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Post#81 » by MickeyDavis » Wed Oct 16, 2024 4:32 pm

Sam Amick talked with Giannis, Dame and Doc. Here are some snippets:

As a Bucks staffer walks by, Antetokounmpo grabs the man by the shoulder and asks a remarkably pointed question.

“If we don’t win this year, would you get fired?” Antetokounmpo asks with a wry smile to his co-worker. “Do you have it in the back of your mind, like, ‘(What) if this year doesn’t go well?’ Yeah, if we don’t win a championship, I might get traded. Yeah, this is the job we live. This is the world we’re living in. It’s everybody.”

It was heavy and humorous all at once, even more so when Antetokounmpo pulled a similar prank on Bucks general manager Jon Horst on his way out of the gym after the interview. From top to bottom, in other words, heads could roll here if it doesn’t go well. Or, heads could at least relocate.

“On a serious note, this is the job,” Antetokounmpo continued. “It’s the profession that we’re in. At any given moment, if you don’t succeed, that might be it for us. It was the same way with the previous coaching staff, and the year before, the players before. … If you don’t do a good enough job, you’re out.”

To hear Antetokounmpo tell it, Spanoulis’ combination of off-the-charts energy and high IQ is the kind of thing he’ll be taking with him into these crucial months ahead.

“Spanoulis has changed the way I think about things,” said Antetokounmpo, whose team went 1-3 in pool play and had the program’s first win at the Olympics in 16 years (over Australia). “My approach to the game. My love for the game. Sometimes, I think, you’re in your comfort zone. A lot of people are in a comfort zone, without even wanting to be there. You have to push. You have to demand from yourself, from the people around you. And he did that.”

“Every day, it was something else. He would just push me and push me and push me and push me, (saying) ‘You’ve got more to give. Come on. When I was 29, I was the best in Europe. I had back-to-back (championships). What are you doing?’

“All this conversation made me realize that I crave the challenge again,” added Antetokounmpo. “Of course, it pisses you off, but it puts you in the mood where you’re like, ‘Wait, I’m going to show you.’ You don’t want to let (Spanoulis) down. Like (with the Bucks), I don’t want to let Doc Rivers down. I don’t want to let Dame down. I don’t want to let my team down.”

“This year, a challenge for me is to be healthy,” he said. “A challenge for me is to play in the playoffs, to get out of the f—— first round. Assert myself even more.

“Every year for me is important because one day, I’m going to be 35 or 36 or 38 and I’m going to be like, ‘Oh, my prime just went, and I wasn’t able to do something.’ So dominate.”


“A big part of my life is my family — obviously my kids,” Lillard said. “That’s what means the most to me. So I was affected more by that than anything. But I was brought here to do a job and to show up. I did that to the best of my ability at that time. It just was tough. Everything was happening so fast for me last year.

“With parenting time, I couldn’t get anything set up. I didn’t even have a place to live for the first couple of months of the season. I was in a little apartment that they just had for me. I didn’t get to get things organized in my life. … But I think having a full summer and knowing what it is, I was able to kind of get everything set up to where this year could work for me much better than last year. I was able to get my s— together.”

“I’m doing great now,” he said. “I’m way more (at peace). It’s that way with everything, though. When hard times come, it feels like, ‘Damn, this is the hardest thing ever.’ And then when you get some time removed from it, you realize it’s not so bad.

“Like even gaining perspective being away from my family, away from my kids, it’s like, ‘It’s not ideal, but there’s people with way worse situations.’ There’s people in prison who can’t see their kids — wrongly convicted people. There’s people defending our country who don’t have the opportunity to do anything. I see my kids. I’m able to FaceTime my kids. I gained a lot of perspective. I was able to get myself set up much better this time around.”

“You’re trying to figure it out with another star and with somebody else who has the ball,” Lillard said. “(Antetokounmpo) had to figure it out with somebody else that has the ball. And that was the same thing for me. So I think that second year, obviously, you get more comfortable with what it looks like. You know the coach. I know my teammates. I know Giannis a lot better. I know what it’s like playing with Giannis a lot more.

“So all those things considered, I think that next year, you usually settle in and it’s better.”


