ImageImage

PG Sixers - Solid Win

Moderators: MickeyDavis, paulpressey25

User avatar
tedbrogen
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,261
And1: 3,779
Joined: Jun 20, 2008

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#81 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:16 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:People can say they "loved" what they saw out of Dame, but c'mon, you're just saying that cuz he made shots lol. But this is why the hot/cold Dame takes are so fickle and belay the point. He's like, one of a handful of guys in this league where a pull-up 3 from 30-feet charging around a screen is actually a "good look" for him. As a Bucks fan, it's super weird seeing a guy who can do **** like this consistently after years of being subject to substandard and even downright trash guard offense.


I love what I saw out of Dame because he had nine boards and tried a pretty hard most of the night on D. Last season he wasn’t in shape to do that AND be the first option on offense.
User avatar
tedbrogen
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,261
And1: 3,779
Joined: Jun 20, 2008

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#82 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:18 pm

emunney wrote:Also Pat looks better the more ball and player movement there is.

ALSO how long have we been begging for the team to work to get Giannis elbow catches? So good to see that emphasized.


If Pat is back to guy who was in closing lineups in finals games instead of arguably worst rotational player in the league, that’s a huge deal for the Bucks.
User avatar
tedbrogen
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,261
And1: 3,779
Joined: Jun 20, 2008

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#83 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:21 pm

ShootingtheJ wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
BigO wrote:Things I liked:

1) Made a concerted effort to post up Giannis
2) Decent perimeter defense
3) Doing whatever they can to keep Lopez down low on defense

Things I didn't:

1) I still don't want Giannis attacking the basket when he's at the top of the key in the regular season, unless it's crunch time. It's the main recipe for injury.
2) I would post up Lopez more and have him as a roller more on pnr.
3) Green was really bad guarding Maxie, but he needs to be given more chances to see if he is viable.


Biggest takeaway from the game for me outside of svelte Dame. Granted it was a banged up 76ers squad on a one game sample but if the other four players can figure out how to effectively guard the perimeter, while keeping Brook down low by any means necessary, he can still positively impact the game defensively. Good start.


Easy to keep Brook down low against a complete non shooter like Drummond. Unfortunately, every contender has a shooting center.

Huge that GTJ and Wright kept up to Maxey. Jrue couldn't even do that in the past.

Philly is really slow and unathletic outside of Maxey. Perfect matchup for us.


Even with Embiid the Sixers are still a team that Bucks matchup well with because you want Embiid shooting threes rather than in the post. So you still keep Brook inside and let Embiid chuck high volume.
User avatar
Bernman
RealGM
Posts: 27,901
And1: 8,404
Joined: Aug 05, 2004
     

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#84 » by Bernman » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:21 pm

Read on Twitter
User avatar
paulpressey25
Senior Mod - Bucks
Senior Mod - Bucks
Posts: 62,733
And1: 29,950
Joined: Oct 27, 2002
     

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#85 » by paulpressey25 » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:50 pm

The Lopez discussion is ridiculous. You've got a 37 year old guy who plays like a 25 year old, and teams don't want to go into the lane on him.

The entire issue with Lopez and Bobby is you've got to use them situationally. Both guys have great value, but they don't fit in every scenario depending on the matchups.

This is why some of us still whine for 2021 PJ Tucker. The guy was the perfect compliment.
In depth discussions here - shorter stuff on Twitter

https://twitter.com/paulpressey25
ShootingtheJ
RealGM
Posts: 11,691
And1: 7,329
Joined: Jun 20, 2010

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#86 » by ShootingtheJ » Thu Oct 24, 2024 4:54 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
ShootingtheJ wrote:
JimmyTheKid wrote:
Biggest takeaway from the game for me outside of svelte Dame. Granted it was a banged up 76ers squad on a one game sample but if the other four players can figure out how to effectively guard the perimeter, while keeping Brook down low by any means necessary, he can still positively impact the game defensively. Good start.


Easy to keep Brook down low against a complete non shooter like Drummond. Unfortunately, every contender has a shooting center.

Huge that GTJ and Wright kept up to Maxey. Jrue couldn't even do that in the past.

Philly is really slow and unathletic outside of Maxey. Perfect matchup for us.


Even with Embiid the Sixers are still a team that Bucks matchup well with because you want Embiid shooting threes rather than in the post. So you still keep Brook inside and let Embiid chuck high volume.


