Giannis Thread - DPOY Page 88

[KidA24]

Why do you bring me the Raptos series were he wasn't even a bad passer there, the only reason he was forcing things towards the end was because ou whole team was missing **** of wide open shots.

I cant believe i have to remind Bucks fans who watch him play, the same people who wee glamoring him at playing point and being the main ball handler the same people who praised him for his playmaking now try to dismiss how he plays on a series whee he wasnt even bad at it.

its mind boggling you guys see and saw how freaking bad this team is without him with same spacing while having others create shots and we failed miserably, from Bledsoe to Middletton o XYZ player in this team.


if you guys are twisting reality and fact proven statistic just to tell me to accept Giannis is playing bad or w/e then you'e wasting your time.

Yep. I'm done here.

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"leaving Bledsoe alone isnt dangerous "

Nice video man good comedy
Save video he calls Giannis traveled whe he gets evidently hammered by Ibaka LMAO


Holy cow some people of this fanbase are unreal.

yes you're done here you cannot even argue anymore

I was always told never to argue with stupid people, they drag me down to their level and beat me with experience. (See, I can use logical fallacies to further my argument too - that one is an Ad hominem)

There's 8 minutes of video there explaining why Giannis isn't an elite passer.

Your response: "IBAKA FOULED HIM"

That logical fallacy is the red herring.

[Magic Giannison]

Yep. I'm done here.

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"leaving Bledsoe alone isnt dangerous "

Nice video man good comedy
Save video he calls Giannis traveled whe he gets evidently hammered by Ibaka LMAO


Holy cow some people of this fanbase are unreal.

yes you're done here you cannot even argue anymore

I was always told never to argue with stupid people, they drag me down to their level and beat me with experience.

There's 8 minutes of video there explaining why Giannis isn't an elite passer.

The video forgets to point out that Giannis is playing against the best defensive team in the last 15 years, it also fails to mention the Giannis potential assists from WIDE open shots which i pointed and it also failed to mention that Bucks had one of the worst shooting series as a team.

Keep arguing with other irrelevant videos where are tons of other disproving what 1 guy says, the video is totally had wrong foundation by itself.

Lebron got destroyed by Dallas and Spurs does that mean Lebron wasnt the best played on the planet because he had a series and we totally dismiss everything he did and displayed?


If im the stupid for not wrongly blaming Giannis for a series that he almost willingly carried us then i better be a stupid than a smartass that got no clue what he is talking about.

[KidA24]

"leaving Bledsoe alone isnt dangerous "

Nice video man good comedy
Save video he calls Giannis traveled whe he gets evidently hammered by Ibaka LMAO


Holy cow some people of this fanbase are unreal.

yes you're done here you cannot even argue anymore

I was always told never to argue with stupid people, they drag me down to their level and beat me with experience.

There's 8 minutes of video there explaining why Giannis isn't an elite passer.

The video forgets to point out that Giannis is playing against the best defensive team in the last 15 years, it also fails to mention the Giannis potential assists from WIDE open shots which i pointed and it also failed to mention that Bucks had one of the worst shooting series as a team.

Keep arguing with other irrelevant videos where are tons of other disproving what 1 guy says, the video is totally had wrong foundation by itself.

Lebron got destroyed by Dallas and Spurs does that mean Lebron wasnt the best played on the planet because he had a series and we totally dismiss everything he did and displayed?


If im the stupid for not wrongly blaming Giannis for a series that he almost willingly carried us then i better be a stupid than a smartass that got no clue what he is talking about.

You've now changed what we're talking about, bringing in completely different points which have nothing to do with our original conversation.

You're once again using the red herring logical fallacy.

You said Giannis is an elite passer. I disagreed. I said he proved that against Toronto and consistently proves that every time the Bucks play good defensive teams.

That is what this conversation is about. You are once again ignoring that and taking a personal affront for the country of Greece and the Antetokounmpo family that any of Giannis' abilities be questioned.

Giannis is not an elite passer. Prove me wrong.

[Magic Giannison]

Il quote myself in case you didnt see

Lebron got destroyed by Dallas and Spurs does that mean Lebron wasnt the best played on the planet because he had a series and we totally dismiss everything he did and displayed?

Im not changing what we were talking about its clear as day that Giannis stopped passing as much at some point because of how **** our shooting was and took it on him since nobody else would.

Giannis fora 7 footer is an elite playmaker and passer.

I never brought o made it personal you did....


Ive proved my point about Giannis potential assists in that series which counters that video that only speaks on some hypothetical that make no sense , the guy is thinking out loud and twists the logic of the series that focuses on GIannis problems rather he whole team situation.... i don't even understand why a random guy is relevant to this conversation.

Giannis was the least of our problem in the playoffs from playmaking or scoring and if you fail to see that then nothing can change you opinion, neither the **** we provided last year when he was resting.