To that end, Rivers saw improvement early on during the Bucks’ Southern California camp: more personal conversations between teammates, different kinds of laughter, that sort of thing. But on the court, where the Bucks so desperately need to be in sync, Rivers is hell-bent on encouraging the kinds of tough conversations that typically lead to growth.

“I showed a (video) clip where one player took a shot where he clearly should have thrown it to the other player, and the other player just ran down the floor (without saying anything),” Rivers said. “So I stopped it, and I said to the guy who didn’t get the ball, ‘OK, what were you thinking?’ He said, ‘Well (shrugs), he’s got to throw the ball.’ So I said, ‘OK, but you didn’t tell him.’ I was like, ‘Guys, we’ve got to get to the point where we (talk). It’s not a difficult conversation. There’s nothing wrong with saying, ‘Hey!’ And you know what? The guy’s going to say, ‘I missed you.’ Or he may not receive (the message) well, and then you’ve got to get through that too.

“But when you get through all that, you become a made team. There’s no f—— issues anymore.”

“This is the passive-aggressive generation,” he continued. “It’s amazing. From my standpoint in coaching, it’s the biggest difference (from past years). When Dominique (Wilkins) didn’t pass me the ball (in Atlanta). I’d say, ‘Nique, what the f—?’ And he would literally say, ‘Yeah, I saw you open. But I think I’m the better option.’ We would laugh about it. Or you get on the bus in my generation, and someone got their ass kicked. Boom! You’ve got to pick your s— up. It wasn’t me being mean.

“But now, we don’t get a lot of that. So we’re trying to encourage just more communication.”
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Post#82 » by LUKE23 » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:17 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:I'm less concerned about the individual efficiency of Dame/Giannis and more about the eye test with how they play off each other. Again, Dame/Giannis 2-man lineups were 121.5 points per-100 with a +10.2 net-rating. Outside of a bunch of "pick Jokic and one other Denver starter" pairings, they were offensively the best 2-man pairing in basketball despite all the hand-wringing over them not looking fully optimized. If there's "significant room for improvement" there, then we're talking like, Curry/Durant juggernaut level offense and we're basically gonna mow down the whole league lol.


If you put 1,000 minutes as the minimum, they were only around 30th for 2-man lineups in net rating. There is a TON of room for improvement.

The GA/Lillard/KM 3-man lineup was 2nd best 3-man lineup net rating in the NBA if you put it at 750+ minutes. Obviously, if the Dame/GA chemistry improves substantially and Middleton's surgery actually had a positive impact, that trio is where the true dominance lies.
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Post#83 » by Ron Swanson » Wed Oct 16, 2024 5:40 pm

Eh, 1,000 minutes is a pretty miniscule sample size for 2-man lineups, kinda akin to using the sub-300 minute Lillard/Beas/Crowder/Giannis/Brook lineup to illustrate how we were better with Jae (+15.6) instead of Khris. The only 2-man grouping with a better offensive efficiency within the area code of the Giannis/Dame minutes sample (1,700) was again, Jokic and Harden/PG (no longer applicable). All this to say while I never treat lineup data as gospel, this is probably the most confident I've ever felt about a Bucks offense in my lifetime. It's the least of my worries, even with Middleton's durability concerns.
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Post#85 » by humanrefutation » Wed Oct 16, 2024 11:57 pm

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That's so funny, I was just thinking about the Henry Ellenson hype train. I was living in Rice Lake when the Ellenson recruiting drive went into overtime. Bo Ryan was spotted at his games and there were rumors that Coach K, Cal, Izzo, and Roy Williams were making the trek up to Rice Lake (not sure if any of that was true, but it was funny to consider them dining at Lehman's Supper Club or grabbing a slice of pie from Norske Nook).

Of course, the Badgers miss out and he ends up at MU. But it was funny to be living up there when Henry Ellenson's recruitment drive was in full gear.
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Post#86 » by SupremeHustle » Thu Oct 17, 2024 2:40 am

Hold up. HOLD UPPPP!!! We signed Girth Nowitzki? (One of my all-time fav dumb nicknames I farted out).
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Post#87 » by Baddy Chuck » Thu Oct 17, 2024 3:12 am

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Shades of the 2021-22 season when we trotted out Semi Ojeleye, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Nwora for over 2,000 combined minutes. That's why all the 46-49 wins predictions are so non-sensical to me. You've got wing depth that can actually play (Trent, Prince, Wright). They may not matter as much in the playoffs, but that goes a long way in the regular season.
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Post#90 » by Siefer » Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:22 pm

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Shades of the 2021-22 season when we trotted out Semi Ojeleye, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Nwora for over 2,000 combined minutes. That's why all the 46-49 wins predictions are so non-sensical to me. You've got wing depth that can actually play (Trent, Prince, Wright). They may not matter as much in the playoffs, but that goes a long way in the regular season.


