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[ShootingtheJ]

Is a sign and trade for Giddey legal, maybe in a 3 teamer? He's like the only player out there that simultaneously solves both the hole at forward and primary ball handler. I'd happily part with the 31 pick, 32 swap. The Bulls are a dumb franchise.

Giddey creates new problems with his shooting and defensive deficiencies. Massive playoff choker too.

[machu46]

Is a sign and trade for Giddey legal, maybe in a 3 teamer? He's like the only player out there that simultaneously solves both the hole at forward and primary ball handler. I'd happily part with the 31 pick, 32 swap. The Bulls are a dumb franchise.

Giddey creates new problems with his shooting and defensive deficiencies. Massive playoff choker too.

I'm not a Giddey fan so I won't bother to make the argument that we should actually pursue him, but it feels extremely harsh to pencil a young kid in as a playoff choker after exactly one postseason in his career at the age of 21 in which he was good for one series and bad for one series.

The one bad series really just boiled down to the fact that he isn't a good shooter and Dallas essentially ignored him in the halfcourt like teams have done to a lot of poor shooters. Will that improve? I'm skeptical but he did shoot it well this season.

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[c00lhand208]

Is a sign and trade for Giddey legal, maybe in a 3 teamer? He's like the only player out there that simultaneously solves both the hole at forward and primary ball handler. I'd happily part with the 31 pick, 32 swap. The Bulls are a dumb franchise.

Giddey creates new problems with his shooting and defensive deficiencies. Massive playoff choker too.

His shooting has improved every season and reached extremely good levels down the stretch last season. I don’t think his shooting is such a concern that he isn’t considered a fit. And his wing defense has steadily improved too with added strength; plus, his perimeter D has always been solid enough too. Dude’s only 22 and has consistently improved his game every season and his playmaking would be incredibly welcomed on this team. IMO, he’s one of the most ideal targets for the Bucks. Definitely worth the ‘31 1st.

[Shaffty]

kuzma for derozen would be a good deal. derozen is basically if khris came back super healthy and just balling but with a 3pt slump. i think you can experiment with that

this is insanely insulting to khris middleton.

Derozan is bad

[ShootingtheJ]

Is a sign and trade for Giddey legal, maybe in a 3 teamer? He's like the only player out there that simultaneously solves both the hole at forward and primary ball handler. I'd happily part with the 31 pick, 32 swap. The Bulls are a dumb franchise.

Giddey creates new problems with his shooting and defensive deficiencies. Massive playoff choker too.

His shooting has improved every season and reached extremely good levels down the stretch last season. I don’t think his shooting is such a concern that he isn’t considered a fit. And his wing defense has steadily improved too with added strength; plus, his perimeter D has always been solid enough too. Dude’s only 22 and has consistently improved his game every season and his playmaking would be incredibly welcomed on this team. IMO, he’s one of the most ideal targets for the Bucks. Definitely worth the ‘31 1st.

He's still unguarded with a slow release. That won't work one bit in the playoffs

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

kuzma for derozen would be a good deal. derozen is basically if khris came back super healthy and just balling but with a 3pt slump. i think you can experiment with that

this is insanely insulting to khris middleton.

Derozan is bad

when he was considered a star i would agree by that standard.

but now? as a rotation guy? come on now.....compared to kuzma or a aging khris then by what metric is he bad?

id argue that the idea we put all our hopes into kpj and ride his jock because were so desperate for a #2 scorer and then out of the other side of our mouths would talk **** about derozen being here is literally insane to me

[drew881]

Is a sign and trade for Giddey legal, maybe in a 3 teamer? He's like the only player out there that simultaneously solves both the hole at forward and primary ball handler. I'd happily part with the 31 pick, 32 swap. The Bulls are a dumb franchise.

Giddey creates new problems with his shooting and defensive deficiencies. Massive playoff choker too.

His shooting has improved every season and reached extremely good levels down the stretch last season. I don’t think his shooting is such a concern that he isn’t considered a fit. And his wing defense has steadily improved too with added strength; plus, his perimeter D has always been solid enough too. Dude’s only 22 and has consistently improved his game every season and his playmaking would be incredibly welcomed on this team. IMO, he’s one of the most ideal targets for the Bucks. Definitely worth the ‘31 1st.