Agree. The 76ers are not a contender, they'll be a play-in team at best.
-Jragon-
General Manager
Posts: 8,489
And1: 2,302
Joined: Nov 07, 2005
Contact:
     

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#87 » by -Jragon- » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:07 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:People can say they "loved" what they saw out of Dame, but c'mon, you're just saying that cuz he made shots lol. But this is why the hot/cold Dame takes are so fickle and belay the point. He's like, one of a handful of guys in this league where a pull-up 3 from 30-feet charging around a screen is actually a "good look" for him. As a Bucks fan, it's super weird seeing a guy who can do **** like this consistently after years of being subject to substandard and even downright trash guard offense.


That's because when Dame is on fire there's not really a better play in basketball then to give him the ball and set a screen. If they come over the screen then he's already in the lane gone.. he's a human video game.

He scores efficiently and in bunches.. plus it looks effortless.. he's not falling on the ground grimacing every play, we should he aiming to get him 30+ every game and our offense will be on all cylinders with everyone getting open space.

Screens for Dame in different ways/angles should be our main play.. when the D sells out on it he should start finding Giannis for the 1v1 he'll be left with. Our 3rd action should be back cuts or back screens into the lane. I saw us do some nice ones last night. Brook popping a 3 should be last on the list this year.

Giannis needs to find some easier ways to score off of that Dame energy.. he's too big to be falling that much and expect to last all year. Get him the ball lower post and have an explosive move up for a backboard finish, then once you have that now your pump fakes will start working better and you'll get straight line step through dunks/rolls with 1 or 0 dribbles. I think the long Gyro step stuff (combined with the contact and falling) is putting his leg/knee/etc in vulnerable positions.
-Jragon-
General Manager
Posts: 8,489
And1: 2,302
Joined: Nov 07, 2005
Contact:
     

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#88 » by -Jragon- » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:16 pm

While on safety topics, when KM comes back I wish he would stay out of the high post too.. either catch deep and be in your pivot/pump/flicks bag or shoot 3s but every year he has been getting hurt dribbling into the paint, trying to jump and shoot over guys in there and getting hurt. (Just like every other guys that tries that). It's s a free way for the defense to just keep a foot under you so you have to leave the game and they can win easier. From a lower catch his step backs/fades will be easier, too with less injury risk.
User avatar
emunney
RealGM
Posts: 63,088
And1: 41,577
Joined: Feb 22, 2005
Location: where takes go to be pampered

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#89 » by emunney » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:20 pm

paulpressey25 wrote:The Lopez discussion is ridiculous. You've got a 37 year old guy who plays like a 25 year old, and teams don't want to go into the lane on him.

The entire issue with Lopez and Bobby is you've got to use them situationally. Both guys have great value, but they don't fit in every scenario depending on the matchups.

This is why some of us still whine for 2021 PJ Tucker. The guy was the perfect compliment.


Apart from his stupid over-aggressiveness guarding the ball on the perimeter, the problem with Dre for me is the fact that he's just not big and strong enough to fight with true bigs in the post. So while if he can play a more disciplined game on the ball, he'll be a useful piece (and I maintain that he's the best passer on the team, a wrinkle we haven't attempted to utilize), he'll never be useful as a switchable big in the way that PJ was.
Here are more legal notices regarding the Posts
User avatar
GoldenAntlers
RealGM
Posts: 10,663
And1: 5,338
Joined: Feb 13, 2013
 

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#90 » by GoldenAntlers » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:21 pm

Any rewatch available?
Still can't believe I missed the game.
"Silence is a source of great strength." - Lao Tzu
User avatar
tedbrogen
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,261
And1: 3,779
Joined: Jun 20, 2008

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#91 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:25 pm

GoldenAntlers wrote:Any rewatch available?
Still can't believe I missed the game.


NBA League Pass is usually free the first week of the season. I’d assume that would mean the replays are available too.
old skool
General Manager
Posts: 8,009
And1: 3,763
Joined: Jul 07, 2005
Location: Chi

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#92 » by old skool » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:27 pm

Bucks vs Sixers is such a study in contrasts.

The Bucks have a huge question mark in Middleton. He makes a significant difference when he is available. He makes the Bucks smarter and more skilled. Without him they are good. With him, they are very good - potentially great.

The Sixers have a similar issue with Embiid, but the difference is that they are a totally different offense and defense when he is playing or not. Middleton adds to the Bucks team. Embiid IS the Sizers team. Without him, they have to scrap their schemes and revert to Plan B.

Milwaukee hopes that Middleton does not miss a key chunk of the season. Bucks fans hope that Middleton can play 60 or 70 games and, like last year, be ready for the playoffs.

