Bucks acquire Jrue Holiday - Trade done - Bucks 2022 to CLE unprotected

[giannis and 1]

This is probably the deal that kills the franchise.

The negativity here right now is ridiculous.

[buckbeer]

Jrue
Bogdan
Khris
Giannis
Brook

Wow, if this is true I will renew my leaguepass subscription

[Bernman]

If Bogdon falls through I'm sure they'd try to find a similar move to make up for it. Could getting Redick into this deal be an option as a replacement?

How'd that work last time using Redick as the fallback out of desperation after the first plan went through?

Just hold onto Donte because it was short-sighted to move him after a small bubble sample anyway. Lie to him & say their phones were hacked by Russia.

[WRau1]

ATL is supposedly going after FVV, do they have the money to go after him and Bogdan?

[Rstuedes24]

ATL is supposedly going after FVV, do they have the money to go after him and Bogdan?

Apparently they’re throwing money at everyone. Reported that they were offering Rondo 2/30

[drone3]

Could be Jordan going after Bogdan and Barnes

[pifhluk23]

Anyone complaining about acquiring Jrue or Bogdan would rather win 45-50 games and bounce in the 2nd round for eternity. The goal is to win a title NOW, not in 2032...

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[coolhandluke121]

Anyone complaining about acquiring Jrue or Bogdan would rather win 45-50 games and bounce in the 2nd round for eternity. The goal is to win a title NOW, not in 2032...

You should check out the 2019 ECF because apparently you missed it. Being informed helps you avoid obnoxious posts like this.

[Bucksfan28]

ATL is supposedly going after FVV, do they have the money to go after him and Bogdan?

Yea, when I checked yesterday they were only at like $57m spent.

[coolhandluke121]

A point made by either Simmons or Rusillo that shouldn’t get lost in the discussion is that these superstars who want immediate help (or they’ll leave) need to be more astute and patient.

What we don’t know is whether Giannis insisted Jrue was THE guy he had to have, and have him now, or not. Given that we were linked 24 hours earlier to Schroder, might indicate we didn’t need to specially acquire Jrue.

To that point, making the Bogdan trade and holding onto Hill and Bledsoe might have been a smarter move. Then see just exactly what three firsts, two unprotected, and two pick swaps gets you either later this week or at the deadline. None of us armchair GM’s ever really spent time out here contemplating trades where we’d give up SO much in the way of future assets. We could have thought up some great stuff with all those picks to work with.

BTW, lets see what NOP might get for either Hill or Bledsoe in moving them to a third team before this deal is reported officially. I still think those two guys have real value.

From the players perspective, I pretty much completely disagree with this unless that player knows they want to stay with one franchise for their whole career. If a player wants to win now, and maximize the prime of their career, it makes sense that they would want a team to use all their assets to be good now - then when the barren chest of assets rears it’s ugly head, that player leaves for another team prepared to win now.

That's not the point though. You can definitely trade the assets to win now, just don't be so damn impatient and irresponsible about it. Make sure you get fair value for those assets. These impulsive short-sighted superstar demand moves are only making it harder for them to win a title than it should be because they need to manage their assets carefully in order to continue to have assets to address other needs as they arise.

[suctionprints]

Some mistakes are worse than others. When the Cavs tried to go all in for Lebron, they got . . . Antawn Jamison and Delonte West. Jrue is way, way, way better than that. Counting stats don't matter in the playoffs -- it's more about individual matchups and who other teams fear. People clowned Bledsoe, they fear Jrue. The Bucks gave up a lot in this all in move, but it's not even close to the worst case scenario. Honestly I thought they had no chance to get him, so in my opinion it's a lot closer to the best case scenario.

[Chapter29]

Maybe we can back out of this trade.

Hope not.

[coolhandluke121]

Some mistakes are worse than others. When the Cavs tried to go all in for Lebron, they got . . . Antawn Jamison and Delonte West.

They didn't give up nearly as much though. Look how many top-5 picks they got after Lebron left. Kyrie, Bennett, Waiters, Wiggins, Thompson... obviously they didn't make the most of those picks, but that's not the point because he have no idea who will be drafted in the top 5 in 2024-27. The point is that if the Cavs had made the trade the Bucks just made, they would have literally traded ALL BUT ONE of those picks and two productive veterans (Ilgauskas and Gooden for example) for one 30-year-old one-time borderline all-star (Jamison made two ASG's by the way) who might be an unrestricted free agent in a year! It's mind-boggling.

[Chad34]

Maybe we can back out of this trade.

Hope not.

what's holding this up from becoming official

[DingleJerry]

If Bogdon falls through I'm sure they'd try to find a similar move to make up for it. Could getting Redick into this deal be an option as a replacement?

How'd that work last time using Redick as the fallback out of desperation after the first plan went through?

Just hold onto Donte because it was short-sighted to move him after a small bubble sample anyway. Lie to him & say their phones were hacked by Russia.

That should be completely irrelevant to any discussion of him now. It's a whole new management and situation now. Of course you'd have to confirm he's ok with the deal in case he has bad blood or something, but it's a whole different situation and he'd be going to a title contender. You can say you'd rather have the youth/D, that's fair, I like DDV too. I want shooting, now. In the scenario I threw out I just said him as a target, maybe there could be a way to do it without DDV too. Hopefully it doesn't matter though and they can go with the initial plan.

