Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Looking like Bucks keep Mids, Brook, Jae

[rilamann]

The Bucks were/are always in a tough spot with Middleton.

He's one of those guys where you're going to be **** if you give him a big contract, but you're also going to be **** if you let him walk and get nothing in return for him. Damn it, Midds, you mediocre all star...lol

[fansinceforever]

To me running it back is not an option. I don't have understand what's out there and how we get it done but it's not my job to know.

[rilamann]

To me running it back is not an option. I don't have understand what's out there and how we get it done but it's not my job to know.

Running it back with a team that won 1 single solitary playoff game with a prime 28 year old Giannis would be pure insanity.

Especially when you consider that this squad looked every bit like a group of frauds long before the playoffs.

[BucksFanSD]

I am one of the few guys who is really high on Marjon.

If you asked me to name my top #5 reasons why Bud absolutely had to go, totally benching Marjon in mid/late December would be one of the reasons.

I remember making a post probably in mid or late December when Marjon was showing a lot of promise that there was no excuse for Bud to give Marjon any more DNPs. Seemed like right after I said that, Marjon played in like 5 games the rest of the season. I wasn't saying Marjon should have had a major role, but he should have been getting around 10 minutes every night IMO.

I still believe with a ton of confidence that Marjon has lottery talent, but slipped because of all the Covid stuff.

The fact Marjon showed the flashes he did in limited/inconsistent minutes on a title contending team was impressive.

I think he would be an easy upgrade over Grayson Allen.

Going to back to the top #5 reasons thing, if you asked me to name my top #5 reasons why the Bucks were frauds, starting and playing Grayson Allen 25+ minutes a night was one of the reasons. Grayson Allen is ok if he's coming off the bench and playing 15/20 minutes a night.

I said it all season, no team that starts Grayson Allen and plays him 25+ minutes a night is sniffing an NBA Finals.

Put Grayson Allen on the Nuggets, start him and play him 25+ a night and the Nuggets are not your 2023 NBA Champion.

Pretty much my exact thoughts. MarJon has a lot of intangibles on the court and seems to me is a player we would want to continuously go with in our trust with consistent minutes, and not Grayson, to get our most potential. I'm fine if that takes his sophomore year to do that, which means the time is now.

[Frank Nova]

To me running it back is not an option. I don't have understand what's out there and how we get it done but it's not my job to know.

Running it back with a team that won 1 single solitary playoff game with a prime 28 year old Giannis would be pure insanity.

Especially when you consider that this squad looked every bit like a group of frauds long before the playoffs.

Exactly. I’m excited for the coaching change as I believe it was very necessary. But a coaching change and a larger role for Marjon is an absolute far cry from what this team needs to get back to glory. I’m not calling for a total roster overhaul as I’m sure that’s not even realistic but a lift in talent is needed in a major way.

There are a plethora of teams that are not in title contention with available talent a team like the Bucks could certainly use to get better. I hope Horst is exploring those options and I also hope the ownership group is lenient towards spending what’s necessary to do so….

[raferfenix]

Grayson and Bobby for Rozier, 27 and 34.

Same package could be traded for Hield and Pacers picks.

If Buddy’s on the way out Indiana seems like a team who’d value Grayson plenty too.

[RiotPunch]

I am afraid that Horst might not have the balls to trade a core 4 guy. Obviously Giannis isn't going anywhere, and Khris/Brook S&T scenarios are highly unlikely, so that leaves Jrue. The guy Horst mortgaged the future for. He should use that asset to turn back the clock a bit and widen this team's window but I find it hard to believe he does it with his seat warming at an alarming rate and a newly appointed rookie HC.

He's gonna re-sign Khris/Brook and make an on-the-fringes move involving Portis/Allen and cross his fingers they make another Finals appearance. Can't say I blame him, but it is to the detriment of our longevity as a true contender. Does adding a Rozier or Quickley get us over the hump? One can only hope.

[FlagsFlyForever]

To me running it back is not an option. I don't have understand what's out there and how we get it done but it's not my job to know.

Running it back with a team that won 1 single solitary playoff game with a prime 28 year old Giannis would be pure insanity.

