Indiana Pacers Draft Pick Watch Thread

[M-C-G]

Same size, same kind of athleticism, both elite college shooters, questionable handle. Bane's more of a playmaker.

Was Sterling considered an elite college shooter? I can't recall from when we drafted him, but I thought we were getting a bruiser, high motor guy.

Never real high volume but he was hitting at ridiculous percentages from outside.

Yeah, I guess where the comp falls apart for me, I think of Bane as a shooter that I hope can play defense. With Brown I was hoping he could be a 3&D guy.

When I think of Bane's minutes, I want to see him in a Korver role, maybe that is why it is hard for me to see the Brown comparison. I'd never have Brown running around screens and being used for his gravity, my hope with Bane is that he could do that.

[LuessiT]

Was Sterling considered an elite college shooter? I can't recall from when we drafted him, but I thought we were getting a bruiser, high motor guy.

Never real high volume but he was hitting at ridiculous percentages from outside.

Yeah, I guess where the comp falls apart for me, I think of Bane as a shooter that I hope can play defense. With Brown I was hoping he could be a 3&D guy.

When I think of Bane's minutes, I want to see him in a Korver role, maybe that is why it is hard for me to see the Brown comparison. I'd never have Brown running around screens and being used for his gravity, my hope with Bane is that he could do that.

If you think of Bane as the next Korver you'll be very disappointed. Korver is one of the best shooters of all time. Bane is maybe in the top 5 of draftable shooters in the class.

[M-C-G]

Never real high volume but he was hitting at ridiculous percentages from outside.

Yeah, I guess where the comp falls apart for me, I think of Bane as a shooter that I hope can play defense. With Brown I was hoping he could be a 3&D guy.

When I think of Bane's minutes, I want to see him in a Korver role, maybe that is why it is hard for me to see the Brown comparison. I'd never have Brown running around screens and being used for his gravity, my hope with Bane is that he could do that.

If you think of Bane as the next Korver you'll be very disappointed. Korver is one of the best shooters of all time. Bane is maybe in the top 5 of draftable shooters in the class.

No, you are misconstruing my post. I don't think Bane will be the next Korver. I see Bane as a guy you can use in the Korver role, I think he could be effective in it.

[M-C-G]

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[Ron Swanson]

Agreed on all the catch & shoot stuff. He doesn't get much elevation but his mechanics and release are so quick (even if they're unorthodox) that it makes up for it, and the switch-ability/versatility potential is there despite the short arms (though I like to see more consistency from 4-year guys). But I'm just not seeing the P&R stuff or ability to create off the dribble at all. Shaky handle, average first step, and he's sort of methodically slow coming off screens. Just not a guy you ever want driving into the paint unless he's got a wide open lane to the rim. He doesn't make a lot of dumb decisions with the basketball, but to me that's a far cry from having legitimate play-making potential.

[LuessiT]

Yeah, I guess where the comp falls apart for me, I think of Bane as a shooter that I hope can play defense. With Brown I was hoping he could be a 3&D guy.

When I think of Bane's minutes, I want to see him in a Korver role, maybe that is why it is hard for me to see the Brown comparison. I'd never have Brown running around screens and being used for his gravity, my hope with Bane is that he could do that.

If you think of Bane as the next Korver you'll be very disappointed. Korver is one of the best shooters of all time. Bane is maybe in the top 5 of draftable shooters in the class.

No, you are misconstruing my post. I don't think Bane will be the next Korver. I see Bane as a guy you can use in the Korver role, I think he could be effective in it.

Oh you mean like he could take Korver's minutes? Yeah that could be very possible. The question for me is though if thats his appeal, how much is it worth to us? Korver was a minimum guy and I doubt we're suddenly not going to get the same level of guys on minimum deals. So will he be that much better than the minimum guys we're going to get over the next 3 or 4 years? That's the level any draft pick we're making has to surpass.

[M-C-G]

If you think of Bane as the next Korver you'll be very disappointed. Korver is one of the best shooters of all time. Bane is maybe in the top 5 of draftable shooters in the class.

No, you are misconstruing my post. I don't think Bane will be the next Korver. I see Bane as a guy you can use in the Korver role, I think he could be effective in it.

Oh you mean like he could take Korver's minutes? Yeah that could be very possible. The question for me is though if thats his appeal, how much is it worth to us? Korver was a minimum guy and I doubt we're suddenly not going to get the same level of guys on minimum deals. So will he be that much better than the minimum guys we're going to get over the next 3 or 4 years? That's the level any draft pick we're making has to surpass.