If you cannot see how much open shots he creates for the team compared to how bad team fails to use the same spacing without him then it snot my problem, if its wasn't for Giannis elite passing Bledsoe and Middletton would've done similar job.

Joke is, Giannis proved his playmaking and passing even during Kidd era but you guys quickly forget how you were hailing him at playing PG and passing the ball.

[KidA24]

Il quote myself in case you didnt see

Lebron got destroyed by Dallas and Spurs does that mean Lebron wasnt the best played on the planet because he had a series and we totally dismiss everything he did and displayed?

That doesn't make him a bad passer. This makes him an elite passer:

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The idea that Giannis is anywhere close to that is laughable.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Anyway lets bring to topic something else.

hill is averaging 16 pp36 on 53% from the field and 51% from 3. He has a 68.3 TS%. am I supposed to use this chart to glean that he doesn't shoot as much as Giannis or something?

[Magic Giannison]

Il quote myself in case you didnt see

Lebron got destroyed by Dallas and Spurs does that mean Lebron wasnt the best played on the planet because he had a series and we totally dismiss everything he did and displayed?

That doesn't make him a bad passer. This makes him an elite passer:

Watch on YouTube

Watch on YouTube

The idea that Giannis is anywhere close to that is laughable.

I said player, not just passer, just using the logic of one series diminishing everything a player does is simply terrible narrative.

As for Giannis

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With zero spacing under Jason Kidd

Heres a refresh since you forgot of last year passes, just a 8 minute long of his best ( not all) passes.

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Ironically he does the same huge long passes to players that cut than Lebron does and other crazy stuff, behind the back, no looks,60 and other stuff. Again you dont need to be on Lebrons level to be an elite passer. Giannis just doesn't got the same reputation but he is defeintelly underrated as a passer and for is size absolutely elite, again, passing efficiency, passing numbers, potential assists all prove that. All that while being the primary facilitator for the team.


Again i would like you to point me why Bledsoe Middleton Brogdon all failed to do what Giannis is doing and did on the same team with spacing.

[Magic Giannison]

Anyway lets bring to topic something else.

hill is averaging 16 pp36 on 53% from the field and 51% from 3. He has a 68.3 TS%. am I supposed to use this chart to glean that he doesn't shoot as much as Giannis or something?

No this char shows that Hill is our second best performer this year on offense while being bellow average defender compared to overall teams defense

[KidA24]

Ironically he does the same huge long passes to players that cut than Lebron does and other crazy stuff, behind the back, no looks,60 and other stuff. Again you dont need to be on Lebrons level to be an elite passer. Giannis just doesn't got the same reputation but he is defeintelly underrated as a passer and for is size absolutely elite, again, passing efficiency, passing numbers, potential assists all prove that. All that while being the primary facilitator for the team.


Again i would like you to point me why Bledsoe Middleton Brogdon all failed to do what Giannis is doing and did on the same team with spacing.

e·lite
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1. a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.

In this case that is the rest of the NBA. Giannis is not an elite passer. An elite basketball player? Of course. Elite gravity? Yes sir.

His ability to see angles and hit guys in the pocket for open shots is simply not at the same level as the best passers in the league. Being 7 feet tall should give him HUGE ADVANTAGES in doing that. He still struggles with it.

You bring up 3 other Bucks players (why? I didn't.) The answer to your question is because they aren't 7 foot tall bulldozers with 9 foot wingspans. I never brought up a single other player on the team. You said Giannis' passing is elite. I said it isn't. You are once again changing the narrative and moving the goalposts. I'm done here.

[Magic Giannison]

Ironically he does the same huge long passes to players that cut than Lebron does and other crazy stuff, behind the back, no looks,60 and other stuff. Again you dont need to be on Lebrons level to be an elite passer. Giannis just doesn't got the same reputation but he is defeintelly underrated as a passer and for is size absolutely elite, again, passing efficiency, passing numbers, potential assists all prove that. All that while being the primary facilitator for the team.


Again i would like you to point me why Bledsoe Middleton Brogdon all failed to do what Giannis is doing and did on the same team with spacing.

e·lite
/əˈlēt,āˈlēt/
Learn to pronounce
noun
1. a select group that is superior in terms of ability or qualities to the rest of a group or society.

In this case that is the rest of the NBA. Giannis is not an elite passer. An elite basketball player? Of course. Elite gravity? Yes sir.

His ability to see angles and hit guys in the pocket for open shots is simply not at the same level as the best passers in the league. Being 7 feet tall should give him HUGE ADVANTAGES in doing that. He still struggles with it.

You bring up 3 other Bucks players (why? I didn't.) The answer to your question is because they aren't 7 foot tall bulldozers with 9 foot wingspans. I never brought up a single other player on the team. You said Giannis' passing is elite. I said it isn't. You are once again changing the narrative and moving the goalposts. I'm done here.

