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[fansinceforever]

I’d be surprised if any of this is true to be honest. I think there are likely a decent number of teams that would like Brook or Bobby and at least a few that would gladly take Pat.


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Lol the question isn't whether we can trade them. Of course we can. Do they return the type of talent that can actually improve the roster?

Trading Bobby for an equal player who plays SG would be a huge upgrade for us. The SG could start, and be part of our closing lineup. It also allows us to get an actual center to play backup center.

Better yet is dealing Bobby and 23 in a multi team deal for that SG.

Bobby has so much more value to a team that can play him 32 minutes a night at PF.

100% but the team that Bobby goes to has to 1) be in win now mode most likely 2) be strong enough defensively around Bobby to hide his deficiencies and value his offense enough to sacrifice.

We've been spitballing for a month now and I haven't really seen any realistic Brook and Bobby deals that bring in the type of SG you're talking about. I haven't been able to come up with one either.

[paulpressey25]

Bobby is very valuable to a Herb Kohl type team that needs someone who can produce instant stats. He’s a more polished version of Drew Gooden, with Bobby benefitting from the new league that values spacing and three point shooting (which Bobby can do).

For us, at $10 million a year, he’s super valuable as a minutes eater. And if he didn’t punch Mirotic those many years ago, he’s probably a guy averaging 20/10 for a 30-win Charlotte team and being paid Jerami Grant money.

I’d actually not deal him unless the return is Caruso.

[giannis and 1]

Bucks get:
Suggs
WCJ

Rockets get:
Connaughton

Magic get:
Portis
MJB
2024 #33
2026 2nd via Rockets

Did I cook?

[ShootingtheJ]

If Orlando can acquire a playmaking PG, they'd likely deal Suggs. Suggs wants a rookie max extension, and Orlando would likely be hesitant to do that with their other rookie max extensions on the horizon.

[Bernman]

And just because you believe the opposite doesn't make it true. A late lotto is this draft means nothing though and I don't get excited about Grant Williams.

My point is that Horst may not get back the value that he thinks our current players bring to our roster.

Difference is it's not just me saying it. It was reporting from last yr & Bobby's been one of the finalists for 6th MOY the last few yrs, while having only the 134th biggest salary in the NBA. That demonstrates value.

The Bucks turned down Grant Williams & at a time when Bobby's value was lower from being a funk. He finished the season strong, as 1 of the most reliable Bucks down the stretch. Had a # of big games on nat'l TV. As if plenty of teams can't use that.

I'd kill for a late lotto pick & another shot at landing a core player when Dame & Midds age out. If we're not going to deal either, that has to be the backup plan. Gimme Holmes as Bobby's replacement, and another shot at 23 (Shannon).

[giannis and 1]

And just because you believe the opposite doesn't make it true. A late lotto is this draft means nothing though and I don't get excited about Grant Williams.

My point is that Horst may not get back the value that he thinks our current players bring to our roster.

Difference is it's not just me saying it. It was reporting from last yr & Bobby's been one of the finalists for 6th MOY the last few yrs, while having only the 134th biggest salary in the NBA. That demonstrates value.

The Bucks turned down Grant Williams & at a time when Bobby's value was lower from being a funk. He finished the season strong, as 1 of the most reliable Bucks down the stretch. Had a # of big games on nat'l TV. As if plenty of teams can't use that.

I'd kill for a late lotto pick & another shot at landing a core player when Dame & Midds age out. If we're not going to deal either, that has to be the backup plan. Gimme Holmes as Bobby's replacement, and another shot at 23 (Shannon).

The offer was actually Grant Williams and draft compensation IIRC.

[Bernman]

The 6th man rankings is a straight-fw way to evaluate Bobby's comparative value. Bobby finished higher than Norman Powell & Bogdan. Bobby's significantly younger & cheaper. Many would be keen on both their acquisitions.

Powell could be a decent fit next to Dame. The Clippers could use a quality, proven big. What about:

Bucks trade: Bobby, Pat
Bucks receive: Powell, '30 top 10 protected pick, (save a few million for apron purposes)

Or we could bring in a 3rd team to get a mid to later 1st this yr. Clippers gave their own away for many yrs like us.

