Bucks News, Trade Ideas, Transactions - PatBev: AJJ has "bright future"

[ReasonablySober]

Keldon Johnson is nothing more than a backup to Middleton and a situational rotational player in Milwaukee. You can’t trade Brook Lopez for a player that can only fill those 2 roles when Brooks role is as valuable as it already is.

Brook needs traded for someone that can handle duties in the playoffs playing D against the elite guards and wings we gotta play.

Trade Khris for that defense. Johnson would give the Bucks the 12-15 points a night needed in the playoffs that Middleton provides, but for half the cost.

When in the hell did Khris ever score only 12-15 points in a playoff game?

[Baddy Chuck]

If I'm getting Keldon Johnson, Bruce Brown and DJJ or something for Brook and Midds to get defense around Dame and Giannis I'm not exactly sure you're selling me hard. Guess it depends what type of players we're talking about.

[Ruben Quevedo]

Lowe's not completely wrong, but at the same time, all these talking heads love to immediately pivot to the new shiny thing. Not really seeing how these moves put the Knicks and Sixers firmly ahead of us. All this talk about us having to pray that our stars are healthy come playoff time or we're screwed (duh), but guess who also got decimated by injuries and couldn't make it through two rounds of playoff basketball? Oh right, the Knicks. Guess who's literally never healthy come playoff time? Oh right, Embiid....

They are not firmly ahead us, but neither are they firmly behind us as most people would have said going into last season. Assuming health I'd say we're in the same tier with Boston a level above.

In a 7 game series I’d take Boston in a heartbeat. We don’t even have a legitimate starter at the 2 spot. Our bench is Bobby and a pile of maybes.

I worded that poorly. Boston is in their own tier. Philly, New York, and Milwaukee in the next tier.

Going into last season I think most people thought it was us and Boston in the top tier. So it’s fair to say we have lost ground to our rivals.

[ReasonablySober]

The leading scorers in the playoffs for the Celtics scored:

25.0 ppg
23.9 ppg
16.7 ppg
13.2 ppg

Do you think we live in a world where Giannis only scores 25 ppg in the NBA playoffs?

If anything, the third option would score even less. Look to Dallas, where the leading scorers were:

28.9 ppg
22.1 ppg
13.0 ppg

Middleton's scoring is all he's good for, and on a contending team it's absolutely not needed.

[raferfenix]

If Middleton is being quietly shopped it sure seems like we’d be talking to Golden State.

Golden State has tried to maximize its optionality this summer by chasing the biggest fish who are feasibly available for the taking. First, the Warriors moved back Chris Paul’s guarantee date to try and find a trade of his $30 million expiring salary. The Warriors tried to negotiate a trade for Paul George with the Clippers, sources said, before the All-Star wing opted out of his contract to test free agency and ultimately join Philadelphia. Golden State now remains one of the few teams most connected to a pursuit of acquiring Markkanen from Utah, according to league personnel.

https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-free-agency-2024-the-market-impact-of-klay-thompsons-move-to-dallas-211356528.html

[JonHeist]

The leading scorers in the playoffs for the Celtics scored:

25.0 ppg
23.9 ppg
16.7 ppg
13.2 ppg

Do you think we live in a world where Giannis only scores 25 ppg in the NBA playoffs?

If anything, the third option would score even less. Look to Dallas, where the leading scorers were:

28.9 ppg
22.1 ppg
13.0 ppg

Middleton's scoring is all he's good for, and on a contending team it's absolutely not needed.

you're becoming david dunn

the main reason why khris is such a good fit is because he can very easily put up 18-22 PPG as a 3rd option without interrupting the flow of the offence *if he's healthy*


as long as this roster is healthy it can beat anyone -- the health is the big question, but I'd rather that be the question than talent, which would become the big question if we trade khris (or brook) for pennies on the dollar -- as many people here seem to want to

[Baddy Chuck]

Middleton's scoring is all he's good for, and on a contending team it's absolutely not needed.

In the sense that he's a legitimate go to scorer who a dude like Giannis, and even Dame in his few games, have went to and relied upon for the Milwaukee Bucks to get a bucket which on a contending team is absolutely needed, I agree. In the sense that he's 15-18 like Tobias Harris or Keldon Johnson, I do not.

