Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas - Darvin Returns

[Baddy Chuck]

Especially the regular season blowout game where the Celtics just shot a bunch of isolation shots and chose not to run plays so we didn't get any reps defending their plays. That was calculated Daver, they assumed we'd somehow make it to the ECF and punted that game.

This is honestly some of the dumbest **** I've read .

[raferfenix]

Marc Stein’s Cassell report comes in combination with Jake Fischer hearing Joerger interviewed with Cleveland:

The Cavaliers will have at least three candidates in town this week to interview for Cleveland’s head coaching vacancy, league sources told Yahoo Sports. New Orleans Pelicans associate head coach James Borrego completed a visit with Cavaliers brass on Tuesday, sources said, while Golden State Warriors assistant Kenny Atkinson and Timberwolves assistant Micah Nori are also scheduled to meet with Cleveland officials in person this week. The Cavaliers have met with and are still conducting interviews with various candidates over Zoom as well, sources said, such as Knicks assistant Johnnie Bryant and Milwaukee Bucks assistant Dave Joerger.

https://sports.yahoo.com/sources-james-borrego-kenny-atkinson-micah-nori-advancing-in-cavaliers-head-coaching-search-211008659.html

The Milwaukee Bucks are expected to extend a significant offer to hire Sam Cassell as the lead assistant coach under Doc Rivers.

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/276077/Bucks-Will-Try-To-Hire-Sam-Cassell-Away-From-Celtics-As-Lead-Assistant

[JayMKE]

I guess there’s nothing that says you can’t have two “lead assistants”, Sam would be fun to have on the sideline. Seems like him and Joerger are still in running for HC jobs.

[ShootingtheJ]

IMO this is the make or break year with the current core. I think more than likely they run everything back because guys like Bobby and Brook have more value to the Bucks than they do anywhere else, and their other assets are mostly worthless.

Hopefully the Bucks win it all. But regardless, next summer is when they need to plan for the later stages of Giannis's career, and that means youth. Lillard gets traded to someplace he wants to live. Middleton probably opts out. Brook retires. Bobby is dealt for whatever they can get.

Next summer is the interesting one.

Bobby is way more valuable to a team that can start him at PF. On the Bucks, he's a backup, and plays half his minutes playing out of position.

Do we really think the league didn't notice the monster numbers Portis or up when he started at PF?

[ShootingtheJ]

Especially the regular season blowout game where the Celtics just shot a bunch of isolation shots and chose not to run plays so we didn't get any reps defending their plays. That was calculated Daver, they assumed we'd somehow make it to the ECF and punted that game.

This is honestly some of the dumbest **** I've read .

Yeah, if he had watched the game, and could recognize an offensive set, he'd see Boston ran the same stuff they're running now, but those sets didn't work against the Bucks.

The only concern for me is that Brown has improved significantly at countering getting steered left. Impressive, considering he still can't dribble with his left.

[raferfenix]

Bobby is way more valuable to a team that can start him at PF. On the Bucks, he's a backup, and plays half his minutes playing out of position.

Do we really think the league didn't notice the monster numbers Portis or up when he started at PF?

Someone else posted a reminder of how when Bobby started next to Giannis while Brook had back surgery Giannis complained all the time about how much he missed having Brook.

If Giannis enters a new season of his career and commits to being more of a center like KG did in Boston then Bobby's fit is different.

Giannis could be perennial DPOY and lead the league in rebounds if he wanted. But if that's not happening (yet at least) then Bobby's scoring punch isn't as valuable as other attributes in lineups that also include Dame and Middleton.

[bdpecore]

Hey Mr. Chuck, sir. You should turn on the finals and see what Boston is doing to Luka on defense. If we played them in the ECF they would have did that to all 3 of our wings (Dame/Beas/KM). Hey Baddy, we should probably get some defense especially at the 1 - 3 quickly.

To bad we will never kniw but i think a healthy bucks team takes the Cs 7 games the bucks played the Cs very good during the season.By no means do i think boston dominates the bucks

Ooo oooo I know this one! Your evidence is because we beat them really good in the regular season. Especially the regular season blowout game where the Celtics just shot a bunch of isolation shots and chose not to run plays so we didn't get any reps defending their plays. That was calculated Daver, they assumed we'd somehow make it to the ECF and punted that game. That is not adequate evidence? Do you have anything else? Maybe some net differential or some other regular season garbage?

Listen, we punted on backcourt defense in order to finally pair Giannis with a superstar but now we have to double back and get defenders again (that have at least 1 offensive skill). We have to fix it this offseason and FYI Boston would have beat our a$$ worse than Indy did even fully healthy because we were even worse on D than when they beat our a$$ last time. No more being delusional guys; if we run it back we don't get past the 1st round again. Get defenders. Honestly Dame and KM playing 40ish minutes together is already not enough defense.

People need to stop making it seem like last year's defensive woes wasn't a direct result of Horst signing Beasley to add more offensive firepower to our bench because we had a less offensive code before the Dame trade came together at the last minute. Giving Horst an entire offseason to surround Giannis, Dame and Khris with complimentary pieces will go along way to eliminate most of the defensive deficiencies we witnessed last season.

