OT: P90X/Health and Fitness Thread

Post #841 » by **ReasonablySober** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 1:32 am

I guess this falls into the health category, but I'm quitting drinking for a while, starting today.

Kerb Hohl · Post #842 » by **Kerb Hohl** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:21 am

DrugBust wrote:I guess this falls into the health category, but I'm quitting drinking for a while, starting today.

Rough night last night, eh? How much did she weigh?

jimmybones · Post #843 » by **jimmybones** » Thu Sep 22, 2011 2:51 pm

Drinking is the worst for fat loss or muscle gain, both take a backseat to burning off the liquor. I'm actually going to take a little break myself, I'm curious to see what kind of progress I'd make.

Sauce Boss · Post #844 » by **Sauce Boss** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:23 am

Don't know when I last had an update post here. Haven't worked out in past 3 weeks or so since school has started and I've been sick for the good part of the last week and a half. I'm still good on my weight and my arms don't look like they've lost much of anything. I'm roughly at 166-169 range. I've been trying to figure it out where I want to be at for the long haul and I'm thinking I want to crack into the 150's. I think any lighter than 150 and I'll be flat out underweight and unhealthy, maybe 150-155 final goal. Thing is I'm having a little trouble figuring out what I should do to get there. Start P90X over? I only have one band at my college house and barely any space to do the tapes let alone have a set of weights laying around. I was thinking maybe cardio focus and ab work since I'm still kinda pear shaped. Not sure what to eat either since I'm on a budget at college (healthy food ain't cheap). Could use some help and motivation. Any suggestions?

AussieBuck · Post #845 » by **AussieBuck** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 9:49 am

Sauce Boss wrote:Don't know when I last had an update post here. Haven't worked out in past 3 weeks or so since school has started and I've been sick for the good part of the last week and a half. I'm still good on my weight and my arms don't look like they've lost much of anything. I'm roughly at 166-169 range. I've been trying to figure it out where I want to be at for the long haul and I'm thinking I want to crack into the 150's. I think any lighter than 150 and I'll be flat out underweight and unhealthy, maybe 150-155 final goal. Thing is I'm having a little trouble figuring out what I should do to get there. Start P90X over? I only have one band at my college house and barely any space to do the tapes let alone have a set of weights laying around. I was thinking maybe cardio focus and ab work since I'm still kinda pear shaped. Not sure what to eat either since I'm on a budget at college (healthy food ain't cheap). Could use some help and motivation. Any suggestions?

Burpees are your friend.

Sauce Boss · Post #846 » by **Sauce Boss** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 10:01 am

AussieBuck wrote:
Sauce Boss wrote:Don't know when I last had an update post here. Haven't worked out in past 3 weeks or so since school has started and I've been sick for the good part of the last week and a half. I'm still good on my weight and my arms don't look like they've lost much of anything. I'm roughly at 166-169 range. I've been trying to figure it out where I want to be at for the long haul and I'm thinking I want to crack into the 150's. I think any lighter than 150 and I'll be flat out underweight and unhealthy, maybe 150-155 final goal. Thing is I'm having a little trouble figuring out what I should do to get there. Start P90X over? I only have one band at my college house and barely any space to do the tapes let alone have a set of weights laying around. I was thinking maybe cardio focus and ab work since I'm still kinda pear shaped. Not sure what to eat either since I'm on a budget at college (healthy food ain't cheap). Could use some help and motivation. Any suggestions?

Burpees are your friend.

Looks just like up and downs, reminds me of freshmen football yikes. Probably something to add to the workout plan. Really need to kick myself into gear.

jimmybones · Post #847 » by **jimmybones** » Sat Sep 24, 2011 7:19 pm

For your purpose of trying to lose weight "healthy food" does not matter at all. Track your calories and eat 500 fewer calories a day than you are now. That or just take your body weight and multiply it by 12, eat that many calories a day. Don't go lower than x10. If you eat anywhere between 10-14x your body weight and do ANY for of exercise you will lose weight. Don't bother with the core workouts unless you are an athlete. The fat needs to go, working your core strengthens your core but does next to nothing for burning fat.