You aren’t getting Giddey for Kuzma and the 2031 1st. I wish we could, but not happening. Even if he is far from perfect, Derozan is a much more reasonable option. But I don’t think SAC is trading him straight up.

[paulpressey25]

Recall last June some dope on here suggested calling up OKC to swap Middleton for Giddey. Have OKC use some cap space to take on Khris.

[Daver]

I dont kniw much about DD since his bull days but whdn he was there i thought ge put up some pretty good numbers n was very effecient doing so.So please tell me what about tbis guys game doesnt this board like to have him be our starting SF.Hes a 18/5/5 stat line per game.He says he csn absolutely shoot more 3s if needed and his D is average.
How can ge not be alot better thsn kuzma

[Rockmaninoff]

What about something with the Bulls like:

Kuzma/Young Player X (AJax or Smith or both)
for
Kevin Huerter/Jevon Carter

Seems realistic.

[Rockmaninoff]

I dont kniw much about DD since his bull days but whdn he was there i thought ge put up some pretty good numbers n was very effecient doing so.So please tell me what about tbis guys game doesnt this board like to have him be our starting SF.Hes a 18/5/5 stat line per game.He says he csn absolutely shoot more 3s if needed and his D is average.
How can ge not be alot better thsn kuzma

DeRozan is a 6 time All-Star that plays the majority of every season.

He's not thought of highly because he doesn't shoot or make a lot of threes.

He's absolutely better than Kuzma, but he's also 36 and could be falling off the cliff soon. That's also why a hypothetical trade should be straight up without the Bucks adding sweetener.

[Rstuedes24]

Mentioned it before, wouldn't mind getting Derozan in a Kuzma deal but the hope would be that we could get another guy along in that deal

But even just swapping the 2, Derozan is only partially guaranteed next year which could mean he could quickly turn into an asset to a team wanting to save $, and would be in an offseason where we would have even more draft capital to send out for a star

[ShootingtheJ]

Giddey has zero ability to play off ball. He might be an even worse fit next to Giannis than Dame

[Bernman]

So…. we are more talking Wiggins when the heat don’t want Kuzma and we have no other way to trade for him. But not discussing SAC who have multiple guys we would prefer to Kuzma and actually might want him? Got it. It is booze time CST so I’ll wait til the morning to discuss kuzma for monk or a more stretched deal getting Murray for a 32 pick swap or what not. Good night friends!

You’re delusional for thinking 1) that the Kings want Kuzma. Their old GM maybe, but he was fired and their new GM prioritizes defense, and 2) That you could somehow acquire Keegan for Kuzma and a ‘31 1st or a ‘32 swap. Kings wouldn’t include Keegan in a trade for Siakam, Markkanen, or Kuminga, but somehow they’d include for Kuzma? That’s crazy. Any trade for Keegan for require a drastic overpay of which the Bucks can’t make. They also can’t get Keon or anyone else the Kings value. The minuscule hope you’re holding on to wasn’t a report from a local Kings reporter or a national reporter, but rather a random thought from an NBA analyst on what the Kings could potentially consider and still it would be DeRozan or Monk going to Milwaukee with Kuzma and draft compensation coming back to Sacramento.

You're crazy delusional if you think you're getting even more than 2 projected top 10 picks for a guy who can't create his shot much, & is known for 3 pt shooting, but hit 35% of them the last 2 yrs.

[JayMKE]

Derozan just is not worth that pick no matter what, he’s a guy who should be closer to being a buyout candidate on vet min than someone you give up a premium asset for. Of course Giddey is a better option in that scenario, he’s not 36 years old and incapable of shooting from deep. Of course in a vacuum I’d take him over Kuzma but not for 31 first

[ReddRum]

Giddey creates new problems with his shooting and defensive deficiencies. Massive playoff choker too.

