Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

Post #821 » by **MickeyDavis** » Sun Jul 7, 2019 2:46 pm

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soxperry · Post #822 » by **soxperry** » Sun Jul 7, 2019 3:19 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
bizarro wrote:
blazza18 wrote:Pacers having Brogdon as a PG is 100% the reason why he's not a Buck.

Ugh. I thought we had a cap expert!?

Well, in fairness of judgment, I am unsure whether teams actually announce TPE’s? I would imagine if a team opened up $9-10M in cap space they’d be excited to share? Regardless, the optics on this trade currently stink.

The Bucks did get a TPE which they already know they cannot use so there's no point in announcing it. TPEs take up cap space and the Bucks would not be able to use the TPE and still sign Hill and Lopez.

I don’t think that’s accurate. If the Bucks had 9 mil in cap room and wanted to bring in a 9 mil player they could do that without an exception. The 125% rule only applies to teams that are over the cap. My understanding of the TPE is that it enables us to add up to 9 mil in salary without having to ship anyone out or make room under the cap. If I’m wrong, TPEs are almost completely worthless.

wallus · Post #823 » by **wallus** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 1:46 am

It's wild to me that nobody knows about the TPE.

machu46 · Post #824 » by **machu46** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:22 am

soxperry wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:
bizarro wrote:
Well, in fairness of judgment, I am unsure whether teams actually announce TPE’s? I would imagine if a team opened up $9-10M in cap space they’d be excited to share? Regardless, the optics on this trade currently stink.

The Bucks did get a TPE which they already know they cannot use so there's no point in announcing it. TPEs take up cap space and the Bucks would not be able to use the TPE and still sign Hill and Lopez.

I don’t think that’s accurate. If the Bucks had 9 mil in cap room and wanted to bring in a 9 mil player they could do that without an exception. The 125% rule only applies to teams that are over the cap. My understanding of the TPE is that it enables us to add up to 9 mil in salary without having to ship anyone out or make room under the cap. If I’m wrong, TPEs are almost completely worthless.

They are worthless if you’re under the cap (which we need to be to sign Hill). We do technically have a TPE at the moment but we will need to renounce it to sign Hill unless we have further cap clearing moves up our sleeves.

The TPE remains counting against our cap until it is renounced so even if we waive Leuer, we won’t be able to sign Hill unless we get rid of the TPE (or as mentioned, do something in addition to waiving Leuer in order to clear out the required space).

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Post #825 » by **paulpressey25** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:37 am

wallus wrote:It's wild to me that nobody knows about the TPE.

Shssh. Not so loud. Our local reporter guys might hear that, and we don’t want to disturb their day of soccer watching.

PG Graveyard · Post #826 » by **PG Graveyard** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 2:39 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
wallus wrote:It's wild to me that nobody knows about the TPE.

Shssh. Not so loud. Our local reporter guys might hear that, and we don’t want to disturb their day of soccer watching.

I can only And1 this one time, but it deserves another.

Matches Malone · Post #827 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:48 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
wallus wrote:It's wild to me that nobody knows about the TPE.

Shssh. Not so loud. Our local reporter guys might hear that, and we don’t want to disturb their day of soccer watching.

0BobLobLaw0 · Post #828 » by **0BobLobLaw0** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:18 am

paulpressey25 wrote:
wallus wrote:It's wild to me that nobody knows about the TPE.

Shssh. Not so loud. Our local reporter guys might hear that, and we don’t want to disturb their day of soccer watching.

I love soccer, but this deserves all the and1s

Pachinko_ · Post #829 » by **Pachinko_** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:42 am

It's probably a Bucks selling point to their FA targets that they dont have reporters. "come to MKE my friend, you can have an orgy every night and then walk your dog with your dick hanging out and I promise you if anyone reports it they'll be working for the Alaskan news next morning"

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Matches Malone · Post #830 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:00 pm

Watching the Brogdon press conference, he's making a lot of statements about being a point guard, point guards being his best position and wanting to lead a team as a point guard.

Turk Nowitzki · Post #831 » by **Turk Nowitzki** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:04 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Watching the Brogdon press conference, he's making a lot of statements about being a point guard, point guards being his best position and wanting to lead a team as a point guard.

Him wanting to be a lead guard and perhaps an overall bigger role makes a lot more sense as a reason for him wanting to leave than fabricating some intense hatred for Milwaukee.

TroyD92 · Post #832 » by **TroyD92** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:05 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Watching the Brogdon press conference, he's making a lot of statements about being a point guard, point guards being his best position and wanting to lead a team as a point guard.

Not surprised. I thought that was the issue that Brogdon had and it seems to be coming to light.

