Official #2 Pick Thread - Ford #7: Parker

[buckboy]

I think Smart will be a top 5 pg in this league in the mold of how darron williams was over the last decade. I think he will be better than DW. Thats why Im so intrigued by the thought of trading down with philly and still getting one of the "guys" and packaging that 10 with Brandon knight to LA or Sac.

The only downside to that idea is that "if" we made that trade with philly and landed Parker, he and Giannis both play the 3 spot. Now im not as big on Giannis as you guys but do you have parker play 3 on defense? Many teams do it. Miami does it nearly every possession. Or do you have giannis play 4, with his length

I couldn't disagree more. If he's better than Deron Williams............well I can't even finish that sentence.

im speaking of DW under sloan. But some people arent high on Smart, But I think he will be an All star.

Yeah, I'm one of 'em. I wouldn't take him top 10, so I guess we probably don't have much to talk about.

[worthlessBucks]

Was too much sexy for the ref, got T'd up.

I could see Bogdanovic rubbing some people the wrong way.

If it's the same effect as the people who talk endlessly about Bogdanovic, I get it.

[TroyD92]

See I thought it was the opposite. He made quite a few spectacular plays and got lost a bit a bit other time. I wasn't trying to say he was bad by any stretch, but he's still young and like most has a lot of work to do on rotations and positioning.

During the first couple months your point is very true. He would lose his man on cuts and had a very difficult time getting through or around screens. But as he caught up to speed with the NBA game and realized he has the physical tools to defend at a high level, I think we saw a lot of progression toward the end of the season.

Ah I didn't watch much towards the end. That's really encouraging to here.

[Matches Malone]

Here is an interesting article on Joel Embiid that is worth a read.

http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/jo ... -cavaliers

[Badgerlander]

Consistently. I meant he's still really raw. He's obviously has all the tool to be a great defensive player, but he's got a lot to learn.

I mean not that our defense was anything to write home about this year but Giannis was statistically one of our best defenders. He may have not made a lot of defensive plays himself but I do think that a lot of teams went away from him when he was on the court, sort of similar to teams not going inside on Larry much because it's statistically a bad idea.

See I thought it was the opposite. He made quite a few spectacular plays and got lost a bit a bit other time. I wasn't trying to say he was bad by any stretch, but he's still young and like most has a lot of work to do on rotations and positioning.

The team was +7.1 pts/100pos better when he was on the court, second best to Wolters. He ranked near NBA average in points allowed per possession at 0.90 (253rd, although the same ranking as Battier, Gay, and Bosh)
http://www.bucksketball.com/2014/03/ind ... tribution/

Are Nate Wolters and O.J. Mayo the two best defenders on the team in 2013-14? Probably not. But they have made the best of the situations into which they’ve been placed. Larry Drew gives them the easier assignments out on the perimeter, and he doesn’t ask them to double and/or trap as often as he does players like Brandon Knight and Giannis Antetokounmpo. Plus Wolters and Mayo responded better than players like Gary Neal and Luke Ridnour who were put in similar situations. (In my eyes, at least.)

On the end of the spectrum, it’s not difficult to see how players like Zaza Pachulia and Larry Sanders have done a better job slowing their opponents inside than Ersan Ilyasova, Miroslav Raduljica, and Jeff Adrien. Adrien, in particular, seems like a quick and bouncy help defender, but taller opposing power forwards have far too easy a time simply shooting right over his head.

It's going to be interesting to see how opposing team scheme against us with Larry and Giannis on the floor together next year. Defense will be a lot easier if teams are going to shy away from the paint AND Giannis's side of the floor. Not saying he is a great defender or anything like that but if teams start to change their scheme because he is on the floor just like they did with Larry because of the shear number of deflections they can cause it should make things a lot easier to scheme for the other Bucks on the floor.

[Matches Malone]

Highly recommend purchasing this

http://www.basketballinsiders.com/our-2 ... lable-now/

[Bernman]

I didn't realize Gordon was such a poor FT shooter. I double checked the stats. He shot 42%.

Has there ever been any kind of star player outside of a dominant 7 footer like Shaq who had a terrible FT percentage like that?

Doesn't mean I don't like Gordon as some sort of Ron Artest/Rodman type player. He could be that and very good. But that FT % seems like a massive red flag unless someone can point me to a "Dwayne Wade" type guy who shot FT's so poorly as a freshman.