You can see the version of this that goes sideways, though. Middleton can't stay healthy, Dame and Brook fall off, Pat is completely done, none of the kids can play, etc.
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Post#91 » by raferfenix » Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:38 pm

Middleton's trajectory is concerning me the more I think on it.

Doc and Khris himself have sure been talking a big game about him.

But if he's still not ready for the opener, are we in a situation where he might not actually play for another month? And / or he's minutes restricted or slow or ends up getting hurt not too long afterwards.

Would love to be talked off the ledge!

Otherwise if Khris is just entering a Klay Thompson stage of his career we can't afford to wait as long and get as little for him as the Warriors did.
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Post#92 » by -Jragon- » Thu Oct 17, 2024 4:59 pm

It's us.. it's our attitude towards it.. we can't go a whole year again saying, 'well when KM comes back and can go full speed/when Dame's mind is sorted/when GA gets back.' It's all going to happen and maybe several times during the year. No more excuses, coaches should be working tirelessly to have a plan for if 1 of the 3 is out (even in-game) - how can the other 2 work together.

Stop with the disjointed bs -- be ready -- have schemes for Dame/KM, Dame GA and GA/KM for how we'll attack teams and use their strengths the most effectively.
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Shades of the 2021-22 season when we trotted out Semi Ojeleye, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Nwora for over 2,000 combined minutes. That's why all the 46-49 wins predictions are so non-sensical to me. You've got wing depth that can actually play (Trent, Prince, Wright). They may not matter as much in the playoffs, but that goes a long way in the regular season.


You can see the version of this that goes sideways, though. Middleton can't stay healthy, Dame and Brook fall off, Pat is completely done, none of the kids can play, etc.


Sure, there's a darkest timeline scenario for every contender in the East (everyone seemingly ignoring Jrue is 34 and Horford is 38, KP is made of glass and already missing half the season, PG and Embiid already hurt, etc.). I don't see much evidence of the bolded being true based on what we've seen recently on the court though. Dame and Brook both look sharp. Pat is Pat even if he can't win a dunk contest anymore, he'll be a solid 15-20 minute bench rotation guy until proven otherwise (ideally less if one of the younger dudes pops). Biggest concern is Middleton's legs, but that's more of a playoff concern IMO.
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Post#94 » by fansinceforever » Thu Oct 17, 2024 5:58 pm

There's legitimate risk for a complete let down and there's upside that could mean a return to the finals.

That's why I went with 51 wins and 2nd Rd. It's very Buckslike to leave us with more questions than answers.
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Shades of the 2021-22 season when we trotted out Semi Ojeleye, Rodney Hood, and Jordan Nwora for over 2,000 combined minutes. That's why all the 46-49 wins predictions are so non-sensical to me. You've got wing depth that can actually play (Trent, Prince, Wright). They may not matter as much in the playoffs, but that goes a long way in the regular season.

This is where I'm at. They won 49 last year and the season was a mess. I think the depth and roster construction is way better and they should be more comfortable under the system. Plus, I think they'll all have a pretty big chip on their shoulder and we could be in for a nice f*** you season.

The likely relevant youth, with the exception of potentially Johnson, also will have another year under their belt and should be better (they still might suck, idk).
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Post#99 » by Bernman » Thu Oct 17, 2024 7:59 pm

They're throwing a lot of crap at the wall and hoping something sticks. I'd rather have done it w/ Stanley Johnson on account he's shown some shooting promise the last couple of seasons. But he signed abroad in July.

It's kind of an indictment of the youth though.
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Post#100 » by Dick Tate » Thu Oct 17, 2024 8:24 pm

Is Winslow (MarJon's replacement?) going to play tonight?

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