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Post#821 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:09 am

If we aren't title contenders now we weren't by trading for Bogdanovic.
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Post#822 » by blazza18 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:10 am

We needed another good to great scorer/creator as well as not having Bledsoe. Just doing half the job then losing Hill as well doesn't automatically make us better. Holiday is not that big of a needle mover.
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Post#823 » by stillgotgame » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:10 am

Jrue + 3rd year Donte > Bled + Wes. We’re clearly better this year.
I thought we had enough talent last year and we have more now. I don’t think talent is the problem.

The problem is our dumb ass coach putting the ball in Giannis hands at the 3 point line. He can’t shoot consistently from there and he can’t drive against playoff level D. Get him the damn ball at the free throw line.
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Post#824 » by RiotPunch » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:11 am

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MiCo7 wrote:So if we stayed the exact same team are we getting out of the east? Contending for title?

I think you are saying we got way worse?

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No it is simple. I don't understand why we get the same arguments every year.

The league evolves. The East became much better. The Bucks are not the "new concept" presented 2 years ago with Bud on the bench and the league's top 10 teams know how to limit them in the playoffs.

The Bucks needed immense improvements. Up until what I have seen, they improved somewhat but not enough in critical aspects of their game (mostly playmaking).

I stated my opinion (of course assuming the roster remains as is). I will be here at the end of the season to discuss after the results.


The disrespect Jrue gets is crazy. He's a huge upgrade over Bledsoe and a proven playmaker. Watch the film. How did the East become much better? Besides KD and Kyrie coming back its pretty much the same IMO.

With our assets and cap what immense improvements were you looking for?? What playmaker on the market did you want to get that would put us over the top?

At the end of the day Giannis is still improving as well, his playmaking and BBALL IQ will get better. Crazy to say we aren't title contenders or cant get out of the East.

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Post#825 » by Chad34 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:11 am

ABucksFan wrote:
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MiCo7 wrote:So if we stayed the exact same team are we getting out of the east? Contending for title?

I think you are saying we got way worse?

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No it is simple. I don't understand why we get the same arguments every year.

The league evolves. The East became much better. The Bucks are not the "new concept" presented 2 years ago with Bud on the bench and the league's top 10 teams know how to limit them in the playoffs.

The Bucks needed immense improvements. Up until what I have seen, they improved somewhat but not enough in critical aspects of their game (mostly playmaking).

I stated my opinion (of course assuming the roster remains as is). I will be here at the end of the season to discuss after the results.


The disrespect Jrue gets is crazy. He's a huge upgrade over Bledsoe and a proven playmaker. Watch the film. How did the East become much better? Besides KD and Kyrie coming back its pretty much the same IMO.

With our assets and cap what immense improvements were you looking for?? What playmaker on the market did you want to get that would put us over the top?

At the end of the day Giannis is still improving as well, his playmaking and BBALL IQ will get better. Crazy to say we aren't title contenders or cant get out of the East.

also don't forget there might actually be young potential to utilize and grow. haven't had any in the last few years
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Post#826 » by Mags FTW » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:11 am

WRau1 wrote:If all that is true, the incompetence in the front office, this could literally be the beginning of the end of pro basketball in Wisconsin. Front office fumbles most important offseason ever, Giannis & Holiday walk, can't properly rebuild without picks, by the time fans are allowed back in the stands there isn't an interest, owners sell.

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Post#827 » by SirChurros » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:13 am

humanrefutation wrote:Jrue is an upgrade over Bled. Besides that, I think we're worse in terms of depth than we were last year.

Then again, everything feels better to me if Giannis re-signs.


Yeah, I was going to say is it weird to think we got worse this offseason? Not sure if it's the reality or if it just feels like it because we lost Bogdan.
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Post#828 » by ABucksFan » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:18 am

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TD75 wrote:
No it is simple. I don't understand why we get the same arguments every year.

The league evolves. The East became much better. The Bucks are not the "new concept" presented 2 years ago with Bud on the bench and the league's top 10 teams know how to limit them in the playoffs.

The Bucks needed immense improvements. Up until what I have seen, they improved somewhat but not enough in critical aspects of their game (mostly playmaking).

I stated my opinion (of course assuming the roster remains as is). I will be here at the end of the season to discuss after the results.


The disrespect Jrue gets is crazy. He's a huge upgrade over Bledsoe and a proven playmaker. Watch the film. How did the East become much better? Besides KD and Kyrie coming back its pretty much the same IMO.

With our assets and cap what immense improvements were you looking for?? What playmaker on the market did you want to get that would put us over the top?

At the end of the day Giannis is still improving as well, his playmaking and BBALL IQ will get better. Crazy to say we aren't title contenders or cant get out of the East.

Yeah, those nobodies won't change a thing!


I mean where did I say they wouldn't? KD is a superstar, but coming off injury who knows. Kyrie has been bad in the playoffs and we have Jrue. Sure give the edge to Kyrie on offense but DEF its Jrue. Lol just crazy
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Post#829 » by lvckv » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:18 am

Is there anyplace around that has up to date cap situations that I don't have to subscribe to Nate Duncan's podcast to look at?
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Post#830 » by Ron Swanson » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:22 am

You can think that the front office both bumbled their way through this offseason and also that they improved slightly on the margins. Not exactly inspiring work but I also won't engage the people that think this roster of the last 2 years somehow weren't legitimate contenders because that's flat out ridiculous. Just sucks that the margin for error got slimmer and IMO we're banking on some key unknown variables (is Jrue enough of an upgrade, Donte taking a leap, Giannis figuring out any sort of in-between offensive game). I'll reserve final judgement for when the dust settles.
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Post#831 » by Chad34 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:23 am

RiotPunch wrote:
ABucksFan wrote:
TD75 wrote:
No it is simple. I don't understand why we get the same arguments every year.

