ATL - PG13 to Thunder

Ron Swanson · Post #881 » by **Ron Swanson** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:41 pm

So all the good players that have ever played with Lebron are only good because of Lebron. No wonder he's already the GOAT.

freewhitemoon · Post #882 » by **freewhitemoon** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:44 pm

Mario chalmers is underrated though. Perfect fit for that Heat team and gave some great performances in those Finals. Poor guy got killed by injuries just when the money was about to come in. He's who we hoped Delly would be

OneMan · Post #883 » by **OneMan** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:46 pm

I will say the only thing that kept Kyrie in Cleveland was LeBron coming back. If I'm correct he was going to test free agency. My guess is Lebron let him in on his plans, sees that Dan Gilbert IS in fact a major grade A assclown and is getting the hell out.

FlagsFlyForever · Post #884 » by **FlagsFlyForever** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:47 pm

mlloyd10 wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:Kyrie won a championship like Mario Chalmers won a championship. We have seen plenty of games over the years where Kyrie plays and LeBron sits and the Cavs are hot garbage. Outplaying Curry (while conveniently ignoring the fact that Curry was terrible) or making all the highlight reel plays in the world won't make Kyrie a winner. The only thing that makes Kyrie a winner is LeBron.

I've said some dumb things, but this might be the dumbest i have read in awhile. Irving is a top 5 PG

He's not even in the same league as the top 5 PGs.

CP3
Curry
Harden
Wall
Westbrook

I don't even consider him top ten.

Lowry
Lillard
Conley
Isaiah
Kemba

ackypoo · Post #885 » by **ackypoo** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:49 pm

no one said kyrie wasnt good.

i can only speak for myself, but hes just not a guy id want to pay the amount hes due and will be extended for whenever that time comes. i think you can spend that money better elsewhere.

mcfromage · Post #886 » by **mcfromage** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:49 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:Kyrie won a championship like Mario Chalmers won a championship. We have seen plenty of games over the years where Kyrie plays and LeBron sits and the Cavs are hot garbage. Outplaying Curry (while conveniently ignoring the fact that Curry was terrible) or making all the highlight reel plays in the world won't make Kyrie a winner. The only thing that makes Kyrie a winner is LeBron.

I've said some dumb things, but this might be the dumbest i have read in awhile. Irving is a top 5 PG

He's not even in the same league as the top 5 PGs.

CP3
Curry
Harden
Wall
Westbrook

I don't even consider him top ten.

Lowry
Lillard
Conley
Isaiah
Kemba

I'd put Kyrie above all of the guys in your second tier.

freewhitemoon · Post #887 » by **freewhitemoon** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:55 pm

Conley is on same tier as Wall if not better imo. I'd put Lowry there too if he didnt become a scrub every postseason.

If you sub Kyrie for Lillard/Kemba/IT etc you probably won't get a great result over 82 games. But that being said he's one of the few guys who really provide clutch value so he's been good next to Lebron

DanoMac · Post #888 » by **DanoMac** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 8:56 pm

ackypoo wrote:id rather take back brandon knight with some assets than give up something to get kyrie.

God no

DingleJerry · Post #889 » by **DingleJerry** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:03 pm

freewhitemoon wrote:Conley is on same tier as Wall if not better imo. I'd put Lowry there too if he didnt become a scrub every postseason.

If you sub Kyrie for Lillard/Kemba/IT etc you probably won't get a great result over 82 games. But that being said he's one of the few guys who really provide clutch value so he's been good next to Lebron

Important thing to note on Kyrie is that he doesn't actually play PG on offense. All these guys you know can be the lead PG/creator/facilitator on winning teams. It's unknown with Kyrie as he's playing in a microwave scoring role next to LBJ. His skillset is absurd so you know he's capable of it physically but in the samples we have so far the results aren't great. Too much head down iso crap rather than running the offense, ball gets stuck too much, they basically lose every game LBJ sits and get pasted whenever he's on the bench. Kyrie is in a perfect role for him right now. Put him as the lead go to guy and there's a question. Skills with handle and shot are there, but not sure on vision and mindset. How would he take to coaching to play a more winning style of team ball instead of iso? That would be the key and it's important to remember he's still pretty young.

freewhitemoon · Post #890 » by **freewhitemoon** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:07 pm

DingleJerry wrote:
freewhitemoon wrote:Conley is on same tier as Wall if not better imo. I'd put Lowry there too if he didnt become a scrub every postseason.