[Profound23]

Acquire both Holiday brothers to team up with Lopez brothers, give every remaining bench spot to the Antetokounmpo brothers.

RoLo opted out of a very good salary that he's unlikely to be able to recover. Not sure there's much chance of him being back.

Also, what do you have against Bojan Bogdanovic?

Nothing, I want him too. But I am saying

Jrue
Bogs
Middleton
Giannis
B. Lopez

R. Lopez
A. Holiday
Justin
Thanasis
Kostas
Justin James

[suctionprints]

They didn't give up nearly as much though.

So your preferred alternative is what? Attract a marquee free agent to Milwaukee, WI with the MLE? There's no way to run it back with last year's team even if we wanted to, and I think we all know how Giannis would feel about that anyway.

I get it: you want to keep our options open so that nothing bad happens in the future. You're certainly way lower on Holiday than I am.

For me, all those 38.5 win seasons from 2002-2016 got kinda old, and I'm glad that the franchise has some cojones now and is mixing it up in free agency. If the risk is that something bad happens in the future, well, that's life.

[coolhandluke121]

They didn't give up nearly as much though.

So your preferred alternative is what? Attract a marquee free agent to Milwaukee, WI with the MLE? There's no way to run it back with last year's team even if we wanted to, and I think we all know how Giannis would feel about that anyway.

I get it: you want to keep our options open so that nothing bad happens in the future. You're certainly way lower on Holiday than I am.

For me, all those 38.5 win seasons from 2002-2016 got kinda old, and I'm glad that the franchise has some cojones now and is mixing it up in free agency. If the risk is that something bad happens in the future, well, that's life.

I can hardly bring myself to respond to this. They have had the best record in the NBA two years in a row, were probably one missed ft away from a title in 2019 (win game 3 in regulation against the Raptors), and have been a very desirable destination for coveted minimum-contract ring chasers for two years running. What the hell does 2002-2016 have to do with anything??

If this supporting cast declines over the next 3 years, which is very likely given the age of everyone except Giannis, Giannis could force his way out and they could literally have given up 4 high lotto picks in 2024-27 for Jrue, to say nothing of Bledsoe, Hill, and #24. That's **** mind-boggling. I am not "low" on Holiday. You have to be almost unconscionably high on him to justify that. That's the type of crap that makes you a 35-win team for a decade plus, and it's not like the trade is some slam-dunk that makes you the clear title favorite. There was no need to be that desperate. If Giannis is that dumb, then you have to talk some sense into him. I'm not against trading all those picks in some form, but that package is literally worth 2 Jrue Holidays under the circumstances. FFS he will be a UFA seeking a max contract with almost 10 years experience (making his max salary higher) at age 31 in just one year! It's beyond disgusting.

[mkegb]

Anyone complaining about acquiring Jrue or Bogdan would rather win 45-50 games and bounce in the 2nd round for eternity. The goal is to win a title NOW, not in 2032...

You should check out the 2019 ECF because apparently you missed it. Being informed helps you avoid obnoxious posts like this.

I agree with some of the initial post, we should do whatever we can to win NOW. However, giving up the 2026 swap an 2027 unprotected pick was bad.

We all watched the 2019 ECF, wouldn't you agree we would have won that series pretty easily if we had Holiday instead of Bledsoe? Yeah a couple of free throw makes, we probably win. But if we had Holiday, it would have never come down to a few FTs.

[coolhandluke121]

Anyone complaining about acquiring Jrue or Bogdan would rather win 45-50 games and bounce in the 2nd round for eternity. The goal is to win a title NOW, not in 2032...

You should check out the 2019 ECF because apparently you missed it. Being informed helps you avoid obnoxious posts like this.

I agree with some of the initial post, we should do whatever we can to win NOW. However, giving up the 2026 swap an 2027 unprotected pick was bad.

We all watched the 2019 ECF, wouldn't you agree we would have won that series pretty easily if we had Holiday instead of Bledsoe? Yeah a couple of free throw makes, we probably win. But if we had Holiday, it would have never come down to a few FTs.

We can't go back in time and put Jrue in that series though. Who knows how this plays out. And this is not like Kawhi-to-the-Raptors move that clearly bumps you several tiers up in one fell swoop. This is a nice boost, but other ways to get this much of a boost would have come along eventually. I'm not sure I've ever seen a single season where at least one more favorable trade opportunity than this didn't come up eventually (not necessarily a better player, but definitely a better price, or two players not quite as good as Jrue while giving up less than the Bucks gave just for Jrue).

Most importantly, you shouldn't have to give up 4 damn unprotected picks 4-7 years from now, when this team's window of contention is likely over (assume the keep Khris, Bogdan, and Jrue and are good for 3 more years), to get a better player than Bledsoe. That's just crazy to me. It gets worse and worse the more I think about it. My only hope is that they might trade Khris and Brook for some young guys to extend their window. Barring that, I see this as a move that people around the league will cite for decades to come as what NEVER to do. I'm not even sure I would want to pay Jrue a max deal from age 31-35 if I had to give up anything more than Bledsoe and Hill for the right to do it, let alone for #24 and 4 potential lotto picks. Eff this.

And I never said we shouldn't trade the picks to "WIN NOW". I said you have to get better value than this. Much better.