Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[ShootingtheJ]

Grimes was just traded, not sure he can be repackaged with another player.

And I assume Dallas is a second apron team anyway. If so, they can’t do a 2:1 trade, right?

Is the deal official, or made post July 1st? It could be expanded if post July 1.

That said, my guess is Dallas wants Grimes for themselves.

Let them keep Grimes, he was brutal last year. Green is the untapped player we should want.

[smauss]

I think what happens over the next few weeks will give us an idea of Doc's current job and future with this organization.

[tski1972]

I have been told with people with Inside info that the Bucks worked out KPJ and plan on signing him once that is available. So he will be taking Beasley's role and we can always resign Bev.

Whoa. This dude is coming in strong on the first post. Is KPJ even eligible to play?

I do not personally know this person. But he hasn't been wrong on things he has told a few of us on twitter. But he has been strongly against signing KPJ and he felt the Bucks were strongly against signing him at the time. Then he popped up saying the Bucks worked out a previously problemed player and intend on signing him once that becomes an option.

You can take it with a grain of salt but he has had info in the past that he has been right about. I do not know who he is or what he does with the Bucks.

So if this is true and it happens I will be leaning on him for more info haha.

I lean towards trusting this as the new guy refers to his source as “Twitter” and not “X”.

[yb90]

All these teams shedding players so easily makes me worry that Pat will be back. Bobby and Lopez are legit players who can help you win but Pat is past his usefulness for this team

[machu46]

Keldon Johnson sucks. I seriously don't get why anyone sees any more potential there. He's a Beasley level defender without the great shooting. Flipping Brook for him makes the team significantly worse.

He gives me Rui Hachimura vibes minus Rui's mid-range shooting, who I don't particularly like.

[machu46]

Grimes was just traded, not sure he can be repackaged with another player.

And I assume Dallas is a second apron team anyway. If so, they can’t do a 2:1 trade, right?

The trade presumably has not been made official yet, in which case it could be altered to include Milwaukee. But seems very unlikely.

Gafford and Grimes for Brook is good if it saves us cap money. Both are underwhelming players but that’s a trade that makes some sense for both teams.

I personally like both of those guys a lot, especially Gafford. I do that trade pretty easy assuming it's even legal.

Gafford was one of the only bright spots going to Wizards games here (besides whatever exciting player was on the away team). Hard to get how much better Dallas was with Lively in his place though.

Intriguing trade idea though.

Why would the Mavs trade Gafford for Brook?

Brook is better than Gafford and Dallas has generally liked surrounding Luka with shooting big men if they can help it. It makes sense for Dallas if they didn't actually care about Grimes when they dumped Hardaway.

[ShootingtheJ]

KPJ is a massive POS but that talent/youth upgrade by signing him would be undeniable. Put up 20 ppg per 36 @ .565 TS at age 22. Pretty solid shooter at high volume.

He was the best player in Europe this year too, by a country mile. Man against boys situation. He's 6'4" but averaged 8.3 rebounds and 1.8 blocks.

Signing KPJ is ugly, but we knew this line of thinking would part of the Jimmy Haslem ownership. The man is unscrupulous.

[LUKE23]

Brook is better than Gafford and Dallas has generally liked surrounding Luka with shooting big men if they can help it. It makes sense for Dallas if they didn't actually care about Grimes when they dumped Hardaway.

Also makes sense for the Bucks to get younger and add a guy with multiple contract years while still adding a rim protector (Gafford was 3.0 blocks per 36 last year). Grimes would probably be their starting SG in 24-25 barring other moves.

[JonHeist]

Gafford and Grimes for Brook is good if it saves us cap money. Both are underwhelming players but that’s a trade that makes some sense for both teams.

I personally like both of those guys a lot, especially Gafford. I do that trade pretty easy assuming it's even legal.

it is not legal

[Frank Nova]

Has the Detroit/Dallas trade been made official yet? Sending Brook to Dallas and rerouting Grimes with Gafford to Milwaukee should be a legal move as long as Grimes and Gafford aren’t making more than Brooks 23m combine right?

[LUKE23]

They make $17.7M combined

[Bernman]

Does this work?

Trade 1:
Gsw: Troy Brown
Det: CP3, three 2nds

Trade 2:
Mke: Moody, ‘25 1st
Gsw: PG, Bobby
Lac: Kuminga, TJD, Wiggins, GP2, ‘27 1st, swaps in ‘26 ‘28 and ‘29

I wouldn't move Bobby for Moody and a pick we are going to mess up haha.

I would. We'd get a viable 3&d guard & another crack at getting a young star post Dame & Midds decline to extend the Giannis contending window. We just took one shot. The more of them, the better a chance of a hit, naturally.

[machu46]

Gafford and Grimes for Brook is good if it saves us cap money. Both are underwhelming players but that’s a trade that makes some sense for both teams.

