POLL ADDED: Bucks Deal Augustin, Wilson, 2 1sts for Own 22 1st, 21 2nd, PJ Tucker, Kurucs

midranger · Post #801 » by **midranger** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 4:28 pm

VORP = religion, imo

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #802 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:43 pm

theFireBlanket wrote:Does he resign or does he leave for someone like Brooklyn, Miami, LA?

we can, should and will pay him the most. with a league wide spotlight on him hes already done enough for us to recive a deal at least what hes courrently on depending on how long he demands we go. of course multiple years is more the issue than what he makes next year from us obviously.

plus... and this is big..... the more we pay him the more trade flexibility we have with that salary slot. we can create another brook lopez like salary slot to manuever in trades if we want to keep giannis/khris/jrue off the table. if we went 10 mil next year then all of a sudden a package of patc/brook/tucker can start getting in another max range guy.

this deal was an absolute home effing run and pj tucker on danny green like contracts for the foreseeable future makes all the sense in the world assuming the owners arent pennypinching with the tax

LuessiT · Post #803 » by **LuessiT** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 5:48 pm

GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:Does he resign or does he leave for someone like Brooklyn, Miami, LA?

we can, should and will pay him the most. with a league wide spotlight on him hes already done enough for us to recive a deal at least what hes courrently on depending on how long he demands we go. of course multiple years is more the issue than what he makes next year from us obviously.

plus... and this is big..... the more we pay him the more trade flexibility we have with that salary slot. we can create another brook lopez like salary slot to manuever in trades if we want to keep giannis/khris/jrue off the table. if we went 10 mil next year then all of a sudden a package of patc/brook/tucker can start getting in another max range.

this deal was an absolute home effing run and pj tucker on danny green like contracts for the foreseeable future makes all the sense in the world assuming the owners arent pennypinching with the tax

I'm a big Tucker fan and was clamoring for bringing him in but I'd be pretty afraid of a multi year deal coming his way from another contender.

GHOSTofSIKMA · Post #804 » by **GHOSTofSIKMA** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 6:48 pm

LuessiT wrote:
GHOSTofSIKMA wrote:
theFireBlanket wrote:Does he resign or does he leave for someone like Brooklyn, Miami, LA?

we can, should and will pay him the most. with a league wide spotlight on him hes already done enough for us to recive a deal at least what hes courrently on depending on how long he demands we go. of course multiple years is more the issue than what he makes next year from us obviously.

plus... and this is big..... the more we pay him the more trade flexibility we have with that salary slot. we can create another brook lopez like salary slot to manuever in trades if we want to keep giannis/khris/jrue off the table. if we went 10 mil next year then all of a sudden a package of patc/brook/tucker can start getting in another max range.

this deal was an absolute home effing run and pj tucker on danny green like contracts for the foreseeable future makes all the sense in the world assuming the owners arent pennypinching with the tax

I'm a big Tucker fan and was clamoring for bringing him in but I'd be pretty afraid of a multi year deal coming his way from another contender.

you think somebody could offer him more than mle? 3 years?

i think a 2 year deal just over mle seems about right. if somebody uses salary space to trump that it would shock me considering his age

M-C-G · Post #805 » by **M-C-G** » Sat Jun 26, 2021 8:08 pm

I thought the most we could extend him was 2 year at 8M per but possible I just dreamed that up somewhere

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DingusBojangles · Post #806 » by **DingusBojangles** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:17 am

M-C-G wrote:I thought the most we could extend him was 2 year at 8M per but possible I just dreamed that up somewhere

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It won't be an extension. He's an unrestricted free agent this summer, and we have full Bird rights. We can offer up to a 5 year max contract with 8% raises. (lol)

AussieBuck · Post #807 » by **AussieBuck** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:17 am

DingusBojangles wrote:
M-C-G wrote:I thought the most we could extend him was 2 year at 8M per but possible I just dreamed that up somewhere

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It won't be an extension. He's an unrestricted free agent this summer, and we have full Bird rights. We can offer up to a 5 year max contract with 8% raises. (lol)

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MissKhriddleton · Post #808 » by **MissKhriddleton** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:21 am

Love what he’s done but offer a vet minimum and nothing else. Jesus do we ever learn?

skones · Post #809 » by **skones** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:27 am

If he doesn't want the vet minimum, I'll let him walk. He's 36. The Brooklyn series felt like his swan song.

RiotPunch · Post #810 » by **RiotPunch** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:29 am

I'd offer a smidge above the vet min as a goodwill gesture, but wish him well if he secures another bag after we win the chip.

