Stotts Steps Down

[Ron Swanson]

Earl Watson was an absolute terrible head coach though, he had a record of 33-85, that's a winning % of 28%. That's abysmal. Stotts had much more success and was over .500 despite early in his career having to coach some bad teams, plus our new star player loved him, I'm going to guess Kawhi didn't have strong feelings towards Earl Watson

It's almost the exact same situation (coach doesn't get along with assistant who he believes is undercutting him) and you're just gonna excuse it because "Earl Watson sucks" and doesn't deserve input? That doesn't jive with your insistence that this is an issue of professionalism and the importance of a coach maintaining positive relationships with their subordinates, or else it reflects badly on their coaching ability.

By all accounts Nurse has a sordid list of accusations at this point that he's abrasive and tough to work with. But I could care less if I thought he was exactly what this roster needed to win another championship. And again, did the organization not make the right move if this was indeed gonna be an issue between Stotts and Griffin all season?

It depends, what role was Watson brought in to serve and was he promised anything specific? There's plenty out here that we hired Stotts to essentially run the offense, was that the case with Watson? Was Watson made one of the highest paid assistants in the NBA? You're right Nurse is very abrasive and we saw how that caused him problems in Toronto, abrasive personalities tend not to last long in one place, there is a very long history of coaches with that type of personality wearing thin real quick across sports.

Fwiw, if it's true that Griff and Stotts absolutely could not coexist then yes the best option is for Stotts to resign before the season. But that doesn't make me feel good about Griff if he couldn't even get through preseason with the guy brought in to be his #2.

Why does any of this matter? Both guys work directly under the head coach, not the front office. Nurse was reportedly a dick to Watson because he felt his authority was threatened. Griffin was reportedly a dick to Stotts because he felt his authority was threatened. The only difference is that one guy won a championship because he's actually coached an NBA game thus far.

No one's denying the optics are bad. Griffin might be an **** but I don't really care as long as he's a good coach and not actively tanking the locker room. I think it's easier for some of you guys to just outright admit that "I would have preferred Stotts as the head coach" cuz then at least a lot of this stuff about how big of a loss he is makes more sense.

[VooDoo7]

All this fuss over an asst coach. Lol

Well I think some are concerned because Stott's was supposed to be the offensive mastermind in all of this. Plus him having a good relationship with Dame. So they worry about the actual loss of him.

Others are worried about Griffin and concerned about the type of personality he may have.

[MVP2110]

It's almost the exact same situation (coach doesn't get along with assistant who he believes is undercutting him) and you're just gonna excuse it because "Earl Watson sucks" and doesn't deserve input? That doesn't jive with your insistence that this is an issue of professionalism and the importance of a coach maintaining positive relationships with their subordinates, or else it reflects badly on their coaching ability.

By all accounts Nurse has a sordid list of accusations at this point that he's abrasive and tough to work with. But I could care less if I thought he was exactly what this roster needed to win another championship. And again, did the organization not make the right move if this was indeed gonna be an issue between Stotts and Griffin all season?

It depends, what role was Watson brought in to serve and was he promised anything specific? There's plenty out here that we hired Stotts to essentially run the offense, was that the case with Watson? Was Watson made one of the highest paid assistants in the NBA? You're right Nurse is very abrasive and we saw how that caused him problems in Toronto, abrasive personalities tend not to last long in one place, there is a very long history of coaches with that type of personality wearing thin real quick across sports.

Fwiw, if it's true that Griff and Stotts absolutely could not coexist then yes the best option is for Stotts to resign before the season. But that doesn't make me feel good about Griff if he couldn't even get through preseason with the guy brought in to be his #2.

Why does any of this matter? Both guys work directly under the head coach, not the front office. Nurse was reportedly a dick to Watson because he felt his authority was threatened. Griffin was reportedly a dick to Stotts because he felt his authority was threatened. The only difference is that one guy won a championship because he's actually coached an NBA game thus far.

No one's denying the optics are bad. Griffin might be an **** but I don't really care as long as he's a good coach and not actively tanking the locker room. I think it's easier for some of you guys to just outright admit that "I would have preferred Stotts as the head coach" cuz then at least a lot of this stuff about how big of a loss he is makes more sense.

The thing is I wouldn't have preferred Stotts as the Head Coach. Stotts is a great offensive mind but I'm not sure he's a coach capable of winning the title as the head guy. Stotts running the offense & Griff running the defense was a combo I could get behind because it seemingly played perfectly into each of their strengths.

But it's been reported that Stotts was brought on to help guide AG in year 1 and run the offense, I highly doubt AG wasn't on board with this or didn't know about it even if the front office initiated it. So for AG to not be able to coexist with that guy to the point where he walks before the Preseason isn't over isn't a good sign in the slightest.

[Shaffty]

IMO the Bucks needed an **** as the head coach.

[ReasonablySober]

IMO the Bucks needed an **** as the head coach.

Those dudes don't work in professional sports anymore.

