Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - Joe Johnson workout, pg 97

[coolhandluke121]

It's probably true that Donte would be his "best" as a 26 mpg 6th man type, but the dearth of talent on this roster (and relative inability to add more) means that he's going to get more to do than just that. Probably not fair to hold against him that he has to be the team's 4th best player just because the rest of the team 5-15 is poop.

I mean even being the 4th-best player would be fine if the rest of the team 5-15 wasn't, as you so accurately stated, poop. If he should be a 6th man, it's not because he's not good enough to start but because they should try to have a good player on the bench instead of in a starting lineup that already has one of the best big 3's in the league.

[Wonka]

It's probably true that Donte would be his "best" as a 26 mpg 6th man type, but the dearth of talent on this roster (and relative inability to add more) means that he's going to get more to do than just that. Probably not fair to hold against him that he has to be the team's 4th best player just because the rest of the team 5-15 is poop.

I mean even being the 4th-best player would be fine if the rest of the team 5-15 wasn't, as you so accurately stated, poop. If he should be a 6th man, it's not because he's not good enough to start but because they should try to have a good player on the bench instead of in a starting lineup that already has one of the best big 3's in the league.

This is exactly why I was advocating for Forbes to start earlier in the season. With what we have at this moment, Bryn is best suited to be hid in our first unit and Donte is best suited to own our second unit along with Bobby.

[LuessiT]

Some good players to target with a DDV+ package:

Rozier
Lavine
Jerami Grant
Valanciunas
Vucevic
Myles Turner
Harrison Barnes

Obviously the details would vary greatly depending on the other players and contracts involved, but I'm just posting this to show that I'm not close-minded about trading DDV despite being one of his biggest fans.

TBH I don't view JV, Turner or Barnes as enough of an upgrade to.trade DDV.
Generally none bar Giannis (and point can be made for even Giannis) should be untradeable. That said I don't think such a package for Donte exists just yet.

[StickeeFingaz]

Did I miss it or have the Bucks not officially announced they’re signing Myles Powell to a two-way deal? Is there a cap or roster reason why he wouldn’t be signed yet?

I need my Myles Powell @ Bucks practice hype video.

[emunney]

You Donte fans are killing me!!!! You're killing me, Smalls! You're killing me, Petey! YOU'RE KILLING ME!!!!!

What's the over/under on # of seasons before LaVine gets lucky enough to play on a winning team? The guy is SO unlucky. It's insane, this guy's luck.

Did you know that if the Bulls win 16 more games this season, they will have won more games (32) than any other team LaVine has played for? I for one believe they can possibly do it if everything goes perfectly.

Everybody here would trade Donte for LaVine if they could.

No doubt, looking forward to seeing what he can do in the play-in game.

[coolhandluke121]

TBH I don't view JV, Turner or Barnes as enough of an upgrade to.trade DDV.
Generally none bar Giannis (and point can be made for even Giannis) should be untradeable. That said I don't think such a package for Donte exists just yet.

I would definitely expect those teams to take on a bad contract or two and throw in a serviceable bench guy for depth in those deals. I debated having them on the list but ultimately decided there are realistic trades I would be happy with even though I like DDV a little more than any of those guys in a vacuum.

[Frank Nova]

If you have to reference what a 3rd year player did in college to make a point, isn’t the point already made? Why is it so unfair to question DDV as a NBA starter? And if we are going back to college for agenda, he wasn’t even a starter in college...

He’s shown flashes of solid basketball and I’m not advocating that we trade him for a bologna sandwich but the ppl that believe he’s even a quality starter on a team with championship aspirations, I’m gonna call you delusional every time. Not as a personal attack, just as a statement that I’m baffled that anyone can see that type of trajectory for him now. It’s not a small sample size anymore....

You are clueless about what constitutes winning basketball if that's your take, and it's not just about his performance in college. He also had the 2nd-best net rating on the team in the Miami series, and he has the 7th-best RPM in the entire league among SG's after being 8th last year. There is absolutely no track record of his teams NOT being significantly better when he's on the court, NBA or college, starter or bench, and yet you act like it's not only up for question but a given that he's NOT good. You're delusional about your own understanding of what it takes to win basketball games.

Winning basketball? Winning basketball starts and ends with consistency and that’s 1 aspect Donte shows zero promise. So give me all your advanced stats and all the BS but there’s nothing you can say that changes that.

