Giannis' Development

[Xanadu]

I have a bad feeling MCW is going to be a long time Buck

Giannis can make new friends. Just have his mom tell him she thinks MCW is a bad influence. Problem solved because a good boy like Giannis listens to his mommy.

[Magic Giannison]

I have a bad feeling MCW is going to be a long time Buck

Giannis can make new friends. Just have his mom tell him she thinks MCW is a bad influence. Problem solved because a good boy like Giannis listens to his mommy.

Brb crossdressing as Gianni's mom.

[Xanadu]

I have a bad feeling MCW is going to be a long time Buck

Giannis can make new friends. Just have his mom tell him she thinks MCW is a bad influence. Problem solved because a good boy like Giannis listens to his mommy.

Brb crossdressing as Gianni's mom.

If you need some cash to make it convincing I say we start a kick starter. Need a gender change or a new dress. No problem Realgm and Bucks nation will do almost anything to MCW off this team.

[Chapter29]

I see MCW staying with the Bucks, not because I think he's got much room to grow or that he's Giannis' good friend. Mainly because he doesn't have any real trade value.

I don't think for 1 second that we will consider whether he's Giannis' friend or not. This is a business. IMO Kidd wont be making GM moves in the future so he will just be a voice hopefully like any other coach. IMO he is very likely to still be our coach though. Which is OK, but we could certainly do better. He needs to show improvement next season as I see him still as a coach in training, but he's done well with our 2 young studs.

[DutchManDanFan]

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Games       MIN PTS   REB  AST BLK STL TO  A/TO
First 54 - 34.8 16    7.3  2.8 1.2 1   2.5  1.1
Last  16 - 37.1 19.6  8.8  8.3 2   1.7 2.5  3.3

[MartyConlonOnTheRun]

Does Giannis have a chance to be player of the month?

[greekbuck34]

Does Giannis have a chance to be player of the month?

Nope and but he is the favorite for MIP atm imo so it doesn't matter.

[3Diamantidis]

Does Giannis have a chance to be player of the month?

Nope and but he is the favorite for MIP atm imo so it doesn't matter.

I don't think so. Mccollum is the favorite and he'll win because portland can win some games more and get into the playoffs.
Even if giannis had TD every 3-4 games, still he would not be awarded as player of the month
The team must be winning as well

[greekbuck34]

Does Giannis have a chance to be player of the month?

Nope and but he is the favorite for MIP atm imo so it doesn't matter.

I don't think so. Mccollum is the favorite and he'll win because portland can win some games more and get into the playoffs.
Even if giannis had TD every 3-4 games, still he would not be awarded as player of the month
The team must be winning as well

Mccollum played on par with SF-Giannis pre-ASB and he is playing the same ball post-ASB.
PG-Giannis is playing on superstar level post-ASB.
I doubt the coaches will take in consideration the results of each team for this specific award.

BTW Giannis beats CJ Mccollum in efficiency even in pre asb stats by quite the gap.


CJ Mccollum (pre ASB) = 16.9
CJ Mccollum (post ASB) = 17.1

Giannis (pre ASB) = 18.5
Magic Giannison (post ASB) = 28.4

I think with all the hype he is getting now as the 7ft Pointguard he became the favorite for the MIP atm.

[Prez]

It's most improved..you're only factoring in how they're playing, not how much they've improved. Giannis was already at 13/7/3 last year and has improved by a decent amount but not by a massive margin. McCollum went from a 15 mpg bench guy averaging 7ppg to just about fringe all star level. He has literally more than tripled his scoring. He might not be as good as post-ASB Giannis but his improvement from year to year is much bigger.

[greekbuck34]

It's most improved..you're only factoring in how they're playing, not how much they've improved. Giannis was already at 13/7/3 last year and has improved by a decent amount but not by a massive margin. McCollum went from a 15 mpg bench guy averaging 7ppg to just about fringe all star level. He has literally more than tripled his scoring. He might not be as good as post-ASB Giannis but his improvement from year to year is much bigger.

So you re saying that the minutes/role of a player is the most important factor for a Most Improved Player award. Because aside of that Mccollum is almost the same with last year.

Per 36mins the difference in the last two seasons are:

+ 5,6 points per game but with extra 5 field goal attempts!
+ 2 assists with an extra turnover
+ 10% on his free throws

Everything else remained the same.

14/15
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203468/stats/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36
15/16
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203468/stats/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36

All I'm saying is that Giannis has been visibly improved in so many things compared to last season without dramatically increasing his minutes and his field goal attempts per game.

