Around the League - Beasley Boogies to Detroit

[Fotis St]

No, I don't feel Bucks have bad karma cause of the Jrue trade. I have posted that Giannis cheating the game is the bad karma. Not deBudding (Brook+Pat) the team is bad karma also.

[MiltownMadness]

My conscience is clean.

Ik it is. These guys are not any less human because they make lots of money believe it or not. He was a kid who was ultra talented and saw his world come crashing down twice by the time he could drink. He had huge expectations and was a dumb kid at the time. Why do you go out of your way to trash him when all anyone is doing is acknowledging that they are happy for his growth? It's just about having respect for another human and trying to put yourself in their position for a second. And in this situation, if you can't say anything nice then just shut up tbh

I hate this attitude that these guys are not humans with their own stuff going on, and it's getting worse with social media.

[jakecronus8]

My conscience is clean.

Ik it is. These guys are not any less human because they make lots of money believe it or not. He was a kid who was ultra talented and saw his world come crashing down twice by the time he could drink. He had huge expectations and was a dumb kid at the time. Why do you go out of your way to trash him when all anyone is doing is acknowledging that they are happy for his growth? It's just about having respect for another human and trying to put yourself in their position for a second. And in this situation, if you can't say anything nice then just shut up tbh

I hate this attitude that these guys are not humans with their own stuff going on, and it's getting worse with social media.

That’s fine if you feel bad. I do not. My main point is people are kind of acting (not just here but twitter as well) like he was this can’t miss guy that got a raw deal when the reality is a lot of his problems were self inflicted. Do people really forget when we watched him quit in real time in a playoff game?

[MiltownMadness]

You're sitting here sweeping years of work he did to return from career altering injuries under the rug, going out of your way to call him lazy, a jerk to kids, rude to Milwaukeeans, and actively pretending like the injury stuff didn't happen. This is not a normal reaction to seeing someone cry because of how far they came. Let it go

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Plenty of rose colored glasses with Jabari here.

Skirted by on natural gifts. Never worked. All in all, him and Giannis were such polar opposites re: work ethic. Admitted that he gave less than a f*ck about defense.

Heard some stories about him being a dick to fans in Milwaukee as well including young kids. Not losing sleep over a guy like that. Great PR though.

Never heard the second part. Only had good encounters with Jabari. So sad to hear that.

As for the first part, I think people group in being a bad employee with being a bad person because ultimately all we care about is winning. I wasn't saying Jabari was a great Buck, just saying he wasn't a POS like Larry Sanders was while he was here, from what I know. Like I'm not going to lose any sleep about Jabari not being in the NBA, but his not a guy I'm going to root against either. It's a nice little side story if he matured and found his own niche.

(Also don't think you can say he had a bad work ethic. Dude worked his ass to come back from the first ACL and was an even better athlete because of it. If i remember right, he blamed suki/bucks for pushing him too hard to come back too soon the first time and putting him at risk. As RS said, it is easy to see how an immature 21-year-old could say f-it I'm going to only score points and get paid because that is the business. He was wrong and idiot for saying it outloud, but he paid the price by being out of the league)

I think Suki and the Bucks training staff can stand on their history and reputation. Didn’t Jabari say (can’t remember if it was the first or second time) that he rehabbed just by playing pick up hoops?

As far as the morals police coming after me, bring it. There’s real problems in this world. If you want to fault me for not boohooing a dude that flamed out in Milwaukee, and had an overinflated sense of self worth multiple times over (including allegedly as recent as last summer) while making almost $60 million in his career of playing a game go nuts. My conscience is clean.

How could you forget him climbing mountains in Peru?
https://www.nba.com/news/milwaukee-bucks-jabari-parker-optimistic-about-recovery-program

Yes, there are bigger problems in the world than holding a grudge on spoiled, 20-year-old hooper. And for the record, I wasn't faulting you, just pointing out some nuances. It's not like Jabari committed domestic abuse or DUI that killed someone. No one should really hold a grudge on the guy, even if you aren't cheering for him either.

[RiotPunch]

I saw Jabari around several times when I lived in Milwaukee. He was very friendly and gracious every time.

