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Re: Wisconsin Badgers Thread 

Post#801 » by MikeIsGood » Mon Apr 7, 2025 4:08 am

HaroldinGMinor wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:A trio of generally inefficient players (though Rohde was great from deep last year), but hopeful that changes when they aren't the best player on their teams anymore. If Blackwell and Winter are back - and hopefully everyone else, too - quite happy with this haul.


Boyd was slightly more efficient than Blackwell


By what metric are you judging? Blackwell has him beat in basically everything but 3FG and TO%. Not sure what else you could reference for efficiency.

I don't need to quibble, happy to have him. Curious if I'm missing something.
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Post#802 » by RiotPunch » Mon Apr 7, 2025 4:14 am

Would love to see them find an athletic bruiser type. But seems we're destined to once again be abused in the paint and on the glass.
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers Thread 

Post#803 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon Apr 7, 2025 11:47 am

MikeIsGood wrote:
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MikeIsGood wrote:A trio of generally inefficient players (though Rohde was great from deep last year), but hopeful that changes when they aren't the best player on their teams anymore. If Blackwell and Winter are back - and hopefully everyone else, too - quite happy with this haul.


Boyd was slightly more efficient than Blackwell


By what metric are you judging? Blackwell has him beat in basically everything but 3FG and TO%. Not sure what else you could reference for efficiency.

I don't need to quibble, happy to have him. Curious if I'm missing something.


offensive efficiency (points per possession). It's a negligible difference. They are just about equal.
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Post#804 » by BroncoBuck » Mon Apr 7, 2025 1:02 pm

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BroncoBuck wrote:A bit sad to see us become a transfer school, but completely necessary to compete.


Every school is a portal school.


Hence the “necessary to compete” line.

Every offseason of college sports being free agency is wearing out pretty quickly. I imagine teams are doing the calculations on how much HS recruiting is even worth it for guys that aren’t top 25 in the nation. You’re better off just poaching proven guys from other schools than spending so many resources on the recruiting trail, and even there is a good chance those guys transfer out again.
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Post#805 » by chonestown » Mon Apr 7, 2025 1:16 pm

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BroncoBuck wrote:A bit sad to see us become a transfer school, but completely necessary to compete.


Every school is a portal school.


Hence the “necessary to compete” line.

Every offseason of college sports being free agency is wearing out pretty quickly. I imagine teams are doing the calculations on how much HS recruiting is even worth it for guys that aren’t top 25 in the nation. You’re better off just poaching proven guys from other schools than spending so many resources on the recruiting trail, and even there is a good chance those guys transfer out again.


Really, I should amend this to there are feeder schools and destination schools.
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Re: Wisconsin Badgers Thread 

Post#806 » by BroncoBuck » Mon Apr 7, 2025 1:40 pm

chonestown wrote:
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chonestown wrote:
Every school is a portal school.


Hence the “necessary to compete” line.

Every offseason of college sports being free agency is wearing out pretty quickly. I imagine teams are doing the calculations on how much HS recruiting is even worth it for guys that aren’t top 25 in the nation. You’re better off just poaching proven guys from other schools than spending so many resources on the recruiting trail, and even there is a good chance those guys transfer out again.


Really, I should amend this to there are feeder schools and destination schools.


Yeah, I think we’re somewhere in the upper middle of the two. Not quite a true destination, but not a feeder for 85% of basketball players. It’s always going to be hard to land/retain that top 15% when we don’t really have the NBA output, the weather, the Championship pedigree, and possibly the money (although it sounds like the basketball team landed a lot more NIL funding this year).

Gard did a good job moving towards a Creighton style of play. I think that’s the path forward to having postseason success. Creighton was one basket away from the Final Four like 2 years ago and they are a tournament every year now (McDermott has to be the most underpaid coach in college basketball). Offense will bring the transfers in.
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Post#807 » by midranger » Mon Apr 7, 2025 1:49 pm

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Post#808 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Apr 7, 2025 1:50 pm

BroncoBuck wrote:
chonestown wrote:
BroncoBuck wrote:
Hence the “necessary to compete” line.

Every offseason of college sports being free agency is wearing out pretty quickly. I imagine teams are doing the calculations on how much HS recruiting is even worth it for guys that aren’t top 25 in the nation. You’re better off just poaching proven guys from other schools than spending so many resources on the recruiting trail, and even there is a good chance those guys transfer out again.


Really, I should amend this to there are feeder schools and destination schools.


Yeah, I think we’re somewhere in the upper middle of the two. Not quite a true destination, but not a feeder for 85% of basketball players. It’s always going to be hard to land/retain that top 15% when we don’t really have the NBA output, the weather, the Championship pedigree, and possibly the money (although it sounds like the basketball team landed a lot more NIL funding this year).

Gard did a good job moving towards a Creighton style of play. I think that’s the path forward to having postseason success. Creighton was one basket away from the Final Four like 2 years ago and they are a tournament every year now (McDermott has to be the most underpaid coach in college basketball). Offense will bring the transfers in.


There was a debate about Wisconsin recruits of the past decade a few pages ago. It's funny that money is just a sidenote. It's the biggest freaking thing and always has been.

Kneuppel was wearing a Badgers uni in 2015 at the Final Four, front row, as everyone saw the picture going around. I'm sure there is some merit to wanting to play with Cooper Flagg, etc. and making it easier to stand out/look good, but it's pretty obvious (and reports were) that he got a gigantic payday to go to Duke. Now reverse-engineer that and apply that to Jalen Johnson, etc. I don't blame Kon at all, but if somebody was going to go to Wisconsin and push away the other stuff like weather/style, it was going to be him. But millions of dollars can change the equation for literally anybody.