Your ability to totally discard what i brought you as evidence in the videos is hilarious, a lot of stuff he does in thee is the same thing that Lebron does or Magic did, its literally how the Magic Giannison nickname was created, Giannis was known playing guard for year and one of the reason Kidd promote him there and it exploded.

Yeah and tell me how many 7 feet can do what he does if its sooo easily as you promote it, il wait. 7 footes that can run the ball create wide open shot for others while throwing perfect passes with no looks,cuts or during eurosteps like Giannis does. Il be waiting.


I brought you 3 best the Bucks passers after Giannis to debunk your dull argument that what Giannis does in this team isnt elite because if it wasn't others would easily do the same thing as he does, but they cant and they tried.


Giannis passive especially for his length is definitely elite, its the definition of it and numbers and statistics that i already brought and you choose to ignore prove that. Im not changing the narrative in fact i support them with different points.

[blazza18]

Giannis is a solid to good passer who occasionally flashes more. I think he's not asked to be more than that either.

[truly]

Giannis is a solid to good passer who occasionally flashes more. I think he's not asked to be more than that either.

Yep.Majority of his assists come from kick outs or simple passes to the open man next to him.He has flashed some impressive passes over the years but he doesnt do it nearly enough to put him anywhere close to elite passers.

Edit:As for that video posted,that guy is cherry picking highlights to make his point.His latest video on Giannis was on the Jazz defense that "stopped" him with multiple highlights from the first half of the game.He convieniently forgot to mention that Giannis dropped 28 points in the second half against them

[Magic Giannison]

Giannis is a solid to good passer who occasionally flashes more. I think he's not asked to be more than that either.

Yep.Majority of his assists come from kick outs or simple passes to the open man next to him.He has flashed some impressive passes over the years but he doesnt do it nearly enough to put him anywhere close to elite passers.

Edit:As for that video posted,that guy is cherry picking highlights to make his point.His latest video on Giannis was on the Jazz defense that "stopped" him with multiple highlights from the first half of the game.He conveniently forgot to mention that Giannis dropped 28 points in the second half against them

Being an elite passer doesn't mean you have to do flashy ones, Papaloukas is one of the best passers in the Euroleague and he barely had any flashy ones, what makes an elite passer is using the best situation to find the guy and put him in the best situation to score which Giannis does it and which is one of the big reasons we look so **** without him.

Which video,m the one that is 3 years old because the second one has 9 minutes of Giannis last yea passes.


Also, Majority of Giannis assists come from drawing defense by initiating the offense and then kicking, its way different than simply kick as you post.

If you look at Giannis assist volume his accuracy and assist potential from open shots its on same level as the elite ones,always taking to accord his size.

[Nightfall]

Giannis and Melo. Players of the week.

[Magic Giannison]

Also to further destroy the videos about Giannis not being a good passer during playoffs vs Raptors il these here.

https://stats.nba.com/players/passing/?sort=POTENTIAL_AST&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=3&TeamID=1610612749


Giannis passed more than received passes and despite being second to last form the starters in terms of his % off assists that got converted he still provided by far most points from his assists in the series

[Magic Giannison]

How about we do a comparison to James Haden an elite passer?

Here is the semis.

https://stats.nba.com/players/passing/?sort=POTENTIAL_AST&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=2&TeamID=1610612745


Not only Harden make fewer passes than Giannis, had less potential assist than GIannis and less points created from assists despite his % being converted higher than Giannis.

You know whats even more funnier? Giannis destroyed CP3 in the same category as well...


But yeah, not an elite passer and we totally lost the series because Giannis wasnt passing LMAO

[Magic Giannison]

Whats even more interesting is that compared to all scoring stars in the playoffs ( regarding the volume) Giannis was the only one to have made more passes than received. Every single other first scoring option during the playoffs had more passes received than made, besides Giannis.

https://stats.nba.com/players/passing/?sort=AST_POINTS_CREATED&dir=1&Season=2018-19&SeasonType=Playoffs


I can do this all night

[Magic Giannison]

So in conclusion not only Giannis wasn't passing less during Raptors series o the playoffs but he had same points created from his assists as CP,Curry despite his % of assists being converted less than other two.


keep telling me he isnt elite passer because who knows

[Prez]

Giannis is a very good playmaker bc of the gravity he has as a scorer and he has good enough vision to capitalize on it pretty well. But his vision/timing/touch as a passer isn’t on the level of the truly great passers, even if you limit it to just wings and bigs and take PGs out of the equation. Guys like LeBron, Jokic, Doncic, Simmons are the elite passers in that group today. If Giannis‘ pure passing talent was on that level to go along with his athletic/scoring talent, we’re talking a borderline GOAT level player even with a weak jumper.

[blazza18]

You have totally lost it MG.