ATL -Fizdale Fizzles Out in NY

[emunney]

And just like that the Hawks are dead last in the East. Say what you want about them being happy with the Young/Doncic trade, they should not be happy with the Young/Doncic trade.

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

[ACGB]

And just like that the Hawks are dead last in the East. Say what you want about them being happy with the Young/Doncic trade, they should not be happy with the Young/Doncic trade.

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

If Trae doesn't grow out of being the worst defender in the NBA then maybe he's not bad but he also won't be very good.

[VooDoo7]

So, Draymond ain't sh-t when he's not surrounded by All-Stars, hey?

[Perseus1966]

Where is that idiot Ryan hollins?

[theFireBlanket]

Lakers recall Kostas to f-ck with GianniS. Ersanate them.

[LuessiT]

And just like that the Hawks are dead last in the East. Say what you want about them being happy with the Young/Doncic trade, they should not be happy with the Young/Doncic trade.

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

I think the play for the Hawks would have been to draft Doncic and try to trade back into the draft to select Young. Young's draft stock was supposedly very volatile and you might have been able to nab him at let's say 8.
Still I find it hard to criticize the Hawks that much. They found a way to draft the second best player in the draft while getting a significant asset out of it. They should have got an unprotected pick instead of the protected from Dallas imo but from a value perspective they mostly did fine in a normal draft. I still have to harp on the Suns for passing on Doncic after getting the roadmap to drafting Doncic in hiring his national teams coach.

[Pachinko_]

And just like that the Hawks are dead last in the East. Say what you want about them being happy with the Young/Doncic trade, they should not be happy with the Young/Doncic trade.

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

I think the play for the Hawks would have been to draft Doncic and try to trade back into the draft to select Young. Young's draft stock was supposedly very volatile and you might have been able to nab him at let's say 8.
Still I find it hard to criticize the Hawks that much. They found a way to draft the second best player in the draft while getting a significant asset out of it. They should have got an unprotected pick instead of the protected from Dallas imo but from a value perspective they mostly did fine in a normal draft. I still have to harp on the Suns for passing on Doncic after getting the roadmap to drafting Doncic in hiring his national teams coach.

But you can't feel good because someone else did worse or because you did fine in normal terms. Because this was not a normal draft, there was a one in 10 years kind of guy in there. And it wasn't even a legitimately difficult pick like Giannis where it was impossible to predict that the guy would grow a couple of inches in every dimension at age 20, Luka had given every single sign of a generational talent as early on as it gets, it was really really easy to see. And somehow we all got lost in the echo chamber overanalysing things that were irrelevant at the end of the day and end up missing the obvious that was staring us in the face. I'm guilty too.

[Sporos]

LeBron is playing like it's his first and last season, i know he wasn't in PS last year and now he have AD but i wonder for how long can he keep up like that.

[tydett]

And just like that the Hawks are dead last in the East. Say what you want about them being happy with the Young/Doncic trade, they should not be happy with the Young/Doncic trade.

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

And, perhaps unfairly so, they'll get more criticism than the Kings and the Suns, who also picked other guys instead of the special player, but the Hawks 1). knew that Dallas was trading for the pick for Doncic and 2). said "k, fine, we'll take this guy and hope you're bad but not too bad so we can take another swing next year at a guy who's also not going to be a generational prospect." Both pretty egregious.

[LuessiT]

And just like that the Hawks are dead last in the East. Say what you want about them being happy with the Young/Doncic trade, they should not be happy with the Young/Doncic trade.

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

And, perhaps unfairly so, they'll get more criticism than the Kings and the Suns, who also picked other guys instead of the special player, but the Hawks 1). knew that Dallas was trading for the pick for Doncic and 2). said "k, fine, we'll take this guy and hope you're bad but not too bad so we can take another swing next year at a guy who's also not going to be a generational prospect." Both pretty egregious.

Eh I think the Hawks identified Young as a generational prospect (and it seems they were right). Teams try to figure out who the best player is and the vast majority isn't always right. In 2017 Fultz and Ball where the consensual 1 and 2 and Boston got flak for selecting Tatum at 3 while Phoenix was praised for selecting Jackson at 4. And look where we are now. I can't blame anyone for having Young over Doncic pre draft. While Doncic did unprecedented things, so did Young. Schlenk was quoted later that they would have drafted Doncic if it weren't for the trade that makes it look a bit wierd, but the Hawks did fine in the draft. Getting a potential superstar and another lottery ticket out of a #3 pick is tremendous.
Could they have done better looking back? Sure. But if you look back at teams holding the #3 pick, the Hawks did exceptionally well. That to me gets lost in the discussion. The Hawks should get flak for not identifying Doncic as the generational prospect he is, but they did have a very good grasp on the draft, more so than Phoenix and to a lesser extent Sacramento.

[LuessiT]

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

I think the play for the Hawks would have been to draft Doncic and try to trade back into the draft to select Young. Young's draft stock was supposedly very volatile and you might have been able to nab him at let's say 8.
Still I find it hard to criticize the Hawks that much. They found a way to draft the second best player in the draft while getting a significant asset out of it. They should have got an unprotected pick instead of the protected from Dallas imo but from a value perspective they mostly did fine in a normal draft. I still have to harp on the Suns for passing on Doncic after getting the roadmap to drafting Doncic in hiring his national teams coach.