Not just his minutes, but use him as a guy you run around screen and give you some four point range. Like I said, with him a lot comes down to how you project him as a defender. I'm not comparing him to that kid in Miami that takes all those threes, but kind of using him in that type of role. Duncan Robinson creates a lot of attention when he is on the court, I'd like to see if we can find a guy we can use in a similar way.

[Badgerlander]

High level role player, definitely more than just a shooter.

One thing I bring up every year is the popular idea that athleticism = upside, and that an unskilled player has more room to improve skills than a skilled player, when typically that hierarchy doesn't re-sort within a cohort--that's to say, a player being highly skilled often says something about their capacity for skill growth, and those guys typically grow their skillsets and improve existing skills as much or more than unskilled guys. We get tantalized by the upside of length and athleticism but not by the upside represented by skill and IQ. Unskilled guys don't become skilled guys within cohort, and dumb guys don't become smart guys, any more often than unathletic guys become athletic guys.

Everybody gets it basically right on youth, obviously, and Bane isn't young, but we also have to remember that if there's a current difference in quality of play between a 20 year old and a 22 year old, it's not a given that the 20 year old ever makes it up, depending on the degree of difference, of course. I'm not super moved by the idea that it has to be made up soon enough such that the younger player outplays the older guy in aggregate in the rookie deal to justify taking the younger guy, but that should be considered.

Obviously there's a threshold of physical traits beneath which a guy can't hack it, but I don't think there's an argument to be made that Bane doesn't reach it.

I feel like we said the same thing about Brogdon and DDV, and Bane shares many similar skills and traits including a high bbiq

[LuessiT]

High level role player, definitely more than just a shooter.

One thing I bring up every year is the popular idea that athleticism = upside, and that an unskilled player has more room to improve skills than a skilled player, when typically that hierarchy doesn't re-sort within a cohort--that's to say, a player being highly skilled often says something about their capacity for skill growth, and those guys typically grow their skillsets and improve existing skills as much or more than unskilled guys. We get tantalized by the upside of length and athleticism but not by the upside represented by skill and IQ. Unskilled guys don't become skilled guys within cohort, and dumb guys don't become smart guys, any more often than unathletic guys become athletic guys.

Everybody gets it basically right on youth, obviously, and Bane isn't young, but we also have to remember that if there's a current difference in quality of play between a 20 year old and a 22 year old, it's not a given that the 20 year old ever makes it up, depending on the degree of difference, of course. I'm not super moved by the idea that it has to be made up soon enough such that the younger player outplays the older guy in aggregate in the rookie deal to justify taking the younger guy, but that should be considered.

Obviously there's a threshold of physical traits beneath which a guy can't hack it, but I don't think there's an argument to be made that Bane doesn't reach it.

I feel like we said the same thing about Brogdon and DDV, and Bane shares many similar skills and traits including a high bbiq

I mean this is somewhat true but at the same time this was said about a bunch of guys who didn't fulfill said promises. Feels a bit like confirmation bias.

[Badgerlander]

High level role player, definitely more than just a shooter.

One thing I bring up every year is the popular idea that athleticism = upside, and that an unskilled player has more room to improve skills than a skilled player, when typically that hierarchy doesn't re-sort within a cohort--that's to say, a player being highly skilled often says something about their capacity for skill growth, and those guys typically grow their skillsets and improve existing skills as much or more than unskilled guys. We get tantalized by the upside of length and athleticism but not by the upside represented by skill and IQ. Unskilled guys don't become skilled guys within cohort, and dumb guys don't become smart guys, any more often than unathletic guys become athletic guys.

Everybody gets it basically right on youth, obviously, and Bane isn't young, but we also have to remember that if there's a current difference in quality of play between a 20 year old and a 22 year old, it's not a given that the 20 year old ever makes it up, depending on the degree of difference, of course. I'm not super moved by the idea that it has to be made up soon enough such that the younger player outplays the older guy in aggregate in the rookie deal to justify taking the younger guy, but that should be considered.

Obviously there's a threshold of physical traits beneath which a guy can't hack it, but I don't think there's an argument to be made that Bane doesn't reach it.

I feel like we said the same thing about Brogdon and DDV, and Bane shares many similar skills and traits including a high bbiq

I mean this is somewhat true but at the same time this was said about a bunch of guys who didn't fulfill said promise. Feels a bit like confirmation bias.

If you say so, never was much for Catechism

[LuessiT]

If you say so, never was much for Catechism

I tried google. I'm still not getting it

[Lippo]

What about Josh Green

Bled/Hill
DDV/Green
Mids/Green
Giannis/Ersan
Brook/Robin

Quite the defensive lineup going forward

[hege53190]

What about Josh Green

Bled/Hill
DDV/Green
Mids/Green
Giannis/Ersan
Brook/Robin

Quite the defensive lineup going forward

I was wondering if his name would pop up. Seems like a young raw super athlete that can shoot a little bit. The type that could jump into the rotation because of his defensive ability and stick there. Then he could develop his offensive game later. However I am usually high on young defensive players with good wing spans.