EastSideBucksFan · Post #833 » by **EastSideBucksFan** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:11 pm

Matches Malone wrote:Watching the Brogdon press conference, he's making a lot of statements about being a point guard, point guards being his best position and wanting to lead a team as a point guard.

Interesting considering he didn't even know he'd be a point guard coming into the league until training camp when Kidd told him to start practicing to play point guard.

Would be very curious to see his stats and Bucks W/L record with Brogdon as starting point guard.

Bucks acquired Bledsoe for a reason. The team looked significantly different with him pushing the ball and breaking down defenses.

I'm very interested to see how Bledsoe/Middleton stats are affected without Brogdon

Matches Malone · Post #834 » by **Matches Malone** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:14 pm

He also made a comment about being with a franchise where he feels wanted. Not sure if that's a jab at the Bucks or not, but considering all the comments he made with the coaching after Kidd left, I wouldn't be surprised if it was a jab.

Also said, "I'm as happy now as I've ever been in my NBA career."

Post #835 » by **humanrefutation** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:23 pm

Zach Lowe on Brogdon:

Even the Bucks are worse off for losing Malcolm Brogdon, their second-best player for parts of the Eastern Conference finals. (One of biggest swing questions in the 2020 title race is whether Eric Bledsoe has permanent playoff-itis. With Brogdon, the Bucks almost made the NBA Finals despite Bledsoe struggling. Without him, they have limited margin for Bledsoe error.)

Recouping one first-round pick in the Brogdon sign-and-trade with Indiana matters; the Bucks were out two, and they need trade currency. Expect them to search out ways to flip that pick for talent, provided such a deal does not take them into the luxury tax.

They could also have kept Brogdon despite some long-term injury concerns, and paid the tax. That's what contenders do. I would assume Milwaukee took Giannis Antetokounmpo's temperature on this. Signing his older brother, Thanasis, to a two-year deal was certainly nice.

jute2003 · Post #836 » by **jute2003** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:28 pm

As much as I like Brogdon....him being the lead guard is not an ideal situation for him. He will struggle defensively to keep up with Pg's and he isnt a great distributor..just an adequate ball handler as well. I hope it works well for him but I feel like he may be humbled even more over the next season or two.

pilprin · Post #837 » by **pilprin** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:34 pm

Hey...I like Brogdon, but he is a combo guard. I'm glad he got what he wanted. Maybe his desire to be a PG is why MKE didn't match as much as the Luxury Tax.

LedZepp007 · Post #838 » by **LedZepp007** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:51 pm

EastSideBucksFan wrote:
Matches Malone wrote:Watching the Brogdon press conference, he's making a lot of statements about being a point guard, point guards being his best position and wanting to lead a team as a point guard.

Interesting considering he didn't even know he'd be a point guard coming into the league until training camp when Kidd told him to start practicing to play point guard.

Would be very curious to see his stats and Bucks W/L record with Brogdon as starting point guard.

Bucks acquired Bledsoe for a reason. The team looked significantly different with him pushing the ball and breaking down defenses.

I'm very interested to see how Bledsoe/Middleton stats are affected without Brogdon

I’m pretty sure we didn’t let Brogdon go to avoid the tax

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Licensed to Il · Post #839 » by **Licensed to Il** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 3:52 pm

I'm happy for Brogdon, he got paid and he got a bigger role. I also really like the guy. Having said that, I can't remember a better example of a guy who casual (I don't mean that in an accusative or derogatory way) fans thought of so differently than those who watch all/most of the games. I noticed all last season, fans on the Bulls board longed for the guy and wrote things like: "can't wait to see his stats when he gets more usage" and "this is totally a guy who will bust out when he doesn't have to defer to Giannis." And while there are examples of NBA guys who really surprise you after earning a featured role a few years in to their careers (Harden, J Butler, etc) I just don't see it with Malcolm. He lacks the burst, elite ball handling, and shot creation that stars have. Love the guy. So smart, so measured, so in control, such a good teammate. But he just doesn't have the traits to shoot those percentages or log similar efficiency with an increased role and lesser cast. He better be working on a killer floater, because without Giannis driving and dishing, he isn't going to be able to get to the rim as he has in the past. His lack of a great first step + handles is going to limit him more than most think.

60611 · Post #840 » by **60611** » Mon Jul 8, 2019 4:01 pm

Haha, Brogdon's net rating was outstanding with Giannis off the floor. The Bucks netrtg with Brown in place of Brogdon, and no other changes, was abysmal.

It seems many of you guys can talk yourselves into anything, but you're in for a rude awakening. Bucks billionaires knew they could appease their fans with their unwillingness to go into the luxury tax by signing sideshows RoLo and Thannis...quite the misdirection, and it worked like a charm.