys in the 80s and 90s playing more games/minutes. It was a different sport and no where near as taxing on the body.

So I get load management. This a sport that is rough as hell on the body.

That said, Kawhi had two days off. I wish he would take tomorrow off instead of tonight.

You mean today’s game where people find some of the flagrant fouls handed out hilarious? Today’s nba that has less back to backs? Today’s nba where almost everyone playing are friends? I know your around my age so you know the 80s and 90s games, but damn. Back then guys got straight up clotheslined when going up for a dunk and only then was a flagrant called


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The flagrants, replay and challenges are abhorrent. I'm not saying the game should be 80's bad boys, but this is getting out of hand and adding way too much time for nothingburgers.