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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#861 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon May 23, 2022 7:38 am

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raferfenix wrote:Hopefully the PJ Tucker fiasco is a learning moment for the franchise.

What learning moment,pj was tragic last night .

It's absolutely hilarious how some of you can convince yourself these things. But hey, some people believe in lizard people I guess. 17 on 10 shots and held the best player in the series to an abysmal night. Tragic.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#862 » by Sigra » Mon May 23, 2022 7:50 am

I was not upset when we let PJ go. I thought he is done.

I was wrong. We made mistake. Big one.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#863 » by RiotPunch » Mon May 23, 2022 9:57 am

Sigra wrote:I was not upset when we let PJ go. I thought he is done.

I was wrong. We made mistake. Big one.

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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#864 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon May 23, 2022 1:14 pm

raferfenix wrote:Hopefully the PJ Tucker fiasco is a learning moment for the franchise.

They definitely know they **** up. I bet they realized it a long time ago.
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Post#865 » by raferfenix » Mon May 23, 2022 1:21 pm

Turk Nowitzki wrote:They definitely know they **** up. I bet they realized it a long time ago.


The extent of the f*ck up is becoming clearer as the games where having someone like PJ become more and more important.

Even if the Bucks had to choose (which we didn't) between Allen / Hill and Tucker it now appears to obviously have been the wrong choice.

If Bobby ends up leaving this offseason it might have been a bad move to prioritize him vs PJ on a 2 year deal too.

We'll see whether the Bucks learned that cutting corners for financial "flexibility" is an extremely risky endeavor when trying to win a championship -- especially when it comes to proven guys who can play rotation minutes deep into the playoffs. The team has big decisions coming up about whether to pay Portis as well as Connaughton that could help clarify how serious we are on this front.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#866 » by Perseus1966 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:10 pm

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raferfenix wrote:Hopefully the PJ Tucker fiasco is a learning moment for the franchise.

What learning moment,pj was tragic last night .

It's absolutely hilarious how some of you can convince yourself these things. But hey, some people believe in lizard people I guess. 17 on 10 shots and held the best player in the series to an abysmal night. Tragic.

He held nothing, tatum was totaly open and missed all his shots.
The lay up PJ misses at the end of the game it was last years PJ every game but one.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#867 » by Baddy Chuck » Mon May 23, 2022 3:21 pm

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Perseus1966 wrote:What learning moment,pj was tragic last night .

It's absolutely hilarious how some of you can convince yourself these things. But hey, some people believe in lizard people I guess. 17 on 10 shots and held the best player in the series to an abysmal night. Tragic.

He held nothing, tatum was totaly open and missed all his shots.
The lay up PJ misses at the end of the game it was last years PJ every game but one.

It's insane how you guys just see what you want to see instead of what actually happens on the court. "Tatum was totally open and missed his shots" is a pretty tough sell when he's attempted literally 8 shots THE ENTIRE SERIES with PJ Tucker guarding him. He's getting absolutely nothing with PJ guarding him so far. He's got as many turnovers as baskets made.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#868 » by Perseus1966 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:24 pm

Sigra wrote:I was not upset when we let PJ go. I thought he is done.

I was wrong. We made mistake. Big one.

Bucks problem was that we suck in 3s not the defense.
if you need a mistake there is a name Donte .
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Post#869 » by JayMKE » Mon May 23, 2022 3:25 pm

PJ showed he had more in the tank in Miami than he did here, IDK they have some good PEDs down in South Beach but its seems pretty clear too that PJ didn't want to return even if we matched his offer. Do the Bucks advance with PJ? Maybe? They also probably advance if Khris played or if Bud made some adjustments, it was a close 7 game series. Time to move on.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#870 » by th87 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:30 pm

raferfenix wrote:
Turk Nowitzki wrote:They definitely know they **** up. I bet they realized it a long time ago.


The extent of the f*ck up is becoming clearer as the games where having someone like PJ become more and more important.

Even if the Bucks had to choose (which we didn't) between Allen / Hill and Tucker it now appears to obviously have been the wrong choice.

If Bobby ends up leaving this offseason it might have been a bad move to prioritize him vs PJ on a 2 year deal too.

We'll see whether the Bucks learned that cutting corners for financial "flexibility" is an extremely risky endeavor when trying to win a championship -- especially when it comes to proven guys who can play rotation minutes deep into the playoffs. The team has big decisions coming up about whether to pay Portis as well as Connaughton that could help clarify how serious we are on this front.


And we can bet that Giannis is watching all this closely. Billionaires/Horst are embarrassing themselves with the last few moves.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#871 » by VooDoo7 » Mon May 23, 2022 3:40 pm

JayMKE wrote:PJ showed he had more in the tank in Miami than he did here, IDK they have some good PEDs down in South Beach but its seems pretty clear too that PJ didn't want to return even if we matched his offer.

