2015-16 UW Badger Basketball Discussion Thread

[Badgerlander]

If Hayes keeps working on his 3 ball Happ+Stone will destroy teams inside. Koenig/ZShow/Hayes/Happ/Stone

Showalter is not starting material, his role is exactly what it is now.....will be interesting to see if Happ and Hill can actually play well in a game, big difference between being a practice player and being someone who can play all facets with bright lights on you.

We are talking next year so they both have the summer to work on their game. Don't forget that Happ averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3.4 steals in 30 minutes per game, 65% FG last spring in the Albert Schweitzer Tournament and led the US to the gold medal game.

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[xTitan]

If Hayes keeps working on his 3 ball Happ+Stone will destroy teams inside. Koenig/ZShow/Hayes/Happ/Stone

Showalter is not starting material, his role is exactly what it is now.....will be interesting to see if Happ and Hill can actually play well in a game, big difference between being a practice player and being someone who can play all facets with bright lights on you.

We are talking next year so they both have the summer to work on their game. Don't forget that Happ averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3.4 steals in 30 minutes per game, 65% FG last spring in the Albert Schweitzer Tournament and led the US to the gold medal game.

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I am not saying Happ can't play, just saying there is a big difference between practice/all star games and the heat of battle in the Big Ten and the tournament. Showalter is what he is and that is not a Big Ten quality starter, been with the program 3 years, can't afford to start a guy the other team doesn't need to defend.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Showalter is not starting material, his role is exactly what it is now.....will be interesting to see if Happ and Hill can actually play well in a game, big difference between being a practice player and being someone who can play all facets with bright lights on you.

We are talking next year so they both have the summer to work on their game. Don't forget that Happ averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3.4 steals in 30 minutes per game, 65% FG last spring in the Albert Schweitzer Tournament and led the US to the gold medal game.

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I am not saying Happ can't play, just saying there is a big difference between practice/all star games and the heat of battle in the Big Ten and the tournament. Showalter is what he is and that is not a Big Ten quality starter, been with the program 3 years, can't afford to start a guy the other team doesn't need to defend.

You mean like Tim Jarmusz?

[xTitan]

We are talking next year so they both have the summer to work on their game. Don't forget that Happ averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3.4 steals in 30 minutes per game, 65% FG last spring in the Albert Schweitzer Tournament and led the US to the gold medal game.

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I am not saying Happ can't play, just saying there is a big difference between practice/all star games and the heat of battle in the Big Ten and the tournament. Showalter is what he is and that is not a Big Ten quality starter, been with the program 3 years, can't afford to start a guy the other team doesn't need to defend.

You mean like Tim Jarmusz?

Exactly...perfect example

[Kerb Hohl]

Of course I hope Pritzl is good enough to start or Hill is (and Bo wants to play him at the 2 if he's the backup PG)...but Showalter starting makes some sense.

He could probably be twice the scorer that Jarmusz (that's not saying much) was, and I think he could improve the 3P shooting. Somebody is going to have to guard the other team's best scoring guard. I think that's Showalter...I am not a fan of putting an offensively challenged player in the lineup but I think that is what Bo will do.

[Badgerlander]

Showalter is not starting material, his role is exactly what it is now.....will be interesting to see if Happ and Hill can actually play well in a game, big difference between being a practice player and being someone who can play all facets with bright lights on you.

We are talking next year so they both have the summer to work on their game. Don't forget that Happ averaged 19 points, 11 rebounds, 3.4 steals in 30 minutes per game, 65% FG last spring in the Albert Schweitzer Tournament and led the US to the gold medal game.

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I am not saying Happ can't play, just saying there is a big difference between practice/all star games and the heat of battle in the Big Ten and the tournament. Showalter is what he is and that is not a Big Ten quality starter, been with the program 3 years, can't afford to start a guy the other team doesn't need to defend.

It all depends on spacing needs (which could be a problem with Stone+Happ) but it's not like Gasser or Krabbenhoft are/were big scorers. They are 3 and D guys with an emphasis on D which is what Zak would be.

[emunney]

Hayes reminds me of Caron Butler.

[PkrsBcksGphsMqt]

Hayes reminds me of Caron Butler.

[chonestown]

If Hayes keeps working on his 3 ball Happ+Stone will destroy teams inside. Koenig/ZShow/Hayes/Happ/Stone

Showalter is not starting material, his role is exactly what it is now.....will be interesting to see if Happ and Hill can actually play well in a game, big difference between being a practice player and being someone who can play all facets with bright lights on you.

I'm not a huge advocate of Showalter, but if he can show the ability to hit an open 3, he'll be Gasser with less ball handling but more athletic defense. He checked Young well for a short time on Sunday. I could see him starting - especially if Hill is considered the backup PG.

Showalter cannot shoot at all. He's a live body, can defend some and doesn't play scared. Borderline scholarship player. Certainly nowhere near the potential of a walk-on like Clayton Hansen. I think he'll be part of the rotation next year due to backcourt thinness, but Hill and Koenig will sop up most of the minutes, with Pritzl and possibly Iverson getting significant chunks.

Big fan of Pritzl solely based on his appraisal of his range: "I can shoot the piss out of the ball." Alright then.

[Bernman]

You act like shooting isn't a realistically improvable skill. History has shown it's one of the most improvable ones. A recent example is Hayes.

With that in mind, Showalter actually has more "potential" than Hanson. He might have more "potential" than post-ACL Gasser even. He could develop shooting, and he can already play above the rim, defend, and rebound.

He is a guy who is growing on me some. Time will tell how well he develops his shooting and in turn factors in. If he would somehow become a good shooter, he'd be the perfect 3+d glue guy for the team. Stone-Dekker/Happ-Hayes-Koenig doesn't need a big scorer to complement them. In fact it may be counter-productive, taking better shots away from them. That's kind of what I worry about with Hill. From the way he talks, and what he's shown so far, the ego may exceed the production. That type of guy is better as a 6th man on a team with other firepower.