[Daver]

Taking a few minutes to address a coachable moment with key players (which I believe can serve team purposes) is insubordiantion? How fragile and autocratic must any hc be!

How fragile must an asst. coach be to step down because of that?

Everything is directed toward AG nothibg towards stotts what a fu.. joke bunch of pozers

[Shaffty]

IMO the Bucks needed an **** as the head coach.

Those dudes don't work in professional sports anymore.

Ime worked extremely well for the Celtics

[ReasonablySober]

IMO the Bucks needed an **** as the head coach.

Those dudes don't work in professional sports anymore.

Ime worked extremely well for the Celtics

Yea that worked out extremely well.

[GoldenAntlers]

Was Terry Stotts having too much fun?

[Daver]

How fragile must an asst. coach be to step down because of that?

Right!? It goes both ways here. I still don't think Stotts liked the idea of the grind and being an assistant again. That's ok and understandable. Maybe him and AG didn't hit it off either and that's ok as well. They both are professionals. Ultimately though Stotts is the one who made the decision here and I'm not sure why AG is getting so beat up about this. Is he supposed to change how he acts to placate to Terry Stotts? If so, we should have just hired Terry Stotts to be our head coach.

AG's getting "beat up" because he looks like an a*shole. No one here would want to work in a situation where you're being embarrassed and disrespected, particularly from someone who may only have been hired because of a special favor to someone else.

So stotts embarrasing AG in front of his team us ok though right as a AC again who knows how many times this has happened prior to this.So its ok for a AC to embarrass n disrespect a HC yes but because its stotts AG us supposed to kiss his ass and allow him to do whatever he wants

[Daver]

Right!? It goes both ways here. I still don't think Stotts liked the idea of the grind and being an assistant again. That's ok and understandable. Maybe him and AG didn't hit it off either and that's ok as well. They both are professionals. Ultimately though Stotts is the one who made the decision here and I'm not sure why AG is getting so beat up about this. Is he supposed to change how he acts to placate to Terry Stotts? If so, we should have just hired Terry Stotts to be our head coach.

AG's getting "beat up" because he looks like an a*shole. No one here would want to work in a situation where you're being embarrassed and disrespected, particularly from someone who may only have been hired because of a special favor to someone else.

Because he called Stotts to come over to the coaches huddle? Good riddance. If Stotts is that thin skinned we are better off without him.

Also I hope AG is a little bit of an ****. We need that.

Absolutely agree n all the other coaches were there waiting for im above it all stotts

[Shaffty]

Those dudes don't work in professional sports anymore.

Ime worked extremely well for the Celtics

Yea that worked out extremely well.

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

[buckboy]

I would ****ing die if after all the rumors and craziness here today it comes to light that Stotts just didn't want to be a AC at this stage in his life. And it's 100% possible, and something I mentioned earlier. I said it's like having a kid. You slog through the newborn/baby phase, enjoy the toddler phase a bit more and go, "let's have another." 6 months later you're questioning why you did it. Stotts might have just realized before he planted his seed too deep.

Now i'm imagining Stotts planting seed.


IDK - If it was really just the grind, Stotts should've been a man about it and announce it at a mini PC or at least issue a team statement before it got out. Either he is a total dick or there is more to it.

And planting it deep.

[ReasonablySober]

Ime worked extremely well for the Celtics

Yea that worked out extremely well.

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

[PG Graveyard]

Yea that worked out extremely well.

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

What year did they go to the Finals? I will hang up and listen.

[Ron Swanson]

Yea that worked out extremely well.

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

I don't make a habit out of defending unfaithful philanderers, but this is a uh, questionable take.

[MVP2110]

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

What year did they go to the Finals? I will hang up and listen.

You mean when it took them 7 games to beat a Bucks team without Khris Middleton?

[MVP2110]

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

I don't make a habit out of defending unfaithful philanderers, but this is a uh, questionable take.

Yea Mazzulla sucks, no disagreement there

[ReasonablySober]

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

I don't make a habit out of defending unfaithful philanderers, but this is a uh, questionable take.

They won six more games despite having Robert Williams for 30 games less.

[StickeeFingaz]

How fragile must an asst. coach be to step down because of that?

Right!? It goes both ways here. I still don't think Stotts liked the idea of the grind and being an assistant again. That's ok and understandable. Maybe him and AG didn't hit it off either and that's ok as well. They both are professionals. Ultimately though Stotts is the one who made the decision here and I'm not sure why AG is getting so beat up about this. Is he supposed to change how he acts to placate to Terry Stotts? If so, we should have just hired Terry Stotts to be our head coach.

AG's getting "beat up" because he looks like an a*shole. No one here would want to work in a situation where you're being embarrassed and disrespected, particularly from someone who may only have been hired because of a special favor to someone else.

But doesn’t this same sentiment apply to Griffin? One could say Griffin doesn’t want an assistant around that disrespects him and embarrasses him by blowing off the head coach and doing what he wants.