Trade Targets (postcript on yesterday-other teams)

Nebula1 · Post #881 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:30 pm

Douggystyle29 wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:McCollum looked good tonight. Bucks should trade Henson and Wolters for mMcCollum and Barton.

I agree. Those are the kind of moves we need to keep climbing the latter. Realistic and probably good for both teams.

Eventually McCollum is going to need more time and Lillard is obviously not going anywhere. I really like the idea of him in a Bucks jersey and working with Brandon Knight.

Dimitraa · Post #882 » by **Dimitraa** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:31 pm

Knight's defence is not so great. It's passable.

Badgerlander · Post #883 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:32 pm

Nebula1 wrote:McCollum looked good tonight. Bucks should trade Henson and Wolters for mMcCollum and Barton.

Love McCollum. Henson for McCollum straight up would be awesome. Haven't seen anything out of Barton that intrigues me.

Dimitraa · Post #884 » by **Dimitraa** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:33 pm

Nebula1 wrote:
Douggystyle29 wrote:
Nebula1 wrote:McCollum looked good tonight. Bucks should trade Henson and Wolters for mMcCollum and Barton.

I agree. Those are the kind of moves we need to keep climbing the latter. Realistic and probably good for both teams.

Eventually McCollum is going to need more time and Lillard is obviously not going anywhere. I really like the idea of him in a Bucks jersey and working with Brandon Knight.

I haven't watched one Portland game this year but if their bench remains so thin we have many to offer them. Dudley maybe?

DutchManDanFan · Post #885 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:52 pm

Is Ty lawson a PG we want for the next 2 or 3 years? Then I suggest:

Lawson, Faried & 2015 2nd
for
Knight, Henson & 2015 1st

:dontknow:

AussieBuck · Post #886 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 1:55 pm

DutchManDanFan wrote:Is Ty lawson a PG we want for the next 2 or 3 years? Then I suggest:

Lawson, Faried & 2015 2nd
for
Knight, Henson & 2015 1st

Yuck, Faried is an overpaid effort guy IMO. Rich man's Jeff Adrien.

Dimitraa · Post #887 » by **Dimitraa** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:01 pm

Faried is a high energy little skills guy in a position of no need for us. Not only this but he has shown little progress and he will be overpaid. Also Nuggets won't trade him for that package.

jtf150 · Post #888 » by **jtf150** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:04 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
jtf150 wrote:
VooDoo7 wrote:Are you saying Anthony Mason didn't have upside when we got him?

He had an upside of toughness that the team lacked, but the downside was his attitude and totally ruined the team chemistry.

I don't see how Mason and Smith are comparable at all. You said it yourself, Mason didn't have upside ("toughness" in your own words) and had a ton of downside to that team. Smith is the opposite. Give Kidd a chance with him I say. 2010 Josh Smith is a weapon and cheap players that come with his upside don't fall off trees.

One question, "Did Mason make them better?" and 2010 Josh Smith was a weapon, but 2014 is just a head case. Why would this team want him? Are they going for a championship? There are reason the Pistons don't want him and it isn't because he is a leader and a good player. They also couldn't trade him, so that is why they just cut him. I don't want him here. I would be very surprised if they bring him in, which I doubt.

AussieBuck · Post #889 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:07 pm

Dimitraa wrote:Faried is a high energy little skills guy in a position of no need for us. Not only this but he has shown little progress and he will be overpaid. Also Nuggets won't trade him for that package.

He's already signed a 4 year $50 million deal that starts next season.

raferfenix · Post #890 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:08 pm

What about Knight / Henson / LAC pick for Lawson?

That saves the Nuggets $6 million in cap. But this only happens if they both really value that pick -- which all indications are that we fleeced the Clippers to say the least -- as well as Brandon Knight, which might be the rub.

On our end if we think Lawson significantly helps Giannis' development because he's a real PG then I'd be for it.

Thought about Faried heading here but can't see it. Just doesn't seem like a good fit with Giannis / Parker.

AussieBuck · Post #891 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:15 pm

I don't see them giving up Lawson without getting a high pick or similar but if they are Wages of Wins guys they might really love guys like Henson/Knight.

Dimitraa · Post #892 » by **Dimitraa** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:17 pm

raferfenix wrote:What about Knight / Henson / LAC pick for Lawson?

That saves the Nuggets $6 million in cap. But this only happens if they both really value that pick -- which all indications are that we fleeced the Clippers to say the least -- as well as Brandon Knight, which might be the rub.

On our end if we think Lawson significantly helps Giannis' development because he's a real PG then I'd be for it.

Thought about Faried heading here but can't see it. Just doesn't seem like a good fit with Giannis / Parker.

Take out Henson or without him contracts don't match? I would do that deal not sure if Denver will though.

Badgerlander · Post #893 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:20 pm

raferfenix wrote:What about Knight / Henson / LAC pick for Lawson?