But you can't feel good because someone else did worse or because you did fine in normal terms. Because this was not a normal draft, there was a one in 10 years kind of guy in there. And it wasn't even a legitimately difficult pick like Giannis where it was impossible to predict that the guy would grow a couple of inches in every dimension at age 20, Luka had given every single sign of a generational talent as early on as it gets, it was really really easy to see. And somehow we all got lost in the echo chamber overanalysing things that were irrelevant at the end of the day and end up missing the obvious that was staring us in the face. I'm guilty too.

Trae Young put up 27/9 with 10 (!!!) 3PA shooting 36% from there as a freshman. While getting double and tripple teamed. That is unprecedented. It's pretty valid to think that after seeing what Steph Curry had done to the league in his 2016 MVP season that this guy might be better than the Euro-League MVP who had questions over his athleticism and conditioning. While everyone could see Luka was insanely skilled, it was questioned how much he could get shots off versus bigger and better athletes. I don't think his current developement was that predictable. Anyone who tells you that he could see Luka putting up these stats in year two is lying.

[MikeIsGood]

Where is that idiot Ryan hollins?

Don't say his name. This might be a Bloody Mary kind of thing.

[H2tObes]

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

And, perhaps unfairly so, they'll get more criticism than the Kings and the Suns, who also picked other guys instead of the special player, but the Hawks 1). knew that Dallas was trading for the pick for Doncic and 2). said "k, fine, we'll take this guy and hope you're bad but not too bad so we can take another swing next year at a guy who's also not going to be a generational prospect." Both pretty egregious.

Eh I think the Hawks identified Young as a generational prospect (and it seems they were right). Teams try to figure out who the best player is and the vast majority isn't always right. In 2017 Fultz and Ball where the consensual 1 and 2 and Boston got flak for selecting Tatum at 3 while Phoenix was praised for selecting Jackson at 4. And look where we are now. I can't blame anyone for having Young over Doncic pre draft. While Doncic did unprecedented things, so did Young. Schlenk was quoted later that they would have drafted Doncic if it weren't for the trade that makes it look a bit wierd, but the Hawks did fine in the draft. Getting a potential superstar and another lottery ticket out of a #3 pick is tremendous.
Could they have done better looking back? Sure. But if you look back at teams holding the #3 pick, the Hawks did exceptionally well. That to me gets lost in the discussion. The Hawks should get flak for not identifying Doncic as the generational prospect he is, but they did have a very good grasp on the draft, more so than Phoenix and to a lesser extent Sacramento.

I agree, while Luka is the better player the Hawks don't really deserve flak for that draft. It's not hard for me to imagine Trae winning an MVP at some point, so it's hard to call them losers where teams like Sac and Phoenix picked worse players

[H2tObes]

And just like that the Hawks are dead last in the East. Say what you want about them being happy with the Young/Doncic trade, they should not be happy with the Young/Doncic trade.

It was never that Young is bad, it was always that Doncic is special and what a gift that two teams passed on him and they **** blew it. Really went out of their way to aggressively **** it up.

If Trae doesn't grow out of being the worst defender in the NBA then maybe he's not bad but he also won't be very good.

I wonder what people would have said about 21 year old Steve Nash

[BucksFanSD]

So, Draymond ain't sh-t when he's not surrounded by All-Stars, hey?

Yeah, he is a way overpaid glue guy. I have no idea why the Warriors gave him that huge extension a year before his current contract ends. His numbers are bad these days.

[Ron Swanson]

Obviously the Hawks should have taken Luka over Young, but even Luka ain't carrying that dreadful Hawks roster to a winning record. Also doesn't help that Atlanta took Cam Reddish, who currently might be the worst rotation player in the league, with the pick they got for trading back. Trae was/is still a great pick, but Schlenk really bungled the rest of that roster if they indeed had any aspirations of competing for a playoff spot this year (I'm not convinced they actually did).

[H2tObes]

John Collins has been missing the whole season under suspension, wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks start playing better once he is back. Huerter has also missed major time and has never found a groove this season, he just got hurt last game as well. Let's be honest that roster is impossible for any kid to carry and Trae doesn't have the luxury of being coached under Carlisle and his system. Despite all this Trae is still a +4 player, he is really good.

[paulpressey25]

but the Hawks 1). knew that Dallas was trading for the pick for Doncic and 2). said "k, fine, we'll take this guy and hope you're bad but not too bad so we can take another swing next year at a guy who's also not going to be a generational prospect." Both pretty egregious.

Heh. At least the Bucks got the higher pick when they traded up for Tractor (#6) so Dallas could then take Dirk at #9.

[LuessiT]

John Collins has been missing the whole season under suspension, wouldn't surprise me if the Hawks start playing better once he is back. Huerter has also missed major time and has never found a groove this season, he just got hurt last game as well. Let's be honest that roster is impossible for any kid to carry and Trae doesn't have the luxury of being coached under Carlisle and his system. Despite all this Trae is still a +4 player, he is really good.

I don't think Collins is a winning player (at least last years Collins). Though I also doubt the Hawks have any intentions of actually trying to win.

[jakecronus8]

Obviously the Hawks should have taken Luka over Young, but even Luka ain't carrying that dreadful Hawks roster to a winning record. Also doesn't help that Atlanta took Cam Reddish, who currently might be the worst rotation player in the league, with the pick they got for trading back. Trae was/is still a great pick, but Schlenk really bungled the rest of that roster if they indeed had any aspirations of competing for a playoff spot this year (I'm not convinced they actually did).

I have to laugh when I hear analysts and former players say that mvp should be decided by the players. Iirc, the players voted Cam Reddish as the rookie they thought would have the best overall career from this class.