Stotts Steps Down

[ReasonablySober]

Right!? It goes both ways here. I still don't think Stotts liked the idea of the grind and being an assistant again. That's ok and understandable. Maybe him and AG didn't hit it off either and that's ok as well. They both are professionals. Ultimately though Stotts is the one who made the decision here and I'm not sure why AG is getting so beat up about this. Is he supposed to change how he acts to placate to Terry Stotts? If so, we should have just hired Terry Stotts to be our head coach.

AG's getting "beat up" because he looks like an a*shole. No one here would want to work in a situation where you're being embarrassed and disrespected, particularly from someone who may only have been hired because of a special favor to someone else.

But doesn’t this same sentiment apply to Griffin? One could say Griffin doesn’t want an assistant around that disrespects him and embarrasses him by blowing off the head coach and doing what he wants.

One didn't seem like the other.

[engelmartin]

Can we just hire an actor to play Terry Stotts?

[Prez]

Yea that worked out extremely well.

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

Nah. Under Ime they had the best net rating/SRS of any Celtics team in the Tatum/Brown era and they also made it the farthest in the playoffs, and frankly only lost in the finals because Tatum crapped himself.

From a basketball standpoint Ime was outstanding for the Celtics and his hard nosed, tough coaching was perfect for them. Where he messed up was non basketball related.

[ReasonablySober]

his hard nose take no **** hold everyone accountable mindset changed that team into another level of contender

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

Nah. Under Ime they had the best net rating/SRS of any Celtics team in the Tatum/Brown era and they also made it the farthest in the playoffs, and frankly only lost in the finals because Tatum crapped himself.

From a basketball standpoint Ime was outstanding for the Celtics and his hard nosed, tough coaching was perfect for them. Where he messed up was non basketball related.

The difference in the two teams was one had a healthy Robert Williams, the other didn't.

[MVP2110]

Udoka is a good coach no doubt. He's also not who I'd try and emulate for our team

[WeekapaugGroove]

Honestly the Cs have been about the same team for 3 different coaches... they seem like a good example of my belief that we overstate the impact of coaching in professional sports.



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[Prez]

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

Nah. Under Ime they had the best net rating/SRS of any Celtics team in the Tatum/Brown era and they also made it the farthest in the playoffs, and frankly only lost in the finals because Tatum crapped himself.

From a basketball standpoint Ime was outstanding for the Celtics and his hard nosed, tough coaching was perfect for them. Where he messed up was non basketball related.

The difference in the two teams was one had a healthy Robert Williams, the other didn't.

And Ime only got 26 games of Derrick White while Mazzulla got all 82. And when Ime did have him, they were blowing the doors off teams to a degree the Mazzulla team never touched. We can come up with differences both ways.

[Shaffty]

They were better two years prior with Stevens, and better again when he was gone with Mazzulla.

Nah. Under Ime they had the best net rating/SRS of any Celtics team in the Tatum/Brown era and they also made it the farthest in the playoffs, and frankly only lost in the finals because Tatum crapped himself.

From a basketball standpoint Ime was outstanding for the Celtics and his hard nosed, tough coaching was perfect for them. Where he messed up was non basketball related.

The difference in the two teams was one had a healthy Robert Williams, the other didn't.

its ok to just say 'fair point'

[ReasonablySober]

Nah. Under Ime they had the best net rating/SRS of any Celtics team in the Tatum/Brown era and they also made it the farthest in the playoffs, and frankly only lost in the finals because Tatum crapped himself.

From a basketball standpoint Ime was outstanding for the Celtics and his hard nosed, tough coaching was perfect for them. Where he messed up was non basketball related.

The difference in the two teams was one had a healthy Robert Williams, the other didn't.

And Ime only got 26 games of Derrick White while Mazzulla got all 82. And when Ime did have him, they were blowing the doors off teams to a degree the Mazzulla team never touched. We can come up with differences both ways.

fair point

[Prez]

Udoka is a good coach no doubt. He's also not who I'd try and emulate for our team

Honestly, he’s exactly what I’d want out of Griffin. Stud defensive coach who doesn’t take **** from anyone and holds all the idiots on the team accountable lol. We’ve desperately needed that, Giannis has needed that for the longest time.

Obviously I’d want Griff to be like Ime *only* in a basketball coach sense lol.

[MVP2110]

Udoka is a good coach no doubt. He's also not who I'd try and emulate for our team

Honestly, he’s exactly what I’d want out of Griffin. Stud defensive coach who doesn’t take **** from anyone and holds all the idiots on the team accountable lol. We’ve desperately needed that, Giannis has needed that for the longest time.