If you read what fans of other teams suggest the Bucks should approach the offseason, its all about tweaking the roster to better fit our core players. Barely anyone thinks we should be breaking up our core of Giannis, Dame, Khris, Brook and Bobby. Pat C should be traded to get them under the 2nd apron and access to the TPMLE. This team is still considered a top 3 team in the East, next season by most pundits.

[raferfenix]

The trade board seems to think the Bucks mostly stand pat because our guys aren’t worth anything.

Maybe we are brainless homers but if the Bucks were to trade any of our top guys I think the league would be surprised at the return. Just like they were with Dame.

We know Houston in particular valued BroLo last offseason. The Rockets are also reportedly seeking a win now move for a big name 3 which makes me wonder whether Middleton could be on their radar if other options don’t pan out. Either way the Bucks seem like a team that might be willing to deal with Dillon Brooks considering how badly we need perimeter defense.

Am playing with a scenario that I think might even work despite the 2nd apron since the players could be dealt in technically separate moves — what do we think?

Bucks trade: Brook Lopez, Pat Connaughton, TBD young players / picks
Rockets trade: Dillon Brooks, Steven Adams, TBD young players / picks.

[Daver]

Hey Mr. Chuck, sir. You should turn on the finals and see what Boston is doing to Luka on defense. If we played them in the ECF they would have did that to all 3 of our wings (Dame/Beas/KM). Hey Baddy, we should probably get some defense especially at the 1 - 3 quickly.

To bad we will never kniw but i think a healthy bucks team takes the Cs 7 games the bucks played the Cs very good during the season.By no means do i think boston dominates the bucks

Ooo oooo I know this one! Your evidence is because we beat them really good in the regular season. Especially the regular season blowout game where the Celtics just shot a bunch of isolation shots and chose not to run plays so we didn't get any reps defending their plays. That was calculated Daver, they assumed we'd somehow make it to the ECF and punted that game. That is not adequate evidence? Do you have anything else? Maybe some net differential or some other regular season garbage?

Listen, we punted on backcourt defense in order to finally pair Giannis with a superstar but now we have to double back and get defenders again (that have at least 1 offensive skill). We have to fix it this offseason and FYI Boston would have beat our a$$ worse than Indy did even fully healthy because we were even worse on D than when they beat our a$$ last time. No more being delusional guys; if we run it back we don't get past the 1st round again. Get defenders. Honestly Dame and KM playing 40ish minutes together is already not enough defense.

Beat our ass last rime.mmmm you talking about 22 when without midds we took them 7 games .....we lost that series cause our O blew dog **** for most of that series n still took them to 7 gsmes.
Not a chance the Cs beat our ass worse than indy did if healthy.At the worst its a 7 gsme series against them

[ShootingtheJ]

Bobby is way more valuable to a team that can start him at PF. On the Bucks, he's a backup, and plays half his minutes playing out of position.

Do we really think the league didn't notice the monster numbers Portis or up when he started at PF?

Someone else posted a reminder of how when Bobby started next to Giannis while Brook had back surgery Giannis complained all the time about how much he missed having Brook.

If Giannis enters a new season of his career and commits to being more of a center like KG did in Boston then Bobby's fit is different.

Giannis could be perennial DPOY and lead the league in rebounds if he wanted. But if that's not happening (yet at least) then Bobby's scoring punch isn't as valuable as other attributes in lineups that also include Dame and Middleton.

Yup, Bobby is too valuable to continue to be a backup here, and Giannis is our PF. It's time to cash in Bobby, and he deserves to start for someone else.

[ReasonablySober]

The trade board seems to think the Bucks mostly stand pat because our guys aren’t worth anything.

I've been sayin'.

[JayMKE]

The trade board seems to think the Bucks mostly stand pat because our guys aren’t worth anything.

Maybe we are brainless homers but if the Bucks were to trade any of our top guys I think the league would be surprised at the return. Just like they were with Dame.

We know Houston in particular valued BroLo last offseason. The Rockets are also reportedly seeking a win now move for a big name 3 which makes me wonder whether Middleton could be on their radar if other options don’t pan out. Either way the Bucks seem like a team that might be willing to deal with Dillon Brooks considering how badly we need perimeter defense.

Am playing with a scenario that I think might even work despite the 2nd apron since the players could be dealt in technically separate moves — what do we think?

Bucks trade: Brook Lopez, Pat Connaughton, TBD young players / picks
Rockets trade: Dillon Brooks, Steven Adams, TBD young players / picks.

RGMers put inordinate amount of value on picks & youth, doesn’t make sense teams are willing throw out $20-30M+ a season multiyear deals to guys but they have no trade value.

[Ryan5UW]

Anyone actually have a subscription to read that Stein article? I thought I saw somewhere that it goes on to say that the hiring of Darvin and Buckner likely means expected Sam to stay in Boston.

[Ron Swanson]

The Trade board on RealGM dot-com is the same as any other internet message board where every thread/proposal inevitably ends in a stalemate and bickering over marginal asset value because everyone thinks the entire goal of transactions is to "fleece" the other team. I couldn't care less what arm-chair GM's think of Brook and Bobby's value. If Horst doesn't pull the trigger on a big move, it's not because those guys aren't coveted players around the league.