Had we made him that offer first, he'd still be a Buck.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#872 » by JayMKE » Mon May 23, 2022 3:59 pm

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JayMKE wrote:PJ showed he had more in the tank in Miami than he did here, IDK they have some good PEDs down in South Beach but its seems pretty clear too that PJ didn't want to return even if we matched his offer.

Had we made him that offer first, he'd still be a Buck.

So the issue is they weren't sensitive enough to PJ's feelings? The whole thing is a bit ridiculous especially when its put like getting Allen, Hill, and even retaining Bobby for was a mistake. Dude had a career year at 37, who anticipated that?

There are a lot better what if scenarios in my mind than that
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#873 » by Turk Nowitzki » Mon May 23, 2022 4:23 pm

JayMKE wrote:PJ showed he had more in the tank in Miami than he did here, IDK they have some good PEDs down in South Beach but its seems pretty clear too that PJ didn't want to return even if we matched his offer. Do the Bucks advance with PJ? Maybe? They also probably advance if Khris played or if Bud made some adjustments, it was a close 7 game series. Time to move on.

Sorry if it's tough to move on when the player in question is playing a key role in the success of a team still playing against the team that just knocked us out. In fact i'd say this is exactly a situation where it's ok not to move on just yet.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#874 » by RogerMurdock » Mon May 23, 2022 4:46 pm

Ok, new topic: PJ Tucker
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#875 » by Bucksfan28 » Mon May 23, 2022 4:48 pm

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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#876 » by paulpressey25 » Mon May 23, 2022 4:54 pm

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Sigra wrote:I was not upset when we let PJ go. I thought he is done.

I was wrong. We made mistake. Big one.

Bucks problem was that we suck in 3s not the defense.
if you need a mistake there is a name Donte .


But, because we didn't re-sign PJ, it forced us to trade Donte for Ibaka.

Keep PJ, and you likely get to keep Donte. And with that, we're playing the Heat tonight.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#877 » by paulpressey25 » Mon May 23, 2022 4:56 pm

th87 wrote:And we can bet that Giannis is watching all this closely. Billionaires/Horst are embarrassing themselves with the last few moves.


Horst has done a fantastic job. But for the past four years the title has been won (or lost) by moves made by teams at the trade deadline. Horst (and Bud and Lasry) just didn't make good moves this past year, now that we have the season in hindsight.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#878 » by Prez » Mon May 23, 2022 4:58 pm

Idk how in depth critical Giannis gets with this front office stuff. I wouldn’t be surprised if he’s just chilling right now, not really watching any of the games, and just blames himself and Khris being out for the series turning out the way it did.

That said, they definitely **** up with PJ and if they lose Bobby too with no viable replacement, then I’d be concerned.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#879 » by Licensed to Il » Mon May 23, 2022 5:00 pm

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th87 wrote:And we can bet that Giannis is watching all this closely. Billionaires/Horst are embarrassing themselves with the last few moves.


Horst has done a fantastic job. But for the past four years the title has been won (or lost) by moves made by teams at the trade deadline. Horst (and Bud and Lasry) just didn't make good moves this past year, now that we have the season in hindsight.


Other than adding Grayson (a move that I like considering fit and acquisition cost) you would probably have to go back to PJ Tucker at the 21 trade deadline to highlight a good move that Horst made. I'm not trashing the guy, he brought us a title, but you can't go 14 months in a row with only one solid move and expect to win a title.
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Re: ATL - Suns Implode 

Post#880 » by Perseus1966 » Mon May 23, 2022 5:12 pm

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Baddy Chuck wrote:It's absolutely hilarious how some of you can convince yourself these things. But hey, some people believe in lizard people I guess. 17 on 10 shots and held the best player in the series to an abysmal night. Tragic.

He held nothing, tatum was totaly open and missed all his shots.
The lay up PJ misses at the end of the game it was last years PJ every game but one.

It's insane how you guys just see what you want to see instead of what actually happens on the court. "Tatum was totally open and missed his shots" is a pretty tough sell when he's attempted literally 8 shots THE ENTIRE SERIES with PJ Tucker guarding him. He's getting absolutely nothing with PJ guarding him so far. He's got as many turnovers as baskets made.

Tatum in 1st q lost a 3ft floater against struss (you know the kind he gets 10/10 against bucks)
Lost a 2ft floater whn pj guarded him
he had a turnover where butker stole the ball
Boston missed 3 lay ups (grant ,white Al !!! all 3 were totally free )
White socre 3 pts in 2 games ,the same white who had 9 11 9 with 90 % efficiency .
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