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

I agree Jabari would still be in the league if he had a better head on his shoulder. I also think, even with those faults, he could've been a great scoring wing-man next to Giannis with 2 years of additional development/not losing his explosiveness due to bad knees. He was putting up 20 points on above average efficiency as a 21-year-old coming off knee surgery. You could hide his defensive flaws with this lineup of prime:
Brook
Giannis
Jabari
Midds/Brogdon
Bledsoe
Plus all of picks from the Jrue and Dame Trades.

[MiltownMadness]

Jabari had superstar scorer written all over him if he had good knees. His explosiveness completely caught me off guard, was destined to be a 3 level scorer. His attitude after he lost his explosiveness did not do him any favors, but I always thought he put that behind him rather quickly when he realized he was more of a fringe NBA guy at a certain point.

Jabari/Giannis in transition woulda been legendary. Two ultra athletic behemoths with guard skills just barreling at you, goodnight

[tonyreyes123]

Jabari was a bust what are we doing here lmao

[jakecronus8]

Jabari was never going to be a net positive. If you are an elite scorer you can make up for being a bad defender (see Lillard) but Jabari was never going to be at that level. I’m just thankful he turned down Bucks extension offers. Don’t think we get that title if he re-signed for a big money deal.

[RogerMurdock]

Question for Bucks fans, looking at how the season ended, do you think trading Jrue invited some type of bad karma on the team this season

No.

[Matches Malone]

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[Wonka]

Calling Jabari a bust is disingenuous at best. Name a handful of players who have gone through what he went through injury wise and stuck it out? The talent was clearly there, and yes, the mentality needed some work. Intuition tells me that no injuries and a coach that isn’t Jason Kidd would’ve worked wonders for that guy.

Just remember guys, the posters bemoaning Jabari are the same ones who would be incessantly complaining if a work injury forced them to sit at home in a brace for months or years. Jabari Parker was a literal child here, and reacted to 2 career and life changing injuries the way any ADULT would. If your life changed for the worse and you DIDNT react negatively, I’d think you have a real problem.

[ReasonablySober]

Calling Jabari a bust is disingenuous at best. Name a handful of players who have gone through what he went through injury wise and stuck it out? The talent was clearly there, and yes, the mentality needed some work. Intuition tells me that no injuries and a coach that isn’t Jason Kidd would’ve worked wonders for that guy.

Just remember guys, the posters bemoaning Jabari are the same ones who would be incessantly complaining if a work injury forced them to sit at home in a brace for months or years. Jabari Parker was a literal child here, and reacted to 2 career and life changing injuries the way any ADULT would. If your life changed for the worse and you DIDNT react negatively, I’d think you have a real problem.

There's no scenario where Parker isn't a bust. He could have had healthy knees for his entire career and he'd still be a tweener forward who offered absolutely nothing on defense.

I'm glad he seems to be happy now, but that pick was a disaster.

The argument really falls apart when you consider that Embiid should have been the pick, was the obvious choice at the time, and he's been injured as hell too.

[Wonka]

Calling Jabari a bust is disingenuous at best. Name a handful of players who have gone through what he went through injury wise and stuck it out? The talent was clearly there, and yes, the mentality needed some work. Intuition tells me that no injuries and a coach that isn’t Jason Kidd would’ve worked wonders for that guy.

Just remember guys, the posters bemoaning Jabari are the same ones who would be incessantly complaining if a work injury forced them to sit at home in a brace for months or years. Jabari Parker was a literal child here, and reacted to 2 career and life changing injuries the way any ADULT would. If your life changed for the worse and you DIDNT react negatively, I’d think you have a real problem.

There's no scenario where Parker isn't a bust. He could have had healthy knees for his entire career and he'd still be a tweener forward who offered absolutely nothing on defense.

I'm glad he seems to be happy now, but that pick was a disaster.

The argument really falls apart when you consider that Embiid should have been the pick, was the obvious choice at the time, and he's been injured as hell too.