Philadelphia KNOWS that Embiid is missing a significant number of games. Almost to the point that they have those games scheduled. Sixer fans know that Embiid will likely miss 30 or more games, having played in only 433 games in the ten seasons since he was drafted and never playing more than 68 games in any season. That provides the Sixers a lot of clarity, and not in a good way.
-Jragon-
General Manager
Posts: 8,489
And1: 2,302
Joined: Nov 07, 2005
Contact:
     

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#93 » by -Jragon- » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:32 pm

Someone pointed out on the game thread that Giannis looked better without Dame in and vice versa. We all saw last playoffs that KM looked better without both of them too... this likely will be the lingering issue --- now that the coaching looks organized
User avatar
engelmartin
Lead Assistant
Posts: 4,821
And1: 2,394
Joined: Jun 03, 2013
         

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#94 » by engelmartin » Thu Oct 24, 2024 5:41 pm

tedbrogen wrote:
GoldenAntlers wrote:Any rewatch available?
Still can't believe I missed the game.


NBA League Pass is usually free the first week of the season. I’d assume that would mean the replays are available too.

Just checked. You can buy the replay for .99 cents on league pass, I wonder if it’ll be the same deal the whole season.
KnicksGod wrote:Middleton probably the most underrated player in NBA History
User avatar
Bernman
RealGM
Posts: 27,901
And1: 8,404
Joined: Aug 05, 2004
     

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#95 » by Bernman » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:06 pm

engelmartin wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
GoldenAntlers wrote:Any rewatch available?
Still can't believe I missed the game.


NBA League Pass is usually free the first week of the season. I’d assume that would mean the replays are available too.

Just checked. You can buy the replay for .99 cents on league pass, I wonder if it’ll be the same deal the whole season.


https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/38a11f38-1d75-4655-b4ab-f1537000d0b1

the espn game replays are free period, if your carrier has espn

Check this page (or go to NBA, On Demand on the app):

https://www.espn.com/watch/schedule/_/type/replay/startDate/20241023
User avatar
tedbrogen
Assistant Coach
Posts: 4,261
And1: 3,779
Joined: Jun 20, 2008

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#96 » by tedbrogen » Thu Oct 24, 2024 6:12 pm

engelmartin wrote:
tedbrogen wrote:
GoldenAntlers wrote:Any rewatch available?
Still can't believe I missed the game.


NBA League Pass is usually free the first week of the season. I’d assume that would mean the replays are available too.

Just checked. You can buy the replay for .99 cents on league pass, I wonder if it’ll be the same deal the whole season.


$81.18 to watch every game all season.
jimmybones
Lead Assistant
Posts: 5,736
And1: 3,271
Joined: May 29, 2009
Location: MKE
     

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#97 » by jimmybones » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:17 pm

emunney wrote:Also Pat looks better the more ball and player movement there is.

ALSO how long have we been begging for the team to work to get Giannis elbow catches? So good to see that emphasized.


Khris being healthy to obviously lift the ceiling of our main unit but also put Prince in a more appropriate role. A bench of Delon, Pat, Prince and Bobby offers a really good mix of skillset plus a lot of grizzled vet steadiness and good old fashioned 'just knowing where to be on the court'.

Broken record here, but if healthy our top 9 is really good.
User avatar
Sigra
RealGM
Posts: 15,417
And1: 1,460
Joined: Sep 08, 2005
Location: Aug 02, 2002
     

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#98 » by Sigra » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:31 pm

Just finished watching. Guys, we finally have Dame Lillard. Last years it was not him.
User avatar
Brewhoopfan
Sixth Man
Posts: 1,994
And1: 2,127
Joined: Nov 20, 2017
 

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#99 » by Brewhoopfan » Thu Oct 24, 2024 8:37 pm

It's 99% likely to be meaningless, but I did not have "Tyler Smith is the first off the bench for garbage time" on my Bingo card. Maybe they see something there I don't.
old skool
General Manager
Posts: 8,009
And1: 3,763
Joined: Jul 07, 2005
Location: Chi

Re: PG Sixers - Solid Win 

Post#100 » by old skool » Thu Oct 24, 2024 9:15 pm

Brewhoopfan wrote:It's 99% likely to be meaningless, but I did not have "Tyler Smith is the first off the bench for garbage time" on my Bingo card. Maybe they see something there I don't.
I felt the first substitution was more about who got to rest on the bench than who entered the game.

Return to Milwaukee Bucks