[buckboy]

A 24 year old scorer that is locked into a contract that decreases to 17.5m over his final 2 yrs should be welcomed.

Keldon Johnson is nothing more than a backup to Middleton and a situational rotational player in Milwaukee. You can’t trade Brook Lopez for a player that can only fill those 2 roles when Brooks role is as valuable as it already is.

Brook needs traded for someone that can handle duties in the playoffs playing D against the elite guards and wings we gotta play.

Trade Khris for that defense. Johnson would give the Bucks the 12-15 points a night needed in the playoffs that Middleton provides, but for half the cost.

I think Johnson kinda sucks personally.

[JonHeist]

Keldon Johnson is nothing more than a backup to Middleton and a situational rotational player in Milwaukee. You can’t trade Brook Lopez for a player that can only fill those 2 roles when Brooks role is as valuable as it already is.

Brook needs traded for someone that can handle duties in the playoffs playing D against the elite guards and wings we gotta play.

Trade Khris for that defense. Johnson would give the Bucks the 12-15 points a night needed in the playoffs that Middleton provides, but for half the cost.

I think Johnson kinda sucks personally.

the only way he makes us better next year than Khris, is if he's healthy and Khris is hurt

[ShootingtheJ]

The leading scorers in the playoffs for the Celtics scored:

25.0 ppg
23.9 ppg
16.7 ppg
13.2 ppg

Do you think we live in a world where Giannis only scores 25 ppg in the NBA playoffs?

If anything, the third option would score even less. Look to Dallas, where the leading scorers were:

28.9 ppg
22.1 ppg
13.0 ppg

Middleton's scoring is all he's good for, and on a contending team it's absolutely not needed.

Middleton is significantly better than Johnson as a playmaker, rebounder, and defender.

Also, Johnson is far less efficient than Middleton as a scorer, so if he gets the same number of shots as Mids, he scores less. Did you do the math on that?

[buckboy]

Trade Khris for that defense. Johnson would give the Bucks the 12-15 points a night needed in the playoffs that Middleton provides, but for half the cost.

I think Johnson kinda sucks personally.

the only way he makes us better next year than Khris, is if he's healthy and Khris is hurt

Pretty much.

[ReasonablySober]

The leading scorers in the playoffs for the Celtics scored:

25.0 ppg
23.9 ppg
16.7 ppg
13.2 ppg

Do you think we live in a world where Giannis only scores 25 ppg in the NBA playoffs?

If anything, the third option would score even less. Look to Dallas, where the leading scorers were:

28.9 ppg
22.1 ppg
13.0 ppg

Middleton's scoring is all he's good for, and on a contending team it's absolutely not needed.

you're becoming david dunn

the main reason why khris is such a good fit is because he can very easily put up 18-22 PPG as a 3rd option without interrupting the flow of the offence *if he's healthy*

Not if Giannis and Dame are healthy and playing. There's no chance he hell he's averaging that amount.

And the difference between me and DD is that I know Khris is still very good. I'm not saying this as a slight on Khris. If he was still a second option I don't doubt he'd score a very efficient 22 points a night.

But that's not the team the Bucks have. He's a third option who, at most, will score in the mid-teens. It's just simple math and the entire history of the league. The question is whether Khris is more valuable as a third option scoring 15 a night, or as a trade piece that can bring back significant value where the Bucks don't have it.

[theFireBlanket]

The leading scorers in the playoffs for the Celtics scored:

25.0 ppg
23.9 ppg
16.7 ppg
13.2 ppg

Do you think we live in a world where Giannis only scores 25 ppg in the NBA playoffs?

If anything, the third option would score even less. Look to Dallas, where the leading scorers were:

28.9 ppg
22.1 ppg
13.0 ppg

Middleton's scoring is all he's good for, and on a contending team it's absolutely not needed.

Middleton is significantly better than Johnson as a playmaker, rebounder, and defender.