So while I do think that Gard and some of the bigger schools are going to have a built in advantage as college sports continue to move towards semi-pro sports and $$ flows into Wisconsin more than Wichita State, as long as there is also an external arm (NIL), those are going to probably grow proportionally.
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Post#809 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Apr 7, 2025 6:59 pm

Bernman wrote:These two transfers seem underwhelming. Boyd was the 1 who stood out. But he's the one who hasn't been delivered, yet.

Rohde could be a 1-yr wonder. His sophomore yr was abysmal. Then he didn't even crack double-digits. Defense is adequate. Virginia's been bad. Apparently he's much better w/ the ball in his hands. But would that be justified w/ Blackwell, & Boyd or whoever else here?

Then the bad Rapp on the other kid is he couldn't crack 40% as a big, #'s dropped against better opposition, & is very slow.

I think you add another guard & just best talent available, ideally a 3. They have enough big bodies. Winter, Amos is a solid frontcourt.


Underwhelming?

I think the idea here is in theory Winter and Blackwell are your alphas and you are filling in a supporting cast. We are figuring out $ and the portal era, which is great, but we're still not a powerhouse that is going to buy the top 2 guys on the market to add to our 2 stellar returners (and Amos, if back, has great upside).

Boyd is the good version of Klesmit as the best comparison...but he does more with the ball in his hands, might be a bit smaller.

I understand the issues with Rapp given lower efficiency vs. better competition - I agree, could see a Rohde-like sophomore slump. But to do what Rapp did as a freshman is impressive and at worst he can space the floor.

Rohde is a very nice jack-of-all-trades. That slump at Virginia was likely due to stepping up in competition - but you see why other than Duke that most teams in the E8 are very senior-laden because guys like Broome and Baker-Mazara can be all-conference small conference players at age 20, but they can be all-conference major conference players at age 22 (in CBM's case, look what he can do at almost age 25).
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Post#810 » by MVP2110 » Mon Apr 7, 2025 7:39 pm

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Post#811 » by Kerb Hohl » Mon Apr 7, 2025 7:43 pm

Was wondering if this was going to happen, see the parenthetical on my last post. Sucks, but they're going to have to find another big man or two.
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Post#812 » by Bernman » Mon Apr 7, 2025 7:50 pm

That's a hurt. I thought he'd deserve a starting spot over Rapp. Need a big and a wing now imo. Just covered at guard between boyd, blackwell, janicki, & kiziger.
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Post#813 » by DingleJerry » Mon Apr 7, 2025 7:58 pm

Yea that hurts, he'd be a great 6th man type with potential to be more. From his view, he probably think they don't want Winter at the '5' so another bigger big will come in keeping him not starting. So he's probably looking for starting and/or 10 more mins per game. Maybe he wont' et that from a good high major program and decides we're the best spot.

But yea, need to find someone to replace him. And I'd say another G/wing couldn't hurt. I like Janicki fine enough but banking on him as your top backups seems a strength. Plus, no way I'd be banking on any mins from Kizinger as a true frosh in this era.
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Post#814 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon Apr 7, 2025 8:52 pm

I don't think Amos is make or break for this team but I'd rather have him than not and from his perspective I don't really get it. He's the exact type of player who would benefit from sticking around.
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Post#815 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Apr 7, 2025 9:23 pm

He's not an NBA prospect so it just makes sense to go where he'll be paid most.
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Post#816 » by paulpressey25 » Mon Apr 7, 2025 9:46 pm

chonestown wrote:
Really, I should amend this to there are feeder schools and destination schools.


This made me think the Brewers/Dodgers dynamic in MLB.
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Post#817 » by MikeIsGood » Mon Apr 7, 2025 10:15 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:He's the exact type of player who would benefit from sticking around.


Agree with the rest of what you said - but is this true? Isn't he the exact type of player who should go to the highest bidder (which presumably also comes with the most PT)?

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Post#818 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon Apr 7, 2025 10:19 pm

MikeIsGood wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:He's the exact type of player who would benefit from sticking around.


Agree with the rest of what you said - but is this true? Isn't he the exact type of player who should go to the highest bidder (which presumably also comes with the most PT)?

ETA: Just saw DB beat me to it.

I meant it more from a basketball sense. NIL wise I have no clue. Is there really going to be a bidding war for a player like him to the level that Wisconsin couldn't easily compete with? That seems unlikely to me. To me it reads like he just wants a cleaner path to more guaranteed playing time and a bigger role on offense rather than fight for it here.
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Post#819 » by Bernman » Mon Apr 7, 2025 10:25 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:
MikeIsGood wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:He's the exact type of player who would benefit from sticking around.


Agree with the rest of what you said - but is this true? Isn't he the exact type of player who should go to the highest bidder (which presumably also comes with the most PT)?

ETA: Just saw DB beat me to it.

I meant it more from a basketball sense. NIL wise I have no clue. Is there really going to be a bidding war for a player like him to the level that Wisconsin couldn't easily compete with? That seems unlikely to me. To me it reads like he just wants a cleaner path to more guaranteed playing time and a bigger role on offense rather than fight for it here.


Yea, he couldn't even be a clear starter here. How could there be a bidding war then, at a place where he'd be a lock starter, so we couldn't compete? I just feel like it's always a built-in excuse, like the academics, while guys even had Northwestern offers for example.

This wasn't an AJ Storr situation where he was a standout here but we couldn't retain him because he could make more $ at an even bigger program. Amos' criteria has to be where he projects to start, for the experience, or continuing to play the sport beyond college.
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Post#820 » by ReasonablySober » Mon Apr 7, 2025 10:30 pm

I think it's likely a team is offering to him to pay him more than the Badgers are. That'll come with a bigger roll, obviously.

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