And just for fun, I’m curious to know if Jrue Holiday misses that game winner against Memphis, is Holiday scrutinized or does the board call DDV a straight terd for letting Morant essentially walk past him for the game leading bucket? Because mr big time college performer looked just like Pat C playing D on Morant in that critical situation so how good of a defender is DDV if he’s useless in those situations? What else is he in the starting unit for? Play D and hit 3s but he’s an average shooter at best and his defense is blown out of proportion by stats that are clearly inflated due to the talent he’s on the floor with.

Im missing here what exactly DDV does that sets him apart?

And RPM is a garbage stat for a player with a non existent usage rate. I’ll just throw that out there. That’s not impressive at all. Especially last year. The 5th starter on the best team in the league with a historical winning margin at the end of the year only finishes 8th among his position? Anyone even slightly better than average finishes top 5 at worst just based off the fact you’re surrounded by the 2x mvp, a 2x all star and 2 2x all defensive players. Lmao. Wow.

Plain and simple point, we need DDV to replace Malcolm Brogdon. In every sense of what we lost in Malcolm Brogdon, we needed DDV to learn from Wes last year as a cheap bandaid so he was ready to take over that role this year. How’s that working out? Please.

When you compare DDV to Brogdon like everyone should be doing, It’s a joke and ppl sticking up for him are laughable for it.

Did I ever say DDV sucks or he shouldn’t be in the league? No I didn’t. Should he be the starting SG for the Bucks? Not if they want to win a title while Giannis is still here. I’ll gladly eat crow if that day ever comes but I’ll die of old age before it ever does.

[drdrG]

On a different note, I'm curious to hear what people think they would like to see from the Bucks in the 2nd half that would make them happy. My initial list would be:

1) 3-5 solid wins against top 3 in either conference
2) Giannis > 75% FTs (probably still happy with > 70%)
3) Bucks continue to switch and show defensive versatility
4) One of the rookies makes a difference
5) Resign Holiday

[LuessiT]

I really hope the Lakers make a move and allow us to get Wes Matthews back. He's the type of player we should be looking to add. Tough, high energy, multipositional defenders that can hit the 3 and play within themselves.

[LuessiT]

If you have to reference what a 3rd year player did in college to make a point, isn’t the point already made? Why is it so unfair to question DDV as a NBA starter? And if we are going back to college for agenda, he wasn’t even a starter in college...

He’s shown flashes of solid basketball and I’m not advocating that we trade him for a bologna sandwich but the ppl that believe he’s even a quality starter on a team with championship aspirations, I’m gonna call you delusional every time. Not as a personal attack, just as a statement that I’m baffled that anyone can see that type of trajectory for him now. It’s not a small sample size anymore....

You are clueless about what constitutes winning basketball if that's your take, and it's not just about his performance in college. He also had the 2nd-best net rating on the team in the Miami series, and he has the 7th-best RPM in the entire league among SG's after being 8th last year. There is absolutely no track record of his teams NOT being significantly better when he's on the court, NBA or college, starter or bench, and yet you act like it's not only up for question but a given that he's NOT good. You're delusional about your own understanding of what it takes to win basketball games.

Winning basketball? Winning basketball starts and ends with consistency and that’s 1 aspect Donte shows zero promise. So give me all your advanced stats and all the BS but there’s nothing you can say that changes that.

And just for fun, I’m curious to know if Jrue Holiday misses that game winner against Memphis, is Holiday scrutinized or does the board call DDV a straight terd for letting Morant essentially walk past him for the game leading bucket? Because mr big time college performer looked just like Pat C playing D on Morant in that critical situation so how good of a defender is DDV if he’s useless in those situations? What else is he in the starting unit for? Play D and hit 3s but he’s an average shooter at best and his defense is blown out of proportion by stats that are clearly inflated due to the talent he’s on the floor with.

Im missing here what exactly DDV does that sets him apart?

And RPM is a garbage stat for a player with a non existent usage rate. I’ll just throw that out there. That’s not impressive at all. Especially last year. The 5th starter on the best team in the league with a historical winning margin at the end of the year only finishes 8th among his position? Anyone even slightly better than average finishes top 5 at worst just based off the fact you’re surrounded by the 2x mvp, a 2x all star and 2 2x all defensive players. Lmao. Wow.

Plain and simple point, we need DDV to replace Malcolm Brogdon. In every sense of what we lost in Malcolm Brogdon, we needed DDV to learn from Wes last year as a cheap bandaid so he was ready to take over that role this year. How’s that working out? Please.

When you compare DDV to Brogdon like everyone should be doing, It’s a joke and ppl sticking up for him are laughable for it.