Also, Johnson is far less efficient than Middleton as a scorer, so if he gets the same number of shots as Mids, he scores less. Did you do the math on that?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kobe-bryant-and-shaq-2001-playoffs-stats

Dame & Giannis will be Kobe & Shaq in the 2025 playoffs. And Khris will go off as well.

[ReasonablySober]

Guys I barely know anything about Johnson other than he can get buckets. Not the point.

[Rockmaninoff]

Keldon Johnson is best at PF, bad at defense, and a black hole on offense. I'm implying that he sucks. Not interested.

[ReasonablySober]

The leading scorers in the playoffs for the Celtics scored:

25.0 ppg
23.9 ppg
16.7 ppg
13.2 ppg

Do you think we live in a world where Giannis only scores 25 ppg in the NBA playoffs?

If anything, the third option would score even less. Look to Dallas, where the leading scorers were:

28.9 ppg
22.1 ppg
13.0 ppg

Middleton's scoring is all he's good for, and on a contending team it's absolutely not needed.

Middleton is significantly better than Johnson as a playmaker, rebounder, and defender.

Also, Johnson is far less efficient than Middleton as a scorer, so if he gets the same number of shots as Mids, he scores less. Did you do the math on that?

https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/kobe-bryant-and-shaq-2001-playoffs-stats

Dame & Giannis will be Kobe & Shaq in the 2025 playoffs. And Khris will go off as well.

Third leading scorer on those Laker teams in the playoffs:

Glen Rice: 12.4 ('01)
Derek Fisher: 13.4 ('02)
Derek Fisher: 10.2 ('03)

^^^^ THAT'S THE POINT ^^^^^

[MiltownMadness]

If you don't know anything about the dude then you probably shouldn't be telling everyone it's a good idea to trade Khris for him! I'm kinda confused of your angle. Basketball is about getting buckets, which becomes more difficult in the playoffs. Johnson is not even a guy I'd want starting on my team. 90% of the league can get 12 PPG if you force feed them bad shots, Khris doesn't take bad shots

And whats up with the blatant lie about what Khris would provide in a series? 12-15 is so underhanded and you know that, you could just say 15-18 and it wouldn't be an issue, but you want to be blatantly dishonest

[Baddy Chuck]

Personally, I don't think you lower the ceiling to raise the floor regarding gunning for a championship.

[ReasonablySober]

If you don't know anything about the dude then you probably shouldn't be telling everyone it's a good idea to trade Khris for him! I'm kinda confused of your angle. Basketball is about getting buckets, which becomes more difficult in the playoffs. Johnson is not even a guy I'd want starting on my team. 90% of the league can get 12 PPG if you force feed them bad shots, Khris doesn't take bad shots

I was literally only using him as an example of a guy who could probably get you 15 a night as a third option in the playoffs. I think there might be 100 guys who could do the same thing. A lot of them don't make $34 million a year.

Again, Johnson isn't the point. I'm really confused how you guys aren't following the very simple concept here that third options don't score 20 points per game in the playoffs. Maybe if this was the '03 Pistons the scoring averages would be closer? But that team didn't have two of the literal best scorers in league history.

[MiltownMadness]

If you don't know anything about the dude then you probably shouldn't be telling everyone it's a good idea to trade Khris for him! I'm kinda confused of your angle. Basketball is about getting buckets, which becomes more difficult in the playoffs. Johnson is not even a guy I'd want starting on my team. 90% of the league can get 12 PPG if you force feed them bad shots, Khris doesn't take bad shots

I was literally only using him as an example of a guy who could probably get you 15 a night as a third option in the playoffs. I think there might be 100 guys who could do the same thing. A lot of them don't make $34 million a year.

Again, Johnson isn't the point. I'm really confused how you guys aren't following the very simple concept here that third options don't score 20 points per game in the playoffs. Maybe if this was the '03 Pistons the scoring averages would be closer? But that team didn't have two of the literal best scorers in league history.

You'd just be mad at yourself for breaking a dollar into quarters when Giannis is running into a wall in the playoffs and Dame is clanking 40 footers no such thing as too many options

People know Johnson isn't your endgame, we see many Khris ideas from you weekly for months now. It's just that they never make us better