Obviously I’d want Griff to be like Ime *only* in a basketball coach sense lol.

Abrasive personalities tend to wear out their welcomes real fast, Ime obviously had other issues but I'm not sure how much longer he'd have lasted anyway

[FrieAaron]

Udoka is a good coach no doubt. He's also not who I'd try and emulate for our team

Honestly, he’s exactly what I’d want out of Griffin. Stud defensive coach who doesn’t take **** from anyone and holds all the idiots on the team accountable lol. We’ve desperately needed that, Giannis has needed that for the longest time.

Obviously I’d want Griff to be like Ime *only* in a basketball coach sense lol.

Abrasive personalities tend to wear out their welcomes real fast, Ime obviously had other issues but I'm not sure how much longer he'd have lasted anyway

I think there's a middle ground here. You can hold players accountable but have tact.

[MVP2110]

Honestly, he’s exactly what I’d want out of Griffin. Stud defensive coach who doesn’t take **** from anyone and holds all the idiots on the team accountable lol. We’ve desperately needed that, Giannis has needed that for the longest time.

Obviously I’d want Griff to be like Ime *only* in a basketball coach sense lol.

Abrasive personalities tend to wear out their welcomes real fast, Ime obviously had other issues but I'm not sure how much longer he'd have lasted anyway

I think there's a middle ground here. You can hold players accountable but have tact.

Their absolutely is a middle ground. You can't let people walk all over you either. I'm just saying Udoka isn't exactly my ideal coach. Give me a guy like Spo, Kerr, Lue, etc.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

Taking a few minutes to address a coachable moment with key players (which I believe can serve team purposes) is insubordiantion? How fragile and autocratic must any hc be!

How fragile must an asst. coach be to step down because of that?

i agree. stotts should have walked up to him and chest bumped him and told him to shut his mouth hole..... something to show how unfragile he is

i think people are missing the point. if i quoted anybody here and tried to manhandle them to put them in their place...like how would that go? were all men. theres a line you dont cross. clearly AG crossed it

[RiotPunch]

After letting this marinate a bit:

-AG comes off as an insecure, abrasive jerk for calling out Stotts in front of players/staff. Confrontation should happen behind closed doors.
-Stotts comes off as an overreactive, entitled crybaby to just up and quit over it.
-Players all seem happy, chief among them being Dame, which alleviated most of my concerns.
-Still hope we bring someone in. Fingers crossed for D'Antoni, would be open to Nash.
-Agree that AG at his best emulates Ime before he started listening to the wrong head.
-Bucks are gonna be really **** good.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

IMO the Bucks needed an **** as the head coach.

we already had one before bud. that worked poorly

[PG Graveyard]

Taking a few minutes to address a coachable moment with key players (which I believe can serve team purposes) is insubordiantion? How fragile and autocratic must any hc be!

How fragile must an asst. coach be to step down because of that?

i agree. stotts should have walked up to him and chest bumped him and told him to shut his mouth hole..... something to show how unfragile he is

i think people are missing the point. if i quoted anybody here and tried to manhandle them to put them in their place...like how would that go? were all men. theres a line you dont cross. clearly AG crossed it

Manhandling him? Lol.

[KidA24]

$192,893,381 - that is the cost of the Bucks team this year that Adrian Griffin has been hired to manage. So far he has done so with rave reviews from the players, all of them speaking very highly of his style and his dedication to treating everyone on the team the same, no special privileges. Now if he has a coach working under him that believes he has special privileges things begin to unravel for the entire team. This should not be hard to understand, those defending Stotts and saying AG should not have yelled at him because it hurt his feelings, give me a break, $192,893,381 is what AG is responsible for and if someone steps out of line, I sure hope they get lambasted as this is not a time to be an individual, this is a team.

Dude, you don't rip on the guy who gives you playing time.

Everyone raved about Jason Kidd too.

[blazza18]

This thread is ridiculous lol.

As I make my way through this cringey train wreck of a thread, this is undoubtedly the best post I've read. Cheers and have a great weekend.

Someone who offered no opinion on the actual topic at all is the best post you've read?

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

How fragile must an asst. coach be to step down because of that?

i agree. stotts should have walked up to him and chest bumped him and told him to shut his mouth hole..... something to show how unfragile he is

i think people are missing the point. if i quoted anybody here and tried to manhandle them to put them in their place...like how would that go? were all men. theres a line you dont cross. clearly AG crossed it

Manhandling him? Lol.

i was going for the opposite of fragile