He isn't anymore majorly inconsistent.
He stopped charging into people and turned into one of the best transition players in the league.
He is already an elite defender even in the role he is playing(plenty of switches).
He found more ways of scoring without improving his shot.
He improved dramaticaly his physique. He is visibly bigger, faster and stronger than last year.
He turned successfuly into a point forward with some Westbrook numbers without increasing his turnovers.

[RRyder823]

It's most improved..you're only factoring in how they're playing, not how much they've improved. Giannis was already at 13/7/3 last year and has improved by a decent amount but not by a massive margin. McCollum went from a 15 mpg bench guy averaging 7ppg to just about fringe all star level. He has literally more than tripled his scoring. He might not be as good as post-ASB Giannis but his improvement from year to year is much bigger.

So you re saying that the minutes/role of a player is the most important factor for a Most Improved Player award. Because aside of that Mccollum is almost the same with last year.

Per 36mins the difference in the last two seasons are:

+ 5,6 points per game but with extra 5 field goal attempts!
+ 2 assists with an extra turnover
+ 10% on his free throws

Everything else remained the same.

14/15
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203468/stats/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36
15/16
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203468/stats/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36

All I'm saying is that Giannis has been visibly improved in so many things compared to last season without dramatically increasing his minutes and his field goal attempts per game.

He isn't anymore majorly inconsistent.
He stopped charging into people and turned into one of the best transition players in the league.
He is already an elite defender even in the role he is playing(plenty of switches).
He found more ways of scoring without improving his shot.
He improved dramaticaly his physique. He is visibly bigger, faster and stronger than last year.
He turned successfuly into a point forward with some Westbrook numbers without increasing his turnovers.

The only problem with the argument here is that PER36 is imo the absolute worst stat there is so using it as point against him as his role increased to argue that he hasn't improved much and it's simply a matter of him playing more to me is just plain wrong

[Iheartfootball]

I just realized the Bucks have a developing superstar on their squad. I'm 37. My last Ray of hope was 2001. It's been long enough. Let's go Bucks!

Another Renaissance is going on in WI in the next 2-4 years. The Packers will always compete for a championship. Badgers are typically on the mix in both sports. Basketball is particularly intriguing next few years. Bucks are contenders in 2 years. Then the window is open for the next 3-4. And the Brewers window opens in 3 years. They are going to be better than the Braun, Prince, Weeks team.

Probably needs a new thread. Just not sure where?

[greekbuck34]

It's most improved..you're only factoring in how they're playing, not how much they've improved. Giannis was already at 13/7/3 last year and has improved by a decent amount but not by a massive margin. McCollum went from a 15 mpg bench guy averaging 7ppg to just about fringe all star level. He has literally more than tripled his scoring. He might not be as good as post-ASB Giannis but his improvement from year to year is much bigger.

So you re saying that the minutes/role of a player is the most important factor for a Most Improved Player award. Because aside of that Mccollum is almost the same with last year.

Per 36mins the difference in the last two seasons are:

+ 5,6 points per game but with extra 5 field goal attempts!
+ 2 assists with an extra turnover
+ 10% on his free throws

Everything else remained the same.

14/15
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203468/stats/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36
15/16
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203468/stats/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36

All I'm saying is that Giannis has been visibly improved in so many things compared to last season without dramatically increasing his minutes and his field goal attempts per game.

He isn't anymore majorly inconsistent.
He stopped charging into people and turned into one of the best transition players in the league.
He is already an elite defender even in the role he is playing(plenty of switches).
He found more ways of scoring without improving his shot.
He improved dramaticaly his physique. He is visibly bigger, faster and stronger than last year.
He turned successfuly into a point forward with some Westbrook numbers without increasing his turnovers.

The only problem with the argument here is that PER36 is imo the absolute worst stat there is so using it as point against him as his role increased to argue that he hasn't improved much and it's simply a matter of him playing more to me is just plain wrong

It would have been easier if we knew how exactly they suppose to make their picks for MIP.
Based on stats?
The difference in their efficiency?
The difference on the role of the player in each season?
On the maturity the player showed on his game?
On the effect the player had on the impovement of his team.

Butler for example had it all last season and it waw the easiest pick of the year.

Anyway I just wanted to say that I don't think that McCollum is the favorite for the MIP atm.
I think Kawai Leonard for example is a better choice than him since an improvement in an already high level of basketball is much harder than the kind of McCollum had with the raise on his mpg and his fga.
The same stands for Giannis and Khris imo...