Sauce Boss · Post #848 » by **Sauce Boss** » Sun Sep 25, 2011 8:27 am

jimmybones wrote:For your purpose of trying to lose weight "healthy food" does not matter at all. Track your calories and eat 500 fewer calories a day than you are now. That or just take your body weight and multiply it by 12, eat that many calories a day. Don't go lower than x10. If you eat anywhere between 10-14x your body weight and do ANY for of exercise you will lose weight. Don't bother with the core workouts unless you are an athlete. The fat needs to go, working your core strengthens your core but does next to nothing for burning fat.

Probably a good idea. I'm no expert and I don't know if you are either but at what rate should I lose weight if I keep a constant 500 calorie deficit appropriate to my weight?

jimmybones · Post #849 » by **jimmybones** » Sun Sep 25, 2011 6:29 pm

I wouldn't call myself an expert but this is my life, I'm a personal trainer. Some trainers get a bad rap as just fit guys that are basically rep counters, but I love the science behind all of this. Nutrition and training.

In theory, -500 daily would put you at -3500 weekly. 3500 calories equals a pound. If you are taking 500 away in the food department and burning more calories(exercise) then you should be 1-2 lbs a week. You really don't want to lose any faster than that anyways. That said, the numbers don't work out so perfectly in the body since there are so many variables. So about -500 calories a day will yield about a pound a week of fat loss.

One other basic and free tip is drink enough water if you aren't, even if you think you get enough, drink more. If you are even the tiniest bit dehydrated fat burning in your body slows down.

Sauce Boss · Post #850 » by **Sauce Boss** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 6:26 am

jimmybones wrote:I wouldn't call myself an expert but this is my life, I'm a personal trainer. Some trainers get a bad rap as just fit guys that are basically rep counters, but I love the science behind all of this. Nutrition and training.

In theory, -500 daily would put you at -3500 weekly. 3500 calories equals a pound. If you are taking 500 away in the food department and burning more calories(exercise) then you should be 1-2 lbs a week. You really don't want to lose any faster than that anyways. That said, the numbers don't work out so perfectly in the body since there are so many variables. So about -500 calories a day will yield about a pound a week of fat loss.

One other basic and free tip is drink enough water if you aren't, even if you think you get enough, drink more. If you are even the tiniest bit dehydrated fat burning in your body slows down.

Cool, I'll take a personal trainers word for it. Hopefully I get a little routine going again in the next week or so and see how that goes.

jerrod · Post #851 » by **jerrod** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 1:03 pm

my routine has died over the last month. now i don't work out at all during the week, then late saturday night around midnight, i panic that i'm too out of my shape for soccer game on sunday so i go workout. i play on sunday and monday and then it starts over again.

Mags FTW · Post #852 » by **Mags FTW** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:09 pm

I ran the Komen Run yesterday. I'm loving all of the tight pants I see at these 5Ks.

jakecronus8 · Post #853 » by **jakecronus8** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 3:52 pm

Looking for advice. I've done my own variation on the program and I am probably the most toned I've been in my life. I am however a hard gainer and would like to add another 10-15 lbs of muscle. I've tried a lot of diets and proteins. Right now I'm on isopure which seems to have helped me get the tone I've wanted but not the mass. I'm about 6'1 and have been between 155-160 since pretty much high school (8 years now, damn). Tips or tricks ?

jimmybones · Post #854 » by **jimmybones** » Mon Sep 26, 2011 4:29 pm

jakecronus8 wrote:Looking for advice. I've done my own variation on the program and I am probably the most toned I've been in my life. I am however a hard gainer and would like to add another 10-15 lbs of muscle. I've tried a lot of diets and proteins. Right now I'm on isopure which seems to have helped me get the tone I've wanted but not the mass. I'm about 6'1 and have been between 155-160 since pretty much high school (8 years now, damn). Tips or tricks ?

It's a bit of a pain int he ass but again I'd recommend counting calories. Even for a week it can really put in perspective exactly how much you've been eating.

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm

I know it sucks if you feel like you are already stuffing your face but you will gain weight with enough calories. Eggs, steak, milk, a lot of carbs.

Nebula1 · Post #855 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:22 am

I think it goes well beyond weight gain/loss and calorie intake. The decision needs to be made around total health and changing ones lifestyles.