If everything comes together nearly perfectly for next year we'd have:

Stone/Happ/(Brown)
Hayes/Happ
Dekker/Iverson
Showalter (w/ improved 3)/Hill or Iverson
Koenig/Hill

That could be a really strong lineup with a lot of potency, complementary skills, and the right amount of depth, to be national champ contenders again. Maybe better than this year.

[Mr Anonymous]

You'd think Kaminsky would be the final reminder we'd need not to judge Bo Ryan recruits based off of their production through their sophomore season.

[xTitan]

You'd think Kaminsky would be the final reminder we'd need not to judge Bo Ryan recruits based off of their production through their sophomore season.

Kaminsky showed some signs at the end of his shmore year that he was at least a shooter, aside from Koenig and Hayes we have seen nothing from underclass man.

[xTitan]

You act like shooting isn't a realistically improvable skill. History has shown it's one of the most improvable ones. A recent example is Hayes.

With that in mind, Showalter actually has more "potential" than Hanson. He might have more "potential" than post-ACL Gasser even. He could develop shooting, and he can already play above the rim, defend, and rebound.

He is a guy who is growing on me some. Time will tell how well he develops his shooting and in turn factors in. If he would somehow become a good shooter, he'd be the perfect 3+d glue guy for the team. Stone-Dekker/Happ-Hayes-Koenig doesn't need a big scorer to complement them. In fact it may be counter-productive, taking better shots away from them. That's kind of what I worry about with Hill. From the way he talks, and what he's shown so far, the ego may exceed the production. That type of guy is better as a 6th man on a team with other firepower.

If everything comes together nearly perfectly for next year we'd have:

Stone/Happ/(Brown)
Hayes/Happ
Dekker/Iverson
Showalter (w/ improved 3)/Hill or Iverson
Koenig/Hill

That could be a really strong lineup with a lot of potency, complementary skills, and the right amount of depth, to be national champ contenders again. Maybe better than this year.

We will agree to disagree on Showalter, he is a mid major talent IMO, but could fit his current role moving forward. Dekker is not coming back to UW for his senior year, but hopeful they will land Diamond Stone.

[HaroldinGMinor]

I'd be willing to bet one or more of the following will surprise and play significant minutes next year:

Brown
Dearring
Schlundt
Pritzl
Illikainen
Thmoas

[Bernman]

Schlundt or Brown probably have the best chance. They've shown flashes of attributes we need for a rotation player, i.e.: long-distance shooting, mid-range, rebounding, etc. Schlundt is a real unknown because almost all the hype comes from one scrimmage.

I'd bet a lot Dearring doesn't because he shown a positive in zero areas. Or he won't be a viable rotation player. Who cares who gets minutes because someone has to. Tanner Bronson got minutes and it was painful.

[HaroldinGMinor]

Schlundt or Brown probably have the best chance. They've shown flashes of attributes we need for a rotation player, i.e.: long-distance shooting, mid-range, rebounding, etc. Schlundt is a real unknown because almost all the hype comes from one scrimmage.

I'd bet a lot Dearring doesn't because he shown a positive in zero areas. Or he won't be a viable rotation player. Who cares who gets minutes because someone has to. Tanner Bronson got minutes and it was painful.

Best 3 Pt % on the team!

[On_Wisconsin]

Koenig/Hayes/Happ/Stone with a fifth guy like Pritzl/Iverson/Showalter/Hill completely murders teams.

Koenig/Showalter/Hayes/Happ/Stone
Holy hell that would be amazing to watch.

I know Happ is super talented and everything but how is he as a shooter? That would be icing on the cake honestly


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[chonestown]

Showalter is in his 3rd year in the program. He's an undersized 2 who can't shoot or a 1 who can't serve as the primary ballhandler. At least he makes up for it by attempting wildly unfeasible tip dunks.

Clay Hansen was a legitimate starter on a final 8 team. ZS is not in the same stratosphere as him. Hansen was a 6'4" guard who could defend and shoot from deep. I like Showy, but if he's seeing time it speaks to an unbalanced roster composition and other recruits performing well below expectation.

[Bernman]

Jarmusz was a HUGE problem btw, and it wasn't because he didn't score much, rather he didn't even threaten. He'd balk at open 3's and take forever when he did shoot them. So teams could sag off him hardcore and make it difficult on his teammates to score inside.

I wouldn't call Jarmusz' years glory ones for the program. It was a relative dark period, actually. Zero B1G titles in the 3 years he got significant minutes. Actually, we weren't even close. Even though we finished in a tie for 4th technically, we were the 6th best team in the B1G in '08-'09, and barely got into the tourney. We were 4th the next year. 3rd the following one. We won a few tourney games overall, but never went that far, had a bunch of losses to mid majors, got walloped a # of times, and couldn't score much.

I wouldn't want to return to that era with someone like him. Good thing Showalter isn't really. With his athleticism he can dive cut to the rim and rebound already. And what 3-point shooting he has isn't slow loading or tentative. He just needs to get more accurate now. Otherwise someone can improve on their weakness(es) better and take his place.

[Bernman]

Koenig/Hayes/Happ/Stone with a fifth guy like Pritzl/Iverson/Showalter/Hill completely murders teams.

Koenig/Showalter/Hayes/Happ/Stone
Holy hell that would be amazing to watch.

I know Happ is super talented and everything but how is he as a shooter? That would be icing on the cake honestly

He came in with it being a weakness, but in one of the articles hyping him it talked about how he's pretty efficient now IN PRACTICES because they changed his form.