The league evolves. The East became much better. The Bucks are not the "new concept" presented 2 years ago with Bud on the bench and the league's top 10 teams know how to limit them in the playoffs.

The Bucks needed immense improvements. Up until what I have seen, they improved somewhat but not enough in critical aspects of their game (mostly playmaking).

I stated my opinion (of course assuming the roster remains as is). I will be here at the end of the season to discuss after the results.


The disrespect Jrue gets is crazy. He's a huge upgrade over Bledsoe and a proven playmaker. Watch the film. How did the East become much better? Besides KD and Kyrie coming back its pretty much the same IMO.

With our assets and cap what immense improvements were you looking for?? What playmaker on the market did you want to get that would put us over the top?

At the end of the day Giannis is still improving as well, his playmaking and BBALL IQ will get better. Crazy to say we aren't title contenders or cant get out of the East.

Yeah, those nobodies won't change a thing!

last time kyrie was seen he was pretty sucky. dudes not a winning player. who knows if durant will still be a top player. even so we'll kick the **** out of the nets
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Post#832 » by paulpressey25 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:24 am

The team will be better this year, simply based on adding Jrue and Augustin

The problem is that we spent our entire drafts from 2024 to 2027 to get there. That type of asset outlay should get you much more.
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Post#833 » by Prez » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:24 am

If reports about Durant looking mostly like Durant are true I think Brooklyn wins the East. They have just so much firepower between KD, Kyrie, LeVert, Harris, Dinwiddie, and a couple solid rim rollers in Allen/DJ. If they get Ibaka somehow to shore up their paint D we pretty much have to pray Kyrie **** everything up lol.
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Post#834 » by Chad34 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:27 am

Prez wrote:If reports about Durant looking mostly like Durant are true I think Brooklyn wins the East. They have just so much firepower between KD, Kyrie, LeVert, Harris, Dinwiddie, and a couple solid rim rollers in Allen/DJ. If they get Ibaka somehow to shore up their paint D we pretty much have to pray Kyrie **** everything up lol.

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Post#835 » by fansinceforever » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:29 am

Baddy Chuck wrote:If we aren't title contenders now we weren't by trading for Bogdanovic.


Probably true but he moves the needle closer. We all knew we needed guys with indivual scoring ability after watching the teams that did have it advance. He helps in that regard.
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Post#836 » by Mags FTW » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:30 am

It's a 50-win team that can make the Finals if one of the rookies is Brogdon 2.0
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Post#837 » by Chad34 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:32 am

Mags FTW wrote:It's a 50-win team that can make the Finals if one of the rookies is Brogdon 2.0

50-22 aint too bad :D
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Post#838 » by ReasonablySober » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:33 am

Mags FTW wrote:It's a 50-win team that can make the Finals if one of the rookies is Brogdon 2.0


I don't see any reason to think they'll be worse than last year. Maybe there's even more load management this season, but the talent is better this year.
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Post#839 » by har13 » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:33 am

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for 3 years one of the worst teams in the league wasnt any better whether he played or not. i dont deny he was a winner in europe. buts lots of euro twigs can win there and dont here.

Man so we won because of Donte and they were bad because of Bogdan is your answer?

His 3pt% is 38% all his life and the best player of his team, imagine his 3pt% when everyone guarding Giannis... Serbians are dogs man..

I'm not going to say anything about him and his game cause he isn't coming so i dont care about him...


donte had a better net rating than anybody in our starting lineup besides giannis. bogdan was just barely positive this year in a no defense system that looked like a ymca pickup game perfectly suited for his game. ddv with all the nerves and no experience came in immediately did all the little things. so young and instant impact. i just imagine once that shot falls and it will. he has that dna man. it will literally make me sad he has to go to the kings. he doesnt deserve that

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Read about his career and his stats and you know what you can get from him..
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Another one of the players on the current roster is Bogdan Bogdanovic. He is many fan’s favorite player, and there are also those who believe that trading him would improve the team. He is fun-loving yet ultra competitive and plays with a passion that we can all appreciate. His knowledge of the game and basketball IQ give the Kings an extra coach on the floor, and he isn’t afraid to wear his emotions on his sleeve.

He owns what is a top-3 buzzer beater in Sacramento Kings history when he downed the Lakers in 2018, and has a handful of other clutch shots on his resume.

One sign of Bogdanovic’s value and importance is the surge in victories that the team enjoyed when he was moved in to the starting lineup during the second half of the 2019-’20 season. The team struggled for much of the season up to that point, and had won 13 of their previous 20 games before the league shut down.

Bogdanovic is due a big contract this summer, and it will be interesting to see how the Kings handle the situation.


After he become a starter Kings won 13 of their 20 games.
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Post#840 » by Baddy Chuck » Sun Nov 22, 2020 12:35 am

fansinceforever wrote:
Baddy Chuck wrote:If we aren't title contenders now we weren't by trading for Bogdanovic.


Probably true but he moves the needle closer. We all knew we needed guys with indivual scoring ability after watching the teams that did have it advance. He helps in that regard.

Think he's been super overrated in that regard based on his NBA career.

Isolation:
17/18: 62nd percentile
18/19: 56th percentile
19/20: 67th percentile

P&R:
17/18: 56th percentile
18/19: 53rd percentile
19/20: 57th percentile

Pull up shooting:
17/18: 51st percentile
18/19: 42nd percentile
19/20: 46th percentile

I think he has a confidence and swagger that helped him a lot more in the league that Vassilis Spanoulis also dominated than actually translated to the NBA. TBF though I also am on the side that playing with Giannis makes things a lot easier than playing for Vivek Ranadive.
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