If you sub Kyrie for Lillard/Kemba/IT etc you probably won't get a great result over 82 games. But that being said he's one of the few guys who really provide clutch value so he's been good next to Lebron

Important thing to note on Kyrie is that he doesn't actually play PG on offense. All these guys you know can be the lead PG/creator/facilitator on winning teams. It's unknown with Kyrie as he's playing in a microwave scoring role next to LBJ. His skillset is absurd so you know he's capable of it physically but in the samples we have so far the results aren't great. Too much head down iso crap rather than running the offense, ball gets stuck too much, they basically lose every game LBJ sits and get pasted whenever he's on the bench. Kyrie is in a perfect role for him right now. Put him as the lead go to guy and there's a question. Skills with handle and shot are there, but not sure on vision and mindset. How would he take to coaching to play a more winning style of team ball instead of iso? That would be the key and it's important to remember he's still pretty young.

Yes, it's a shame he never developed his PG skills which really limits him from being a truly elite offensive player. I know he's only 25 but I don't have much hope for him in that regard anymore. He was already phenomenal as a teenage rookie and just hasn't progressed much outside of his individual scoring. I think he could've been an all time great PG if he was drafted into a better situation (and not Byron Scott Cavs)

RRyder823 · Post #891 » by **RRyder823** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:08 pm

Ron Swanson wrote:Kyrie literally just won a championship last year while outplaying Steph Curry in the Finals.

Can't win with "player x"

"Player x" just won a championship

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Beorn · Post #892 » by **Beorn** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:18 pm

Kyrie is meh to bad at everything not named "scoring", which is a bad thing for your PG, unless you have another primary facilitator in the mold of Lebron/Giannis/whatever.

GBBucks · Post #893 » by **GBBucks** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:23 pm

Beorn wrote:Kyrie is meh to bad at everything not named "scoring", which is a bad thing for your PG, unless you have another primary facilitator in the mold of Lebron/Giannis/whatever.

So we're good and can be happy that Irving is good at his non-traditional PG Role?

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stellation · Post #894 » by **stellation** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:33 pm

Lil bit of Kyrie's elbows are too pointy going on in here.

BroncoBuck · Post #895 » by **BroncoBuck** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:38 pm

Beorn wrote:Kyrie is meh to bad at everything not named "scoring", which is a bad thing for your PG, unless you have another primary facilitator in the mold of Lebron/Giannis/whatever.

He has the best handles in the league…

He's bad on defense, he is awesome on offense.

These Kyrie hot takes are wild.

Max Green · Post #896 » by **Max Green** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:39 pm

We would've been in the ECF last season if we had Kyrie on our team.

Wiscfan92 · Post #897 » by **Wiscfan92** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:42 pm

ElPeregrino wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:Kyrie won a championship like Mario Chalmers won a championship. We have seen plenty of games over the years where Kyrie plays and LeBron sits and the Cavs are hot garbage. Outplaying Curry (while conveniently ignoring the fact that Curry was terrible) or making all the highlight reel plays in the world won't make Kyrie a winner. The only thing that makes Kyrie a winner is LeBron.

I've said some dumb things, but this might be the dumbest i have read in awhile. Irving is a top 5 PG

He's not even in the same league as the top 5 PGs.

CP3
Curry
Harden
Wall
Westbrook

I don't even consider him top ten.

Lowry
Lillard
Conley
Isaiah
Kemba

IT also a stretch, but come on now you are just trying to troll. These guys are nowhere near as good as Kyrie.

Max Green · Post #898 » by **Max Green** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:44 pm

Kyle Lowry better than Kyrie?

Profound23 · Post #899 » by **Profound23** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:46 pm

mcfromage wrote:
ElPeregrino wrote:
mlloyd10 wrote:
I've said some dumb things, but this might be the dumbest i have read in awhile. Irving is a top 5 PG

He's not even in the same league as the top 5 PGs.

CP3
Curry
Harden
Wall
Well

I don't even consider him top ten.

Lowry
Lillard
Conley
Isaiah
Kemba

I'd put Kyrie above all of the guys in your second tier.

Also above Wall. I would trade anyone not named Gianni's for Kyrie if possible.

M-C-G · Post #900 » by **M-C-G** » Wed Jun 21, 2017 9:49 pm

RRyder823 wrote:
Ron Swanson wrote:Kyrie literally just won a championship last year while outplaying Steph Curry in the Finals.

Can't win with "player x"

"Player x" just won a championship

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Player X, can't win without Player Y...Player Y has a terrible receding hairline and is the best player in the world.