That saves the Nuggets $6 million in cap. But this only happens if they both really value that pick -- which all indications are that we fleeced the Clippers to say the least -- as well as Brandon Knight, which might be the rub.

On our end if we think Lawson significantly helps Giannis' development because he's a real PG then I'd be for it.

Thought about Faried heading here but can't see it. Just doesn't seem like a good fit with Giannis / Parker.

I think Lawson would be the last guy on their roster aside from their rookies that they trade, plus they have Knight in Gary Harris and a young Center in Kurkic so no need for Henson. I think that they would move JaVale, Gallo, Faried, and Chandler. The Cavs have made offers for Moz and the Nugs don't want to trade him.

AussieBuck · Post #894 » by **AussieBuck** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:26 pm

Sucks about Galinari, he was a baller.

Nebula1 · Post #895 » by **Nebula1** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:30 pm

Dimitraa wrote:I haven't watched one Portland game this year but if their bench remains so thin we have many to offer them. Dudley maybe?

I figure Milwaukee needs to send back a reserve point and I'd want Wolters if I'm Portland. Bucks might want a big so Leonard? (this dude shot 7! 3s last night).

To me, the Blazers are pretty well set on the wing but the core of the trade would be Henson for McCollum and I like it for both squads. McCollum was impressive last night and at the same time, Portland could have used Henson in the middle.

I love the potential of the Bucks running a McCollum/Knight backcourt:

McCollum
Knight
Parker
Giannis
Sanders

breakchains · Post #896 » by **breakchains** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:30 pm

I like Faried a whole lot, I just don't know about his fit on this roster. He is a great buy low guy right now though.

I agree that Lawson would be hard to get from them, as they probably want to keep him + Nurkic the most. Faried is the guy teams should be eyeing up in terms of asset acquisition from that team.

Dimitraa · Post #897 » by **Dimitraa** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:47 pm

If Faried is the gettable from Denver then there is no point making any trades with them unless we faciliate a trade as a third team.

Nebula1 wrote:
Dimitraa wrote:I haven't watched one Portland game this year but if their bench remains so thin we have many to offer them. Dudley maybe?

I figure Milwaukee needs to send back a reserve point and I'd want Wolters if I'm Portland. Bucks might want a big so Leonard? (this dude shot 7! 3s last night).

To me, the Blazers are pretty well set on the wing but the core of the trade would be Henson for McCollum and I like it for both squads. McCollum was impressive last night and at the same time, Portland could have used Henson in the middle.

I love the potential of the Bucks running a McCollum/Knight backcourt:

McCollum
Knight
Parker
Giannis
Sanders

I don't mind giving Wolters since he is in the doghouse anyway and it's a shame for him. Let's hope Hammond tries to get McCollum seems one of the most possible young prospect targets for us.

Badgerlander · Post #898 » by **Badgerlander** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:49 pm

Tom Haberstroh ‏@tomhaberstroh 38m38 minutes ago
On Josh Smith's waning athleticism: He has 10 dunks through 28 games. He had 123 in 76 games for Atlanta two years ago.

raferfenix · Post #899 » by **raferfenix** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:51 pm

I wouldn't close the door on the Nuggets trading Lawson, even if it'd be a really stupid move.

More background from that ESPN article:

More than one source close to the league's infrastructure has confirmed Faried wasn't the only proposed transaction by Denver that violated CBA 101 basics. One rival team executive said the Nuggets called to propose a trade that was obviously unkosher under league rules, something that rarely, if ever, happens because no general manager wants to betray ignorance of such a rudimentary part of the gig. Most have the good sense to call the league to fact-check potential acquisitions.

General managers are engaged in a 12-month game of poker. They read each other for tells and vulnerabilities and prey on weaknesses. Projecting a lack of confidence or expertise can mark you as the fish at the table.

"There's definitely a lack of confidence when Tim calls," a different exec said. "You can hear it, and it's not even his fault because this wasn't a job he sought out. The s--- hit the fan [in late spring 2013], and he was needed in triage right away. How do you not take the job if it's offered?"

"[Josh Kroenke] wanted someone he could get along with the way he got along with Masai and the younger guys in the organization," a source with knowledge of the Nuggets said. "Josh thought he'd be able to continue working as de facto GM. All he needed was someone like Tim -- a good guy who would be grateful to be there and probably knew less about basketball than Josh."

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/11865 ... src=mobile

DutchManDanFan · Post #900 » by **DutchManDanFan** » Tue Dec 23, 2014 2:59 pm

AussieBuck wrote:
Dimitraa wrote:Faried is a high energy little skills guy in a position of no need for us. Not only this but he has shown little progress and he will be overpaid. Also Nuggets won't trade him for that package.

He's already signed a 4 year $50 million deal that starts next season.

Oops. No deal then of course.

And without Faried, Henson and the picks but the right for Denver to change picks in 2015 or 2016 (unless it's top 3) in stead?