Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

[bizarro]

Pacers having Brogdon as a PG is 100% the reason why he's not a Buck.

So, looks like no TPE? Man. I hate this trade,

Ugh. I thought we had a cap expert!?

Well, in fairness of judgment, I am unsure whether teams actually announce TPE’s? I would imagine if a team opened up $9-10M in cap space they’d be excited to share? Regardless, the optics on this trade currently stink.

[FlagsFlyForever]

Pacers having Brogdon as a PG is 100% the reason why he's not a Buck.

So, looks like no TPE? Man. I hate this trade,

Ugh. I thought we had a cap expert!?

Well, in fairness of judgment, I am unsure whether teams actually announce TPE’s? I would imagine if a team opened up $9-10M in cap space they’d be excited to share? Regardless, the optics on this trade currently stink.

The Bucks did get a TPE which they already know they cannot use so there's no point in announcing it. TPEs take up cap space and the Bucks would not be able to use the TPE and still sign Hill and Lopez.

[SickMother]

Regardless, the optics on this trade currently stink.

You can smell optics?

Damn, pass that ish.

[FlagsFlyForever]

If ownership doesn't eventually go in to luxury tax land, they deserve all the criticism they are getting here. Of course, it is possible they will, and just didn’t think Brogdon was the move to justify it. Time will tell.

They'll go over but the Bucks are hoping to supermax Giannis and the severe penalties of the repeater tax provide a strong incentive for the Bucks to hold out as long as possible before going over. Once you're in the luxury tax, the clock is ticking.

[bigredbadger]

Pleasantly surprised to find that the first rounder from Indy is only lottery protected.

[FlagsFlyForever]

That’s all well and good with Brogdon but we still could’ve/should’ve matched.

If a player doesn't want to be here, there's nothing you can do to keep him on the team. We have seen players exhibit that power over the franchise countless times recently (e.g., Kyrie, Kawhi, Butler, Porzingis, AD).

[Baddy Chuck]

That’s all well and good with Brogdon but we still could’ve/should’ve matched.

If a player doesn't want to be here, there's nothing you can do to keep him on the team. We have seen players exhibit that power over the franchise countless times recently (e.g., Kyrie, Kawhi, Butler, Porzingis, AD).

Unlike all those cases though, the case with Brogdon is complete speculation from a fanbase looking for any reason why they would let him go other then being cheap.

[DrWood]

Regardless, the optics on this trade currently stink.

You can smell optics?

Damn, pass that ish.

it smells blue to me

[Chuck Diesel]

Continuing to bring up and misconstrue the Brogdon quote from months ago as proof he wanted out is really dumb.

[HaroldinGMinor]

That’s all well and good with Brogdon but we still could’ve/should’ve matched.

If a player doesn't want to be here, there's nothing you can do to keep him on the team. We have seen players exhibit that power over the franchise countless times recently (e.g., Kyrie, Kawhi, Butler, Porzingis, AD).

Unlike all those cases though, the case with Brogdon is complete speculation from a fanbase looking for any reason why they would let him go other then being cheap.

The owners being cheap is complete speculation as well.

[Baddy Chuck]

If a player doesn't want to be here, there's nothing you can do to keep him on the team. We have seen players exhibit that power over the franchise countless times recently (e.g., Kyrie, Kawhi, Butler, Porzingis, AD).

Unlike all those cases though, the case with Brogdon is complete speculation from a fanbase looking for any reason why they would let him go other then being cheap.

but it's not complete speculation. when a guy says the city he's playing in is the most racist place he's lived, and the mfer lived in ATL, that guy probably doesn't want to hang around. Would he have done it for 80+ million, sure.

It really is though.

[Chuck Diesel]

If a player doesn't want to be here, there's nothing you can do to keep him on the team. We have seen players exhibit that power over the franchise countless times recently (e.g., Kyrie, Kawhi, Butler, Porzingis, AD).

Unlike all those cases though, the case with Brogdon is complete speculation from a fanbase looking for any reason why they would let him go other then being cheap.

The owners being cheap is complete speculation as well.

Well, they could have paid the luxury tax and decided not to. Do you believe they’re willing to pay the luxury tax for a different player? It’s possible. Until that happens it’s not speculation to say that they’re not paying the luxury tax in order to save money, and owners doing something solely to save money can rightfully be called cheap. No speculation necessary.

[ReasonablySober]

Aren't they gonna have to pay the tax next summer when Giannis re-signs? Like that's a veritable lock, right?

[FlagsFlyForever]

Unlike all those cases though, the case with Brogdon is complete speculation from a fanbase looking for any reason why they would let him go other then being cheap.

The owners being cheap is complete speculation as well.

Well, they could have paid the luxury tax and decided not to. Do you believe they’re willing to pay the luxury tax for a different player? It’s possible. Until that happens it’s not speculation to say that they’re not paying the luxury tax in order to save money, and owners doing something solely to save money can rightfully be called cheap. No speculation necessary.

They obviously want to avoid the luxury tax this season. That's not up for debate. The debate is whether they are doing it because they're "cheap" or if it's because they recognize they would be paying the multiplier taxes starting in 2023 if they resigned Brogdon while they can hold off doing so until 2025 by trading him like they did.

[kid idioteque]

Continuing to bring up and misconstrue the Brogdon quote from months ago as proof he wanted out is really dumb.

Nuh uh.

No one's saying it's the only factor here. But his comments speak for themselves.

[JimmyTheKid]

Continuing to bring up and misconstrue the Brogdon quote from months ago as proof he wanted out is really dumb.

No sh*t right?

[John Murdoch]

So im still confused ...did they duck the tax or did he wanna leave? On one hand his plantar fascia seemed like a real concern but the other hand he was a glue player for you guys

[HaroldinGMinor]

Unlike all those cases though, the case with Brogdon is complete speculation from a fanbase looking for any reason why they would let him go other then being cheap.

The owners being cheap is complete speculation as well.

Well, they could have paid the luxury tax and decided not to. Do you believe they’re willing to pay the luxury tax for a different player? It’s possible. Until that happens it’s not speculation to say that they’re not paying the luxury tax in order to save money, and owners doing something solely to save money can rightfully be called cheap. No speculation necessary.

You just speculated.

Also there's a guy who may not have wanted to play here (more likely due to on court stuff than his feelings about the city) and they didn't want him around so they got what they could for him.

Also speculation.

[brewbucks]

Injury prone player that’s going to be 27 in a few months, we had to do what we had to do.

[BigO]

If there was a reason to want out, it is probably because he wanted to be the point guard and when Bledsoe resigned it was a turning point. Nonetheless, even if Brogdon wanted to go to Indiana, I hope that was zero consideration for the Bucks in making the deal. If it was, shame on them. As of now, the Bucks are worse off personnel wise than at the end of the season. The only hope is that Giannis keeps improving and that DDV is really good. I don't see Middleton or Bledsoe getting any better. And Bledsoe, in particular, is a playoff headcase.