I personally like both of those guys a lot, especially Gafford. I do that trade pretty easy assuming it's even legal.

it is not legal

The new CBA is admittedly overwhelming so it's possible I'm wrong, but I think it would be legal. Dallas is not a second apron team, so they can aggregate salaries; both Milwaukee and Dallas are taking back less salary than they're sending out, and Detroit has plenty of cap space to accept the trade on their end.

[bdpecore]

Keep seeing the Spurs for Brook. Would we trade him for Keldon Johnson? The spurs have a million picks. Could we grab some of them?

Barring some other unforeseen move, I just don't see how they trade Brook now. They added no bigs.

I didn't really see anyone available at 23 or 33 who would have stepped into the Brook role this season. Not much in the way of minimum salary guys out there either.

I'm a fan of Day'Ron Sharpe and think he'd be a good back up C. As for starting C's who can start alongside Giannis here's my list of targets in order of preference.

Trade Options
Beef Stew
WCJ
Nance Jr
Landale
Olynyk

Free Agents
Valanciunas
Bitadze (TO)
Theis
Saric

[Frank Nova]

I personally like both of those guys a lot, especially Gafford. I do that trade pretty easy assuming it's even legal.

it is not legal

The new CBA is admittedly overwhelming so it's possible I'm wrong, but I think it would be legal. Dallas is not a second apron team, so they can aggregate salaries; both Milwaukee and Dallas are taking back less salary than they're sending out, and Detroit has plenty of cap space to accept the trade on their end.

Yeah I’m fairly certain that as long as that initial trade between Detroit and Dallas hasn’t been made official yet, adding Milwaukee as a 3rd team and moving parts around should still be legal as long as we aren’t exceeding the salary we’d be taking back. Which we wouldn’t be. This trade solves an issue on the wing and gives us a rim runner, also should open up the TPMLE. Do it, why not?

[bdpecore]

Why would the Mavs trade Gafford for Brook?

Because Brook is a better fit and they already have a younger version of Gafford on their roster in Lively..

[Bernman]

This is where having Utah take Flip right before us was a back breaker. I think that guy could have put in 10-15 minutes of passable back up big work right out of the gate.

Our big problem now with trading Brook is we don’t have that MLE or TPMLE to go out and sign another decent big body. In 2018 we gave Brook a $3mm a year prove it contract. We can’t even offer that much at the moment over the 2nd apron.

But trading Brook, outside anyone in the big 3, is the best chance to get under the 2nd apron before FA. We need to shave around 5m from what I've read & trading Brook can reduce your payroll up to 6m. That would need to happen in the next couple days.

Then we could take a run at a sufficient big body replacement like Val, Drummond, or the better Plumlee. I'd want Brook over all of them, but this might be what's required to find a good sg option & avoid the 2nd apron punishments.

Otherwise we'd have to trade Bobby, Pat, & Marjon individually before the deadline & get near max cap relief in all those deals.

[crowhead76]

Bucks In: Duop Reath
Blazers in: Pat, 2031 2nd

Allows Bucks to aggregate

Then get involved in the Pistons/Mavs trade

Bucks in: Josh Green, Gafford, Eason
Mavs in: Lopez, Portis, Grimes
Pistons in: THJ, 3 Mavs 2nds
Rockets in: Bucks 2031 1st

Bucks get about $1 under tax with 12 players on roster
Mavs get below the tax

Lillard | Dunn/Beverly | AJ Johnson
Josh Green | AJ Green | Marjon
Middleton | AJJ | Livingston
Giannis | Eason | Tyler Smith
Gafford | Reath

Sign Kris Dunn or Pat Beverly

If Rockets would move Eason for the 2031 1st, the Bucks could fit him into the trade exception created by the Pat trade

[German Athens]

Trade 1:
Mke: Moody, ‘25 1st
Gsw: Bobby
Third team: salary from GSW

Trade 2:
Mke: DFS, Sharpe, Thybulle, Kessler
Okc: Brook
Bkn: ‘25 Mia 1st
Por: Pat, Marjon
Uta: Dieng, ‘25 gsw 1st

Dame/Dunn/Johnson
Moody/Thybulle/Green
Khris/Dre/Livingston
Giannis/DFS/Smith
Kessler/Sharpe/Kostas

I don’t know that I like grabbing both kessler and sharpe, because I’d probably prefer another perimeter player, but this is probably what I’ll be playing around with for awhile.

[JonHeist]

I personally like both of those guys a lot, especially Gafford. I do that trade pretty easy assuming it's even legal.

it is not legal

The new CBA is admittedly overwhelming so it's possible I'm wrong, but I think it would be legal. Dallas is not a second apron team, so they can aggregate salaries; both Milwaukee and Dallas are taking back less salary than they're sending out, and Detroit has plenty of cap space to accept the trade on their end.

give it a shot urself

https://www.spotrac.com/nba/trade-machine

not legal