Ron Artest - that's a really interesting shout. He shot 52% from the line his freshman year, then went on to be a decent free throw and 3-point shooter in the pros. I was looking up Antawn Jamison earlier, and noticed it was almost the exact progression for him. They weren't quite as terrible as Gordon in the department, but from what I understand he too was around that level in high school at least, and he's super young, plus he showed some semblance of a 3-point shot in college unlike Jamison, so I figure if they made that sort of improvement in overall shooting it's reasonable for him to do the same. I don't think his shooting, with all the examples of non true bigs dramatically improving it, is an issue that should preclude him from being seriously considered by a team anywhere outside the top 4.

And he brings a lot to the table in other departments between his handle, court vision, elite defense with versatility, rebounding on the run especially, and b-ball i.q. Yes, I think he has good b-ball i.q. in spite of taking a shot here or there that he shoots low efficiency at. He's trying to keep the defense honest, and if you're wide open there is pressure to take the shot. If he starts hitting at a decent clip, all of a sudden he's a basketball genius, and a guy who could have #1 in a future draft.

[MrPerfect1]

I like Gordon. It is hard to go wrong with an Uber Athletic, High IQ, Hard Working, Great Defensive prospect.

If he improves his shot, he becomes an All Star. If he doesn't, he becomes a Noah type player at SF/PF

[Baddy Chuck]

Little cleo inspired me to update my top 36 (unfortunately I couldn't do my top 360). 17-20+ is a mess, especially when the Euros come into play, and I probably forgot someone somewhere.

1. Joel Embiid
2. Andrew Wiggins
3. Jabari Parker
4. Dante Exum
5. Noah Vonleh
6. Marcus Smart
7. Julius Randle
8. TJ Warren
9. Jusuf Nurkic
10. Jordan Adams
11. Nik Stauskas
12. Kyle Anderson
13. Dario Saric
14. Aaron Gordon
15. Doug McDermott
16. PJ Hairston
17. Elfrid Payton
18. Zach LaVine
19. Adreian Payne
20. Tyler Ennis
21. Gary Harris
22. James Young
23. Rodney Hood
24. KJ McDaniels
25. Semaj Christon
26. Damien Inglis
27. Clint Capela
28. CJ Wilcox
29. Mitch McGary
30. Vasilje Micic
31. Bogdan Bogdanovic
32. Kristaps Porzingis
33. Glenn Robinson
34. Jarnell Stokes
35. Jerami Grant
36. Jordan Clarkson

[Zeezprah]

Little cleo inspired me to update my top 36 (unfortunately I couldn't do my top 360). 17-20+ is a mess, especially when the Euros come into play, and I probably forgot someone somewhere.

1. Joel Embiid
2. Andrew Wiggins
3. Jabari Parker
4. Dante Exum
5. Noah Vonleh
6. Marcus Smart
7. Julius Randle
8. TJ Warren
9. Jusuf Nurkic
10. Jordan Adams
11. Nik Stauskas
12. Kyle Anderson
13. Dario Saric
14. Aaron Gordon
15. Doug McDermott
16. PJ Hairston
17. Elfrid Payton
18. Zach LaVine
19. Adreian Payne
20. Tyler Ennis
21. Gary Harris
22. James Young
23. Rodney Hood
24. KJ McDaniels
25. Semaj Christon
26. Damien Inglis
27. Clint Capela
28. CJ Wilcox
29. Mitch McGary
30. Vasilje Micic
31. Bogdan Bogdanovic
32. Kristaps Porzingis
33. Glenn Robinson
34. Jarnell Stokes
35. Jerami Grant
36. Jordan Clarkson

the difference is you actually ranked them with an assigned number, definitely a conflict of interest, both ethically and professionally.

[Baddy Chuck]

Little cleo inspired me to update my top 36 (unfortunately I couldn't do my top 360). 17-20+ is a mess, especially when the Euros come into play, and I probably forgot someone somewhere.

Spoiler:

1. Joel Embiid
__________
2. Andrew Wiggins
__________
3. Jabari Parker
4. Dante Exum
__________
5. Noah Vonleh
6. Marcus Smart
__________
7. Julius Randle
__________
8. TJ Warren
9. Jusuf Nurkic
10. Jordan Adams
__________
11. Nik Stauskas
12. Kyle Anderson
13. Dario Saric
14. Aaron Gordon
__________
15. Doug McDermott
16. PJ Hairston
17. Elfrid Payton
18. Zach LaVine
19. Adreian Payne
__________
20. Tyler Ennis
21. Gary Harris
22. James Young
23. Rodney Hood
24. KJ McDaniels
__________
25. Semaj Christon
26. Damien Inglis
27. Clint Capela
28. CJ Wilcox
__________
29. Mitch McGary
30. Vasilje Micic
31. Bogdan Bogdanovic
32. Kristaps Porzingis
33. Glenn Robinson
34. Jarnell Stokes
35. Jerami Grant
36. Jordan Clarkson

the difference is you actually ranked them with an assigned number, definitely a conflict of interest, both ethically and professionally.