If your goal is only to lose weight then you're missing the big picture. It's about improving total health and creating eating habits that are productive to total health. If your choice is between a soda and a glass of water, you should choose water not because of your calorie count but because it's better for your body and spirit.

One must see beyond the social normalizing of stupidity. It's stupid to drink soda or beer instead of water or eat chips, cheese and candy over fruits, vitamins and vegetables. However, the American public faces a tremendous force in the lobby groups that support making these choices normal and exceptionally available. The FDA can barely be trusted.

It's not what you're putting in your body as much as it is why you're putting it in your body.

For those limiting their alcohol consumption, congrats. Support the healthy green alternative. It's good for you.

To my Isopure homie, you can add creatine to your protein supplement and spend more time in the weight room post cardio. I'm a fan of: http://www.kre-alkalyn.com/ It's PH balanced and provides stable energy for my workout. I've been taking two prior to the gym and two post.

jimmybones · Post #856 » by **jimmybones** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 3:27 am

It's not stupid to eat/drink things you enjoy eating/drinking.

Nebula1 · Post #857 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:13 am

jimmybones wrote:It's not stupid to eat/drink things you enjoy eating/drinking.

Sure it is. Not getting caught up in getting feelings hurt, but in the sense that it is illogical. When a person engages in an action that is by choice and does harm to that person, it is illogical to engage in such an action and the repetition of such an action is therefore, stupid. People may enjoy taking meth, but that's stupid for obvious reasons. Same goes for bad foods. It's illogical to ingest a poor diet because you "enjoy it" when in fact it's doing damage to your body. You may enjoy having sex with a girl with herpes, but it's a stupid idea to do so.

Problem is overcoming the sugar lobby, insurance companies, pharmaceutical companies, meat lobby, soy bean lobby, corn subsidies, alcohol and tobacco lobbies, etc. These folks spend trillions getting people sick, obese, addicted, etc. for profit and it is normalized in advertising across the world.

Now if people would choose logical, healthy choices, these companies would respond once the profit margins showed it practical to do so. But it's still a matter of an individual making the logical choice.

MartyConlonOnTheRun · Post #858 » by **MartyConlonOnTheRun** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 1:46 pm

So you are saying that when a fattie grabs a twinkie, it is because they want to be cool and not because of millions of years of biology telling them to seek salty and sugary foods? We eat these foods because our body craves them. Your post makes it seem like a giant conspiracy theory to make us fat. There is nothing wrong with eating or drinking stuff that makes us feel good if you stay realitively healthy.

What's the point of being extremely fit and healthy when you don't live a lifestyle you enjoy?

jimmybones · Post #859 » by **jimmybones** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 4:36 pm

The only thing stupid is you comparing foods you don't deem healthy to herpes and meth. You are more brainwashed than the people you are referring to.

MartyConlonOnTheRun wrote:There is nothing wrong with eating or drinking stuff that makes us feel good if you stay realitively healthy.

This. It's not like anyone came in here proposing they go on a diet of all cheetos. If you are saying it's wrong for someone to eat a food because they like it or have a drink because they enjoy it then you are speaking to some strange moral issue here, not a health one.

Nebula1 · Post #860 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Sep 27, 2011 5:55 pm

It has nothing to do with being brainwashed or being cool. People get all offended when their lifestyle choices are challenged.

We all make stupid decisions on a regular basis every day.

In the case of food, the reason people "enjoy it" are mostly because of the physical, chemical stimulus received. Sugar, for example, works similar to opiates such as heroin or morphine. Sugar is a potentially dangerous and powerful drug and it's being consumed at record levels.

Now people can absolutely ingest food that they enjoy, but the makeup of that food may actually be doing more harm than the value created through the "enjoyment". And even a little bit of homework will reveal that corn subsidies that produce high fructose corn syrup, etc. are dangerous to society.

I'm just saying that the benefits from eating healthier foods should outweigh the enjoyment of poor foods. Water instead of beer, for example. Obviously moderation is an element, but to choose a poor food over a healthy food simply because you "like it" or "makes you feel good" is an illogical choice.