Especially when you consider that this squad looked every bit like a group of frauds long before the playoffs.

We didn't have prime Giannis which is why I'm okay with running it back. We don't need to overreact and blow up a championship-caliber team because we got unlucky with an injury.

[JayMKE]

What I don't understand about running it back and signing everybody long term f the costs is how the hell do they expect to keep Giannis beyond this small window with these guys when there are no assets to build upon? Like Jrue, Khris, Lopez might have some value right now but what about 2 years from now? There are no picks to trade, we don't have any cap space, we're going to be severely limited by the second apron and for what? THEN WHAT? Is this a tacit admission of Giannis having a foot out the door already? We have to build for the future NOW!

[Frank Nova]

I am afraid that Horst might not have the balls to trade a core 4 guy. Obviously Giannis isn't going anywhere, and Khris/Brook S&T scenarios are highly unlikely, so that leaves Jrue. The guy Horst mortgaged the future for. He should use that asset to turn back the clock a bit and widen this team's window but I find it hard to believe he does it with his seat warming at an alarming rate and a newly appointed rookie HC.

He's gonna re-sign Khris/Brook and make an on-the-fringes move involving Portis/Allen and cross his fingers they make another Finals appearance. Can't say I blame him, but it is to the detriment of our longevity as a true contender. Does adding a Rozier or Quickley get us over the hump? One can only hope.

I have 2 thoughts here.. 1. Griff is a defensive coordinator, having Jrue at the point of attack should theoretically be a huge advantage for our defensive concepts next season. I’d imagine that was a huge talking point of emphasis during Griffs interview process. But that’s just pure speculation..

and 2. Yes, I think something as simple as adding some form of offensively inclined bucket getter guard is enough to get us over the hump we are currently stuck on.. Rozier/Quickley would be a breath of fresh air for what we’ve watched the past 2 seasons. I’d add Buddy Hield to the mix as well as lower end realistic roster upgrades…

[poete maudit]

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[Daver]

To me running it back is not an option. I don't have understand what's out there and how we get it done but it's not my job to know.

Running it back with a team that won 1 single solitary playoff game with a prime 28 year old Giannis would be pure insanity.

Especially when you consider that this squad looked every bit like a group of frauds long before the playoffs.

They got rid of the king of fraud in bud the players morphed into buds game attitude.Im willing to see if a healthy big 3 with a new HC and stotts calling the O can get back to where they need to be.I think this team with some light tinkering can ansolutely get back to the dance

[Daver]

Grayson and Bobby for Rozier, 27 and 34.

Same package could be traded for Hield and Pacers picks.

If Buddy’s on the way out Indiana seems like a team who’d value Grayson plenty too.

Thats the trade i want to make want i rather have heidl at 2 than rozier

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[StickeeFingaz]

Running it back with the same top 7/8 guys would be very uninspiring.

[WeekapaugGroove]

What I don't understand about running it back and signing everybody long term f the costs is how the hell do they expect to keep Giannis beyond this small window with these guys when there are no assets to build upon? Like Jrue, Khris, Lopez might have some value right now but what about 2 years from now? There are no picks to trade, we don't have any cap space, we're going to be severely limited by the second apron and for what? THEN WHAT? Is this a tacit admission of Giannis having a foot out the door already? We have to build for the future NOW!

I get what you're saying but a semi rebuild is something Giannis needs to be down with or he won't be here to reap the rewards. Of course if they can find deals to help now and in the future you make the trades but those aren't always easy to find.

I've conditioned myself to worry about being as good as possible the next season and save worrying about the future for the future.

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[PG Graveyard]

What a poo poo platter for Beal.

[RiotPunch]

So Miami is holding out for Lillard, who hopefully never becomes available, unless he wants to come here.

[MickeyDavis]

Dame time

[GoldenAntlers]

This off-season is going to have a lot of shakeups. No way the Bucks simply run it back after that disastrous playoffs.

PS: I completely agree with Rilaman when he said one of the main reasons Bud had to go was for benching Marjon as soon as it was clear he needed consistent game time.