PG: Bulls - Nice Win

[Milbucks96]

Giannis has been a monster, Khris has been pretty good in his limited minutes, Dame has been a negative so far, as well as brook. This was probably our best win just because of the point diff. Liked the two young guys, Bobby was great. Hope we keep building on this and play even better

[greekbuck34]

Before his injury didnt Dame like win us 3 games even without hot shooting? Tough crowd

That's what I'm thinking. Dame has not played well and still won us a few games. We know this story from having Giannis. I really think the majority of Bucks fans need to chill for another month.

Ok he’s a slow starter but he’s currently a super max player shooting 37 percent and 27 percent from the field while being a turnstile on defense. It’s ok to be disappointed as he’s been awful for the most part this season. He needs to score an efficient 25-30 to justify the trade and his defense.

It's nothing to do with being a superstar. They are still humans. It's far more difficult to find your rythme as a shooter without even basic off season and in a completely new team and enviroment. Giannis is already starting to get over it mostly because it's basically his only problem right now and his style of play is different.

I don't get it why everyone is bitching after each loss or a bad play. Basically 75% of the posters including myself predicted a slow star or even a **** show in the first 20-25 games of the season and that without even knowing that Khris will be on minutes restiction and how bad of an off season Dame and Giannis had in reality. You are only one of the few guys who thought foolishly that we will roll everyone in our way to the championship this season.

Just read

https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=2326186

[Ron Swanson]

This team has talented its way to 6-4 despite the coaching being a trainwreck. I'm not even sure how to feel about wins like this. Every team we should beat by 20+ ends up being closer than it should, but we've also had "good" wins against Philly and the Knicks. I just have no faith in this coaching staff unless we start seeing some really good stretches and blowout wins.

[Profound23]

Dame is always a slow starter, he is also going through a rough divorce, on a new team that acquired him right before the start of regular season, and a rookie coach.

He will show glimpses, but it's going to be months before we see consistency. R-E-L-A-X

[JimmyTheKid]

Dre has potential to be a real needle mover for us. He needs to get as many minutes as possible to get him ready for the playoffs.

Lets all keep in mind that Griffin had no plan to play AJJ more than a couple minutes/garbage time had Jae Crowder not gotten hurt. Better late than never I guess though.

[JimmyTheKid]

Dre's already one of the smartest players in the league. He was like 3 passes ahead of this.

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The little things winners do to affect a basketball game... plus lockdown D and freak athleticism. Hopefully this Crowder injury results in AJJ claiming his role in the rotation and running with it.

[theFireBlanket]

Dre's already one of the smartest players in the league. He was like 3 passes ahead of this.

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The little things winners do to affect a basketball game... plus lockdown D and freak athleticism. Hopefully this Crowder injury results in AJJ claiming his role in the rotation and running with it.

He should've had Beasley's spot &/or minutes early on. Why Griffin hasn't done the obvious, while praising him all of camp & preseason? It's mind boggling.

[sidney lanier]

After the last loss we had 7+ pages the first hour. After this win we're on page 3 in hour 3

Need to edit this a little to make it work here.

[Siefer]

The lowest hanging fruit is finding 20+ minutes for each of Dre and Marjon, and limiting Beasley as much as possible. Bonus points if AG actually deploys them in sensible lineups.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Giannis back up to a 62%TS, which could be sustainable based on his shot selection stays at "Throwing down jams". He is getting his shots while Dame is getting close to his (16 per game instead of 20). I feel a lot of Dame's shots are going to Beasley and others. Like one time Giannis told Dame to go in the corner and swung it opposite way to Beasley to launch a 3? If Dame gets back up to 38+% from 3 it will start to open things up a lot.

You slowly see Giannis willing to let Dame and Payne bring the ball up and work as a wing man cutting. It's not where you want it to be but you see it starting to click where Giannis is supposed to operate.

[RogerMurdock]

I feel a lot of Dame's shots are going to Beasley and others. Like one time Giannis told Dame to go in the corner and swung it opposite way to Beasley to launch a 3?

I don't remember the play, but if it got Beasley a wide open look, that seems fine to me. Beasley is on the team for his three-point shooting and part of the benefit of Dame is that his gravity will get his teammates better shots. Obviously, I want Dame taking more shots than Beasley, but I also want Beasley to launch it if he has a good look.

[Matches Malone]

Some interesting quotes from Griffs presser

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[bucksfansince88]

Giannis back up to a 62%TS, which could be sustainable based on his shot selection stays at "Throwing down jams". He is getting his shots while Dame is getting close to his (16 per game instead of 20). I feel a lot of Dame's shots are going to Beasley and others. Like one time Giannis told Dame to go in the corner and swung it opposite way to Beasley to launch a 3? If Dame gets back up to 38+% from 3 it will start to open things up a lot.