[German Athens]

The trade board seems to think the Bucks mostly stand pat because our guys aren’t worth anything.

Maybe we are brainless homers but if the Bucks were to trade any of our top guys I think the league would be surprised at the return. Just like they were with Dame.

We know Houston in particular valued BroLo last offseason. The Rockets are also reportedly seeking a win now move for a big name 3 which makes me wonder whether Middleton could be on their radar if other options don’t pan out. Either way the Bucks seem like a team that might be willing to deal with Dillon Brooks considering how badly we need perimeter defense.

Am playing with a scenario that I think might even work despite the 2nd apron since the players could be dealt in technically separate moves — what do we think?

Bucks trade: Brook Lopez, Pat Connaughton, TBD young players / picks
Rockets trade: Dillon Brooks, Steven Adams, TBD young players / picks.

Not really seeing that at all. I think mostly there’s been like 5 threads along the lines of “what will Milwaukee do this summer”, and most of the main posters on the trade board are just done talking about the bucks, considering nothing has changed since the last thread.

We’ve seen a Sac moderator offer 13, Davion, and 45 for Bobby and 23.

We’ve seen discussion about brook and 23 for WCJ and Carsuo.

We’ve seen brook for WCJ, Anthony and 2nds. Brook for Marcus smart and 2nds.

The lakers have shown interest in both guys.

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I think mostly the disconnect between the bucks board and trade board right now, is the trade board doesn’t understand it from the bucks perspective in a lot of deals.

Their rationale being, you won’t be able to trade Brook for a talent upgrade, and since they are a contender, you can’t take a talent downgrade.

Where as I think most bucks fans would be interested in a top end talent downgrade for a couple better fitting pieces that we would still see as positives on the court, particularly in a brook trade.

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Generally, I think Brook and Bobby’s value will rise as some of the other big men pieces get sorted out.

Hartenstein and Claxton in FA

Jarrett Allen via trade

After that group, it kinda seems to come down to Brook, Bobby, WCJ, and Stewart.

Considering Mem, Nop, Lal, Sac are teams with limited space interested in upgrading their center spot, and Okc, Hou, and Orl with cap space and interest in upgrading center, there will be plenty of teams looking for plan B.

[ReasonablySober]

The Trade board on RealGM dot-com is the same as any other internet message board where every thread/proposal inevitably ends in a stalemate and bickering over marginal asset value because everyone thinks the entire goal of transactions is to "fleece" the other team. I couldn't care less what arm-chair GM's think of Brook and Bobby's value. If Horst doesn't pull the trigger on a big move, it's not because those guys aren't coveted players around the league.

"coveted"

[MickeyDavis]

Anyone actually have a subscription to read that Stein article? I thought I saw somewhere that it goes on to say that the hiring of Darvin and Buckner likely means expected Sam to stay in Boston.

Probably. But it could be a case of Sam liked working with Doc and has not liked working with Mazzulla. I think the designation of "lead" assistant is somewhat overblown. You take over if the HC gets ejected so I guess there's that.

[paulpressey25]

If you haven't listened to the Bill Simmons podcast with Doc Rivers, you probably should. Some takeaways I had:

-Sam is one of Doc's best friends. Tells me he'll be on staff once the Finals are over

-Doc talks about how Giannis and Khris were doing their usual thing of bringing the ball up-court after made baskets, when that should be Dame's responsibility. Said that is/was in the process of being fixed. Dame needs to start the offense after made baskets. If non-made, and Giannis gets the rebound, then Giannis will be allowed to push it like he normally does.

-After saying the above, Doc then goes on to say Giannis is in many ways our PG, so that's a big reason we lost to Indy.

-Doc tossed Dame under the bus as essentially being out of shape last year. Claims it takes guy's all year to get into shape, so don't be too mad at Dame. Claims Dame is now in-shape after working out the last two months.

-Said Giannis probably doesn't play against the Knicks had the Bucks advanced, based on severity of his injury.

-Doc spends his free time watching NBA games and playing golf with Larry David. To me this means we need Larry David courtside in Milwaukee next year for a game

-Doc's memory and understanding of the game is impeccable. You can see how he's able to get these top jobs by impressing ownership groups.

[MickeyDavis]

-Doc spends his free time watching NBA games and playing golf with Larry David. To me this means we need Larry David courtside in Milwaukee next year for a game

The hell we do

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[RRyder823]

He’s not a liability at all, he’s just not an asset. The fact that we’re slow/poor on defense around him makes the defense a problem. Brook is glacially slow for 2024 NBA and Giannis is too big/slow at PF. This team has to get smaller/quicker with Giannis playing some center minutes where’s he’s a plus defender.

We're at the point where someone thinks Giannis isn't a plus defender at the 4?.......... Grass..... It's green..... Touch it if you haven't in a while

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Giannis sucks as a modern 4 defender. Too slow to close out on threes. Scrubs have career games against him.

Grass. Touch it

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