I remember that draft, and I remember that most posters were involved in a Parker vs Wiggins debate with Embiid far behind, so let’s not play that game. Hindsight is 20/20. But again, it’s disingenuous to state hypotheticals about Jabari for a career we will never see. He was clearly and comfortably on his way to being a 25 point guy before the injuries, and complimented Giannis’ game in a way we still haven’t truly found a replacement for. Yes, the defense was an issue, but that’s not something that couldn’t have been hidden or addressed with better coaching and more time. I think it’s easy to forget that the dude had two ACLs before he could legally drink and it’s even easier to assume things about what his career could’ve been due to those injuries.

[ReasonablySober]

Calling Jabari a bust is disingenuous at best. Name a handful of players who have gone through what he went through injury wise and stuck it out? The talent was clearly there, and yes, the mentality needed some work. Intuition tells me that no injuries and a coach that isn’t Jason Kidd would’ve worked wonders for that guy.

Just remember guys, the posters bemoaning Jabari are the same ones who would be incessantly complaining if a work injury forced them to sit at home in a brace for months or years. Jabari Parker was a literal child here, and reacted to 2 career and life changing injuries the way any ADULT would. If your life changed for the worse and you DIDNT react negatively, I’d think you have a real problem.

There's no scenario where Parker isn't a bust. He could have had healthy knees for his entire career and he'd still be a tweener forward who offered absolutely nothing on defense.

I'm glad he seems to be happy now, but that pick was a disaster.

The argument really falls apart when you consider that Embiid should have been the pick, was the obvious choice at the time, and he's been injured as hell too.

I remember that draft, and I remember that most posters were involved in a Parker vs Wiggins debate with Embiid far behind, so let’s not play that game. Hindsight is 20/20.

Most posters will tell you you're arguing with the wrong person on this one.

[Wonka]

There's no scenario where Parker isn't a bust. He could have had healthy knees for his entire career and he'd still be a tweener forward who offered absolutely nothing on defense.

I'm glad he seems to be happy now, but that pick was a disaster.

The argument really falls apart when you consider that Embiid should have been the pick, was the obvious choice at the time, and he's been injured as hell too.

I remember that draft, and I remember that most posters were involved in a Parker vs Wiggins debate with Embiid far behind, so let’s not play that game. Hindsight is 20/20.

Most posters will tell you you're arguing with the wrong person on this one.

Most posters would tell you that I wasn’t arguing? Don’t be so sensitive. I love how you only replied to the part that involved your ego

[ReasonablySober]

I remember that draft, and I remember that most posters were involved in a Parker vs Wiggins debate with Embiid far behind, so let’s not play that game. Hindsight is 20/20.

Most posters will tell you you're arguing with the wrong person on this one.

Most posters would tell you that I wasn’t arguing? Don’t be so sensitive. I love how you only replied to the part that involved your ego

Fair, but it was the easiest layup decision the team could have made and it would have lead to the Bucks owning the league for a decade.

The argument back then was there was no version of Parker that would have made passing up the possibility of Embiid worth it. If Parker bombs it doesn't matter. He was just a tweener offense only forward at best. If Embiid hits he's a big who carries a franchise. Some of us were saying it back then.

The Bucks **** up an obvious choice. No 20/20.

[emunney]

I was absolutely about taking Embiid. I think a lot of people were. Remember, we were coming off the worst record in a season in which we were trying to compete. We out-tanked the guy who is only famous for tanking, and we did it by accident. We brought Delfino back for that ride and he just sat on the beach and sipped Herb Kohl's money through a hat straw. Everything went wrong. We had good reason to think we were in a multi-year tank. Embiid was the best player but also couldn't contribute to wins right away: he was perfect.

I think the debate here between Jabari and Wiggins explicitly assumed that the Bucks wouldn't take Embiid due to his injury.

[stellation]

I was absolutely about taking Embiid. I think a lot of people were. Remember, we were coming off the worst record in a season in which we were trying to compete. We out-tanked the guy who is only famous for tanking, and we did it by accident. We brought Delfino back for that ride and he just sat on the beach and sipped Herb Kohl's money through a hat straw. Everything went wrong. We had good reason to think we were.in a multi-year tank. Embiid was the best player but also couldn't contribute to wins right away: he was perfect.

I think the debate here between Jabari and Wiggins explicitly assumed that the Bucks wouldn't take Embiid due to his injury.

I'm pretty sure that season I would have been all about bringing back that sexy Delfino over all else.