You slowly see Giannis willing to let Dame and Payne bring the ball up and work as a wing man cutting. It's not where you want it to be but you see it starting to click where Giannis is supposed to operate.

I haven’t seen it yet, Giannis has been pressing and consistently missing or just getting tunnel vision and flat out ignoring wide open teammates. I saw Bobby give him a few subtle reminders of Giannis missing him while he was wide open. Dame needs to be more assertive and Giannis needs to move the damn ball more

[LUKE23]

Does anyone have any stats on what percentage of our possessions we are running Dame/GA PnR when they are both on the floor? Seems crazy low.

I feel like a lot of what ails us is easy to fix. More Dame/GA two man stuff on O, Lillard reverting to career norms from 3, and Beasley out of the starting five. More Marjon/AJJ in general.

AJJ’s athleticism jumps off the screen. He needs far more minutes.

[Bucksmaniac]

I feel a lot of Dame's shots are going to Beasley and others. Like one time Giannis told Dame to go in the corner and swung it opposite way to Beasley to launch a 3?

I don't remember the play, but if it got Beasley a wide open look, that seems fine to me. Beasley is on the team for his three-point shooting and part of the benefit of Dame is that his gravity will get his teammates better shots. Obviously, I want Dame taking more shots than Beasley, but I also want Beasley to launch it if he has a good look.

Right now a wide open Beasley jump shot is a higher percentage play than a contested Dame shot. Beasley is shooting better and at least if he’s out there I’d like to see him get a few perimeter looks per game since he doesn’t have much use on defense.

[Ron Swanson]

Granted I wasn't watching every Portland game, but the amount of times I've seen Dame ISO step-back and get his shot stuffed already is jarring. There's just no visible structure on offense and Griffin seems to have everyone freelancing out there. I was always willing to be more patient with the offense, but there are so many ways to get Dame easier shots when he's surrounded by **** Giannis, Brook, and Khris. Like, we ran the horns/high screen sets to perfection against a very good defensive team in Philly, and then each game since it seems like we've gone significantly further away from that.

[JimmyTheKid]

Dre's already one of the smartest players in the league. He was like 3 passes ahead of this.

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The little things winners do to affect a basketball game... plus lockdown D and freak athleticism. Hopefully this Crowder injury results in AJJ claiming his role in the rotation and running with it.

He should've had Beasley's spot &/or minutes early on. Why Griffin hasn't done the obvious, while praising him all of camp & preseason? It's mind boggling.

Some coaches believe rookies need to "earn their way," unique skill set be damned. I really, really, really hate that line of thought. Always have. Probably the biggest pet peeve of mine in all of sport. I fully understand it in elementary, middle, and high school. Maybe even D-III or D-II. If its a relative wash in talent, go with the older kids. But at the professional level? Ridiculous. Play your best players. Period.

[emunney]

Random notes:

* Bulls waited too long to trade Patrick Williams. He had a good game last night, very Anthony Tolliver-esque.
* On the play where DeRozan had that amazing pass to the corner, Vucevic was complaining that there was a goaltend on Brook's block. Brook practically took it right off his hand. What did he think it looked like?
* Would love to know what was going through Ayo's mind when he tried to throw that pass by MarJon early.
* I don't think we *have* to trade Brook and Pat, but if it's true that Houston would have given us Eason for Brook, hopefully they still will in January (and the salary matching game isn't too obnoxious).

[Prez]

The little things winners do to affect a basketball game... plus lockdown D and freak athleticism. Hopefully this Crowder injury results in AJJ claiming his role in the rotation and running with it.

He should've had Beasley's spot &/or minutes early on. Why Griffin hasn't done the obvious, while praising him all of camp & preseason? It's mind boggling.

Some coaches believe rookies need to "earn their way," unique skill set be damned. I really, really, really hate that line of thought. Always have. Probably the biggest pet peeve of mine in all of sport. I fully understand it in elementary, middle, and high school. Maybe even D-III or D-II. If its a relative wash in talent, go with the older kids. But at the professional level? Ridiculous. Play your best players. Period.

I could maybe see that coach logic if it was a rookie who needed extra motivation or a fire lit under them to play the right way and do the right things. But Dre is literally the opposite of that lol. Dude’s a winner who plays like a winner, thinks the game like a winner, etc. The only reason you play Beasley over him is if as a coach you’re A) following a promise the front office made to Beasley for whatever reason, or B) you’re dumb and can’t properly evaluate the players you have.

[BadWolf]

I had to check if Dame raised his percentages after this game.

Actually not sure who has the higher 3pt% this season out of Giannis and Dame. They'd both be between 20%-30%.

Giannis 25%
Dame 25%
Khris 25%