Did I ever say DDV sucks or he shouldn’t be in the league? No I didn’t. Should he be the starting SG for the Bucks? Not if they want to win a title while Giannis is still here. I’ll gladly eat crow if that day ever comes but I’ll die of old age before it ever does.

I really don't see how Donte isn't consistent. He consistently contributes by effort and defense even if he doesn't score.

[coolhandluke121]

Winning basketball? Winning basketball starts and ends with consistency and that’s 1 aspect Donte shows zero promise. So give me all your advanced stats and all the BS but there’s nothing you can say that changes that.

And just for fun, I’m curious to know if Jrue Holiday misses that game winner against Memphis, is Holiday scrutinized or does the board call DDV a straight terd for letting Morant essentially walk past him for the game leading bucket? Because mr big time college performer looked just like Pat C playing D on Morant in that critical situation so how good of a defender is DDV if he’s useless in those situations? What else is he in the starting unit for? Play D and hit 3s but he’s an average shooter at best and his defense is blown out of proportion by stats that are clearly inflated due to the talent he’s on the floor with.

Im missing here what exactly DDV does that sets him apart?

And RPM is a garbage stat for a player with a non existent usage rate. I’ll just throw that out there. That’s not impressive at all. Especially last year. The 5th starter on the best team in the league with a historical winning margin at the end of the year only finishes 8th among his position? Anyone even slightly better than average finishes top 5 at worst just based off the fact you’re surrounded by the 2x mvp, a 2x all star and 2 2x all defensive players. Lmao. Wow.

Plain and simple point, we need DDV to replace Malcolm Brogdon. In every sense of what we lost in Malcolm Brogdon, we needed DDV to learn from Wes last year as a cheap bandaid so he was ready to take over that role this year. How’s that working out? Please.

When you compare DDV to Brogdon like everyone should be doing, It’s a joke and ppl sticking up for him are laughable for it.

Did I ever say DDV sucks or he shouldn’t be in the league? No I didn’t. Should he be the starting SG for the Bucks? Not if they want to win a title while Giannis is still here. I’ll gladly eat crow if that day ever comes but I’ll die of old age before it ever does.

I really don't see how Donte isn't consistent. He consistently contributes by effort and defense even if he doesn't score.

Talking to someone who literally doesn't believe a player causing his team to play better than the other team is what's important is trippy and fun.

[Brewhoopfan]

A big part of playing this roster game is finding some cheap pieces through free agency or the draft who can contribute. DDV, Portis, and Forbes all fall into this category and provide value. DJ Wilson's salary is higher than all 3. Picking up his option was a mistake. DDV is cheap this year AND next year. Sure, you can upgrade his position, but you're also sacrificing future roster flexibility. The worst value on the team is obviously Brook with DJA coming in a close 2nd. Unfortunately, both will be poor value for the next 3 years so good luck moving on from them.

[coolhandluke121]

The worst value on the team is obviously Brook with DJA coming in a close 2nd. Unfortunately, both will be poor value for the next 3 years so good luck moving on from them.

DJA has just a pittance guaranteed as a buyout in 2022 and Brook only has two more years after this one, but I agree about value. That said, trading DDV with one or both of them to get a couple good players is an intriguing possibility, particularly since DDV could earn himself a big raise next year.

[Matches Malone]

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[LuessiT]

I really hope we're shopping DJA now that his value is somewhat high after starting. Soon Jrue will take over and displace him.

[mlloyd10]

Dont know what either side would have to add but something around this:

Zeller/Monk for Lopez/DJW

Could substitute DJA for DJW

[MickeyDavis]

I really hope the Lakers make a move and allow us to get Wes Matthews back. He's the type of player we should be looking to add. Tough, high energy, multipositional defenders that can hit the 3 and play within themselves.

Wes has been toast this season, really bad.

[tski1972]

Dont know what either side would have to add but something around this:

Zeller/Monk for Lopez/DJW

Could substitute DJA for DJW

Doubt Charlotte gives us two better players with expiring contracts to take on more money.

[LuessiT]

I really hope the Lakers make a move and allow us to get Wes Matthews back. He's the type of player we should be looking to add. Tough, high energy, multipositional defenders that can hit the 3 and play within themselves.

Wes has been toast this season, really bad.

TBF I watched like 5 Lakers games at most. I wouldn't know what his current state is but last year's Wes was way underappreciated on this board.

[LuessiT]

My favorite semi-realistic trade is still DJA for Ntilikina if we can't find anything else by the end of the deadline. Saves just enough to get us another buyout too.