His shooting has improved every season and reached extremely good levels down the stretch last season. I don’t think his shooting is such a concern that he isn’t considered a fit. And his wing defense has steadily improved too with added strength; plus, his perimeter D has always been solid enough too. Dude’s only 22 and has consistently improved his game every season and his playmaking would be incredibly welcomed on this team. IMO, he’s one of the most ideal targets for the Bucks. Definitely worth the ‘31 1st.

You aren’t getting Giddey for Kuzma and the 2031 1st. I wish we could, but not happening. Even if he is far from perfect, Derozan is a much more reasonable option. But I don’t think SAC is trading him straight up.

So what do you think it would take to get Giddey then ?

[engelmartin]

Hopefully Horst can come out of left field with a trade no one is anticipating, like he usually does. The ones we’re talking about here aren’t very enticing other than the fact Kuzma would be gone.

[raferfenix]

I mean…not like the Sacramento Bee’s Jason Anderson threw cold water on the Kuzma concept:

A top NBA analyst believes the Sacramento Kings could look elsewhere if they aren’t able to make a trade for Golden State Warriors forward Jonathan Kuminga.

The Athletic’s Sam Vecenie and Bryce Simon came up with an alternative solution while discussing the situation on the “Game Theory Podcast.” Vecenie suggested Kings general manager Scott Perry could pivot to Kyle Kuzma, a player the Kings have pursued in the past, if the Warriors continue to stonewall their effort to acquire Kuminga.

Monk is not known to be a part of trade talks for Kuminga, but that doesn’t change Vecenie’s point that the Kings could put pressure on the Warriors by pivoting to another trade target.

League sources told The Sacramento Bee the Kings have proposed a package that would send Carter, Dario Saric and two second-round draft picks to the Warriors in a sign-and-trade deal for Kuminga. The Warriors, who are seeking a good young player and a first-round pick, balked at that proposal.

One source told The Bee the Warriors couldn’t absorb Monk’s $18.8 million contract, even if they wanted to. Golden State is projected to be well over the $187.9 million luxury tax line and hard-capped at the $195.9 million first apron.

The Kings appear to be willing to move Monk for the right return. They want to add frontcourt length, athleticism and depth while alleviating a logjam in a backcourt that features Dennis Schroder, Zach LaVine, Monk, Keon Ellis, rookie Nique Clifford, Carter and Terence Davis.

Kuzma, 29, has two years remaining on a four-year, $90 million contract. He is owed $22.4 million this season and $20.3 million in 2026-27. The 6-foot-9, 221-pound forward is an eight-year NBA veteran who played for the Los Angeles Lakers and Washington Wizards before being traded to Milwaukee last season

Sacramento has been linked to Kuzma a number of times in recent years. The Kings were on the verge of a deal that would have sent Buddy Hield to Los Angeles for Kuzma, Montrezl Harrell and Kentavious Caldwell-Pope in the summer of 2021, but the Lakers abruptly backed out to trade for Russell Westbrook instead.

https://amp.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/article310439550.html

[Matches Malone]

I think Giddey is a good player, but like Shootingthej said, he's not much of an off-ball player. His best play comes when he's handling the ball and making plays for his teammates or attacking downhill. Sure, he can knock down an occasional 3 if you give him time to spot up, but he's not going to be navigating around screens having defenders chase him or finding pockets of space to shoot 3's for Giannis to find him.

[soxperry]

Unfortunately, based on Horst past trades I think it will be another overpay for a player. Horst just gave up two 2nd rounders to dump Pat. That should've been Pat and Cash for Micic. The good GMs dump Pat with one 2nd rd pick w/o any returning salary just like most GMs would've dump Midds without giving up A.J.

A trade maybe coming using Kuzma but given Horst’s history it's likely going to give up a 1st for Derozan, Monk, or Barrett. Those players do not deserve a 1st rd pick. You give up a 1st for Colby White, Austin Reaves, Toumani Camara, and Trey Murphy.

We had to do that specific Pat trade in order to make room for Turner. In the end, we shed 7.4m for two seconds with time and leverage going against us.

Personally im pretty happy w that