Post #811 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:38 am

RiotPunch wrote:I'd offer a smidge above the vet min as a goodwill gesture, but wish him well if he secures another bag after we win the chip.

If the Bucks win it all, there's really little I wouldn't do short of moving Giannis. I think a savvy GM would explore moving Middleton and Jrue for younger players and high upside lottery picks.

skones · Post #812 » by **skones** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:39 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:I'd offer a smidge above the vet min as a goodwill gesture, but wish him well if he secures another bag after we win the chip.

If the Bucks win it all, there's really little I wouldn't do short of moving Giannis. I think a savvy GM would explore moving Middleton and Jrue for younger players and high upside lottery picks.

You mean if they don't.

Post #813 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:43 am

skones wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:I'd offer a smidge above the vet min as a goodwill gesture, but wish him well if he secures another bag after we win the chip.

If the Bucks win it all, there's really little I wouldn't do short of moving Giannis. I think a savvy GM would explore moving Middleton and Jrue for younger players and high upside lottery picks.

You mean if they don't.

No, I mean if they do. Or if they don't, I guess.

Jrue and Middleton will never be better than they are now. I'd try to work on getting the next championship level core.

emunney · Post #814 » by **emunney** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:44 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:I'd offer a smidge above the vet min as a goodwill gesture, but wish him well if he secures another bag after we win the chip.

If the Bucks win it all, there's really little I wouldn't do short of moving Giannis. I think a savvy GM would explore moving Middleton and Jrue for younger players and high upside lottery picks.

I feel like even a savvy GM would struggle to sell actively breaking up a championship core immediately.

Post #815 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 4:48 am

emunney wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:
RiotPunch wrote:I'd offer a smidge above the vet min as a goodwill gesture, but wish him well if he secures another bag after we win the chip.

If the Bucks win it all, there's really little I wouldn't do short of moving Giannis. I think a savvy GM would explore moving Middleton and Jrue for younger players and high upside lottery picks.

I feel like even a savvy GM would struggle to sell actively breaking up a championship core immediately.

It's probably nuts and I wouldn't give those dudes away of course. But I do think about what it might be like with a still in his prime Giannis and a couple max contract guys who aren't worth their deals.

skones · Post #816 » by **skones** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:01 am

ReasonablySober wrote:No, I mean if they do. Or if they don't, I guess.

Jrue and Middleton will never be better than they are now. I'd try to work on getting the next championship level core.

You do that and Giannis marches straight into your office and requests a trade.

Baddy Chuck · Post #817 » by **Baddy Chuck** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:02 am

skones wrote:If he doesn't want the vet minimum, I'll let him walk. He's 36. The Brooklyn series felt like his swan song.

We wouldn't have to use the MLE on him right? What's the downside to keeping him to practically any contract besides the B's spending extra money? At worst we have a salary filler that as a tax capped team we wouldn't have at all, at best he actually has value on the court. Seems like a Pat Connaughton scenario again, I don't see any downside.

Post #818 » by **ReasonablySober** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:02 am

skones wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:No, I mean if they do. Or if they don't, I guess.

Jrue and Middleton will never be better than they are now. I'd try to work on getting the next championship level core.

You do that and Giannis marches straight into your office and requests a trade.

Giannis seems smarter than that.

skones · Post #819 » by **skones** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:07 am

ReasonablySober wrote:
skones wrote:
ReasonablySober wrote:No, I mean if they do. Or if they don't, I guess.

Jrue and Middleton will never be better than they are now. I'd try to work on getting the next championship level core.

You do that and Giannis marches straight into your office and requests a trade.

Giannis seems smarter than that.

You seem smarter than that. There is absolutely NO way a franchise player reacts well to finally scaling the mountain after going to war night in and night out with these guys and being told they're no longer in the plans when you're standing there holding the Larry O'brien trophy. That's insanity.

skones · Post #820 » by **skones** » Sun Jun 27, 2021 5:09 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:
skones wrote:If he doesn't want the vet minimum, I'll let him walk. He's 36. The Brooklyn series felt like his swan song.

We wouldn't have to use the MLE on him right? What's the downside to keeping him to practically any contract besides the B's spending extra money? At worst we have a salary filler that as a tax capped team we wouldn't have at all, at best he actually has value on the court. Seems like a Pat Connaughton scenario again, I don't see any downside.

If you give him a bit more than the minimum as was suggested, that money would come out of the MLE.

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