BTW- I would be surprised if Ersan is here next year.

[Badgerlander]

If you say so, never was much for Catechism

I tried google. I'm still not getting it

Doesn’t confirmation come after a pledge of fealty to fight, suffer, and die? Thus I can see how there would be bias. But alas it twas in jest, for my posts of Rorschach’s masks failed

[Ruzious]

What about Josh Green

Bled/Hill
DDV/Green
Mids/Green
Giannis/Ersan
Brook/Robin

Quite the defensive lineup going forward

I was wondering if his name would pop up. Seems like a young raw super athlete that can shoot a little bit. The type that could jump into the rotation because of his defensive ability and stick there. Then he could develop his offensive game later. However I am usually high on young defensive players with good wing spans.

BTW- I would be surprised if Ersan is here next year.

Yup, Josh Green has a high floor and a good (though not great) upside. He's a Josh Richardson type, and if he improves on his 3 point shot - he could become better than Richardson, imo. 19 years old.

[Badgerlander]

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[engelmartin]

Is there any way Josh Green actually falls into our range? Also, what are you guys using for scouting these days? The Stepien is fine and nbadraft.net is nbadraft.net, but would love it if there was something more in depth out there.

[RiotPunch]

What about Josh Green

Bled/Hill
DDV/Green
Mids/Green
Giannis/Ersan
Brook/Robin

Quite the defensive lineup going forward

I was wondering if his name would pop up. Seems like a young raw super athlete that can shoot a little bit. The type that could jump into the rotation because of his defensive ability and stick there. Then he could develop his offensive game later. However I am usually high on young defensive players with good wing spans.

BTW- I would be surprised if Ersan is here next year.

Yup, Josh Green has a high floor and a good (though not great) upside. He's a Josh Richardson type, and if he improves on his 3 point shot - he could become better than Richardson, imo. 19 years old.

Josh is such an interesting eval for me. He is easy to fall in love with when you first start watching him, the hustle, the defensive playmaking, the slashing, the athleticism, it all really pops. Then you watch more and you see the broken jumper (IMO), bad habits off-ball defensively, an unwillingness/inability to finish with his off-hand, etc.

He's got the physical tools to be really good, especially on D, so I'd buy based on Bud's comfort level. He leaves it all out there and you can't have too many dudes like that--the idea of he and Donte suffocating opposing backcourts is a fun thought. That shot is a project though.

[BucksFanSD]

From The Athletic's last mock on Green.

25. Oklahoma City Thunder (via DEN)
Josh Green | 6-6 wing | 19 years old, freshman | Arizona

The idea behind Green is that he can be a 3-and-D guy. He averaged 12 points, 4.6 rebounds and 2.6 assists, and does play very tough, physical on-ball defense. He also has the athletic tools to be able to translate into playing as a high-level defender. But I’m a little worried about the offensive side of the floor.

He hit 36.1 percent of his 3-point attempts, but I’m pretty skeptical of the jump shooting mechanics, especially early on in his career. He has an exaggerated elbow bend that he’ll need to fix to get a consistent release. That’s why he was so inconsistent from one game to another. The good news is that he hit 78 percent of his free throws, so if he can iron the mechanics out, he does have the requisite touch. But until that happens, I worry about what you do with him in the halfcourt on offense.

I have him just outside of my top 30 right now, but I think teams are probably a bit more likely to take him in the range of 15-30.

Having said that, this is an Oklahoma City special. The Thunder tend to love these wings who can’t shoot and do all of the little things while providing a lot of defensive value. Sam Presti tends to value athleticism, defensive upside, frame and mentality traits above all. He’s not worried about having to fix jumper mechanics, if you look through their past draft history. Heck, just look through the current roster. All of Darius Bazley, Lu Dort, Terrace Ferguson, Hamidou Diallo and Andre Roberson fit this billing. Green would certainly be the next in a long line, and it makes sense given that the team has its longer-term answer at point guard as well as a good center in Steven Adams.

[machu46]

Is there any way Josh Green actually falls into our range? Also, what are you guys using for scouting these days? The Stepien is fine and nbadraft.net is nbadraft.net, but would love it if there was something more in depth out there.

Solely good for shooting splits, but I always enjoy hoop-math.com as a quick and easy resource.

Nbadraft.theringer.com is a go-to for quick scouting reports as well.

And I’m an ESPN+ subscriber so I still read all of Givony/Schmitz stuff there.


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