Tiers would probably look something like in the spoiler.

[hands11]

Still don't see the Gordon star potential. Could see Randle before him. Or probably 10 other guys.

I was actually thinking Randle would be great for MIL.

Maybe you can trade Larry Saunder to NY for Tyson Chandler and pick Wiggins or Parker and trade them. You might be able to get someone to take on OJ Mayo as well. You don't want players like Mayo and Saunders on your team.

I like something more like...

Brandon Knight/Nate Wolters
Khris Middleton/OJ Mayo - Sessions if you are able to resign him.
Giannis Antetokounmpo/Carlos Delfino
Ersan Ilyasova/Julius Randle
Tyson Chandler/John Henson/Zaza Pachulia

I think building around something like that makes more sense then adding Wiggins or Parker

Not that I don't like Parker a lot. He would be a nice addition but at some point you need to clear the clutter and the pieces have to fit together. Its a basketball team. You already have Greek Freak and KM and BK. Let them get their thing going and then Randle replaced Ersans, Chandler leaves to clear cap and Henson steps in.

Saunder has to go. You don't want a player like that in your organization. Send him some place that does crazy well like New York.

Now if CLE is dumb enough to not pick Embiid, you gotta take him. He is going to be a beast.

[Baddy Chuck]

Brandon Knight/Nate Wolters
Khris Middleton/OJ Mayo - Sessions if you are able to resign him.
Giannis Antetokounmpo/Carlos Delfino
Ersan Ilyasova/Julius Randle
Tyson Chandler/John Henson/Zaza Pachulia

:puke:

[Zeezprah]

that saunders guy sounds like one crazy sumbitch

[TroyD92]

I think building around something like that makes more sense then adding Wiggins or Parker

Spoiler:

[ANTETOKOUNBROS]

Brandon Knight/Nate Wolters
Khris Middleton/OJ Mayo - Sessions if you are able to resign him.
Giannis Antetokounmpo/Carlos Delfino
Ersan Ilyasova/Julius Randle
Tyson Chandler/John Henson/Zaza Pachulia

:puke:

That's a very Kohl'esque depth chart, guaranteed to land the 8th seed every year for the next decade.

[buckboy]

Brandon Knight/Nate Wolters
Khris Middleton/OJ Mayo - Sessions if you are able to resign him.
Giannis Antetokounmpo/Carlos Delfino
Ersan Ilyasova/Julius Randle
Tyson Chandler/John Henson/Zaza Pachulia

:puke:

That's a very Kohl'esque depth chart, guaranteed to land the 8th seed every year for the next decade.

So, basically, in this fantasy, we're trading #2/Sanders for Chandler/Randle.

Which, correct me if I'm wrong, sucks.

[Matches Malone]

Brandon Knight/Nate Wolters
Khris Middleton/OJ Mayo - Sessions if you are able to resign him.
Giannis Antetokounmpo/Carlos Delfino
Ersan Ilyasova/Julius Randle
Tyson Chandler/John Henson/Zaza Pachulia

[hands11]

Here is an interesting article on Joel Embiid that is worth a read.

http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/jo ... -cavaliers

So here is what you do?

You don't ride him the first year and let him develop his body and game.

Guess who else was injured his first year ? Blake Griffin. He sat out the entire first year and has been a beast since.

Olajuwon played at 255
Embiid is 240

Let him get strong. Don't play him to much the first year. Then you could have a good player for a long time. CLE has Mop head who can start.

If CLE thinks the are making the playoffs next year they are fooling themselves. That team is a mess and Embiid can help give them something the can anchor to. If they want to ensure Kyrie leaves, they should draft Wiggins or Parker.

[hands11]

Brandon Knight/Nate Wolters
Khris Middleton/OJ Mayo - Sessions if you are able to resign him.
Giannis Antetokounmpo/Carlos Delfino
Ersan Ilyasova/Julius Randle
Tyson Chandler/John Henson/Zaza Pachulia

:puke:

vs what ?

They won 15 games last year and its not like there isn't any talent on the team. I had them doing much better.

The problem is, the pieces don't fit.

I would love to pluck some of MIL talent for the Wizards. I would take any of BK, Nate, Giannis, Session, Middleton or Henson. Hell, even Zaza could be a useful back up hug body center on a good team.

Its not like MIL doesn't have any talent.