[Prez]

It's most improved..you're only factoring in how they're playing, not how much they've improved. Giannis was already at 13/7/3 last year and has improved by a decent amount but not by a massive margin. McCollum went from a 15 mpg bench guy averaging 7ppg to just about fringe all star level. He has literally more than tripled his scoring. He might not be as good as post-ASB Giannis but his improvement from year to year is much bigger.

So you re saying that the minutes/role of a player is the most important factor for a Most Improved Player award. Because aside of that Mccollum is almost the same with last year.

Per 36mins the difference in the last two seasons are:

+ 5,6 points per game but with extra 5 field goal attempts!
+ 2 assists with an extra turnover
+ 10% on his free throws

Everything else remained the same.

14/15
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203468/stats/?Season=2014-15&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36
15/16
http://stats.nba.com/player/#!/203468/stats/?Season=2015-16&SeasonType=Regular%20Season&PerMode=Per36

All I'm saying is that Giannis has been visibly improved in so many things compared to last season without dramatically increasing his minutes and his field goal attempts per game.

He isn't anymore majorly inconsistent.
He stopped charging into people and turned into one of the best transition players in the league.
He is already an elite defender even in the role he is playing(plenty of switches).
He found more ways of scoring without improving his shot.
He improved dramaticaly his physique. He is visibly bigger, faster and stronger than last year.
He turned successfuly into a point forward with some Westbrook numbers without increasing his turnovers.

Per36 is a meaningless stat when the guy in discussion is going from a 15 minute bench role to being close to a face of a franchise. You can't just stretch it out and say "well he's not really producing that much more if you look at it per minute...", that's not how it works. Any random mediocre player can put up amazing per36 production in small roles..it does not in any way mean they can stretch that out to 36 minutes. Marreese Speights is averaging 23/10 per36 the past two years...and he's not coming even remotely close to that if he actually got 36 minutes a game.

Giannis has improved a lot, no one is disputing that. But McCollum has literally tripled his scoring and went from a bench guy to a face of a franchise.

[MiltownHawkeye]

Giannis could maybe be MIP if he averages 30/12/12/4/4 the rest of the way.

[Chapter29]

Giannis has clearly taken the next step. I could care less about awards. I do care that he gets some recognition which he has and if you look at how teams are defending us? Well that should tell the story. He gets a ton of their attention and game plan.

As stated he stopped being out of control and charging, he has clearly become a very good PG in transition (heck he can create transition offense off of a made bucket) , his body is simply one of the best in the league at this point and he isn't done there either.

He as many would agree is a jumpshot away from being a superstar. I think with any improvement here and continuing to grow his PG skills he's an all-star next year. He will almost certainly improve at both and come back even stronger. Can't wait. Our first all-star in years! Hopefully Parker can try and keep pace with Giannis' growth.

[yitur]

Giannis has clearly taken the next step. I could care less about awards. I do care that he gets some recognition which he has and if you look at how teams are defending us? Well that should tell the story. He gets a ton of their attention and game plan.

As stated he stopped being out of control and charging, he has clearly become a very good PG in transition (heck he can create transition offense off of a made bucket) , his body is simply one of the best in the league at this point and he isn't done there either.

He as many would agree is a jumpshot away from being a superstar. I think with any improvement here and continuing to grow his PG skills he's an all-star next year. He will almost certainly improve at both and come back even stronger. Can't wait. Our first all-star in years! Hopefully Parker can try and keep pace with Giannis' growth.

I don't think he needs the jumpshot to become the superstar, you just need to surround him with at least one more knockdown shooter like Middleton.

[3Diamantidis]

Maybe it's for his own good to not receive any awards this season.
The last thing i want is to see him lose focus and not be concentrated.
In the last couple of games he seems tired(i don't know if it has to do with rotations or not).
He isn't distributing the ball well. Teams are adjusting in D.
I don't understand why he insists to not use the glass on layups. It has cost him a tone of buckets.
Also some flashy plays(throwing the ball on backboard and receive it back in an attempt for a spectacular dunk) would be good to stop now. It's not a dunk contest(nor a circus lol).

The positive? He is not losing the ball even in his bad nights. You would expect someone of his size, to have problem with his dribble with all these PG duties.
It is exciting to see that this isn't happening. His handles are great(for his size).

[breakchains]

Giannis has actually improved more but McCollum will win the award. Most of these awards are based on what happens earlier on in the year.