[ShootingtheJ]

Bucks get:
Suggs
WCJ

Rockets get:
Connaughton

Magic get:
Portis
MJB
2024 #33
2026 2nd via Rockets

Did I cook?

Find a team that needs Portis. Memphis? GS? Magic are loaded at PF. WCJ is a great fit here, but only if we deal Brook.

I'd guess the Magic only deal Suggs if they get playmaking PG. Murray?

[ReasonablySober]

No one cares that Bobby was runner up for the award given to the guy with the best stats off the bench. It means nothing in terms of his impact on the court.

[ShootingtheJ]

No one cares that Bobby was runner up for the award given to the guy with the best stats off the bench. It means nothing in terms of his impact on the court.

I'd agree, but Memphis sure overpaid for Marcus Smart and his DPOY award that he got that he shouldn't have finished in the top 30 for.

The awards are from the writers, not the execs. However, the spot on Team USA was from the execs.

[paulpressey25]

No one cares that Bobby was runner up for the award given to the guy with the best stats off the bench. It means nothing in terms of his impact on the court.

Correct.This is why you constantly hear of teams trying to pry Caruso away from the Bulls, and don't hear the same demand for Bobby.

[fansinceforever]

I don't think Bobby has no impact but he's never had the impact on winning that prime Smart had.

[Bernman]

No one cares that Bobby was runner up for the award given to the guy with the best stats off the bench. It means nothing in terms of his impact on the court.

Yes, it is. Naz Reid wasn't the biggest stat-getter this yr. It's a measure of how good you are, as a 6th man. In that role, he was rated better than a couple guys who'd garner some respect around here cuz grass is greener & we have more of a need for them.

Teams care about adding roughly equal players they have more need for to boot. That's a 2-way street.

There's a lot of confirmation bias cuz Bobby's been here 4 yrs & some of his flaws have had a chance to annoy us. Believe it or not players on other teams in 6th man/rotational roles annoy them too. Otherwise they'd be stars or at least surefire starters.

[Bernman]

Correct.This is why you constantly hear of teams trying to pry Caruso away from the Bulls, and don't hear the same demand for Bobby.

Incorrect, Caruso's been a starter the last couple of yrs. It's apples to oranges. Wasn't the suggestion.

Beyond that, how much were the Bucks, as contenders, interested in trading win now guys, as opposed to the treadmill Bulls. Not to mention the Bucks have incentive to be loyal to Bobby because he signed the discount deal.

[yb90]

No one cares that Bobby was runner up for the award given to the guy with the best stats off the bench. It means nothing in terms of his impact on the court.

Correct.This is why you constantly hear of teams trying to pry Caruso away from the Bulls, and don't hear the same demand for Bobby.

Different situation, Bulls are a bad team going nowhere so you will hear a lot of rumors. Bobby is on a win now team and playing a major role so the leaks of a trade will be few and far between.

[ShootingtheJ]

I don't think Bobby has no impact but he's never had the impact on winning that prime Smart had.

Impact on winning? Celtics were better with Smart off than on for years, despite him running with their starters.

[giannis and 1]

Bucks get:
Suggs
WCJ

Rockets get:
Connaughton

Magic get:
Portis
MJB
2024 #33
2026 2nd via Rockets

Did I cook?

Find a team that needs Portis. Memphis? GS? Magic are loaded at PF. WCJ is a great fit here, but only if we deal Brook.

I'd guess the Magic only deal Suggs if they get playmaking PG. Murray?

Thunder get:
Brook

Bucks get:
WCJ
Suggs

Magic get:
Dejounte Murray
MJB
2024 #33 from Bucks

Hawks get:
Cole Anthony
2024 #12 from OKC

[yb90]

Why do posters think Orlando would get rid of their just turned 23 y/o SG who was their premiere defender that shot nearly 40% from 3 on 5 attempts per game? If he keeps improving he is going to develop quicker than Derrick White. If White shot as well as Suggs had I doubt he would've been traded.

[emunney]

Think Suggs might have been gettable with an overpay a year ago. I think he's firmly a part of their core now. I'd take him over Wagner.

[LuessiT]

Think Suggs might have been gettable with an overpay a year ago. I think he's firmly a part of their core now. I'd take him over Wagner.

Everyone loves Suggs now until he asks for 30+ million per year. Taking him over Wagner would be insane.