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Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks (NO TPE)

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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#881 » by Chuck Diesel » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:14 pm

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Chuck Diesel wrote:It has little impact on the Bucks if Brogdon has a nice career. Sure, you don’t want him going off when we play them four times a year or in a playoff series but other than that I find it a bizarre use of energy to actively wish ill of the dude. I was also more responding to the odd onslaught of Brogdon negativity after he was an ideal Buck for three years. Best 2nd round pick of my lifetime. I wish the guy well. Different strokes.



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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#882 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:17 pm

I really don't care what he does as a basketball player. I hope his charitable endeavors work miracles though.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#883 » by FrieAaron » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:20 pm

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60611 wrote:Haha, Brogdon's net rating was outstanding with Giannis off the floor. The Bucks netrtg with Brown in place of Brogdon, and no other changes, was abysmal.

It seems many of you guys can talk yourselves into anything, but you're in for a rude awakening. Bucks billionaires knew they could appease their fans with their unwillingness to go into the luxury tax by signing sideshows RoLo and Thannis...quite the misdirection, and it worked like a charm.


What was our record without Brogdon again?

Ill wait..


11-7 in the regular season.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#884 » by H2tObes » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:31 pm

FrieAaron wrote:
soxperry wrote:
60611 wrote:Haha, Brogdon's net rating was outstanding with Giannis off the floor. The Bucks netrtg with Brown in place of Brogdon, and no other changes, was abysmal.

It seems many of you guys can talk yourselves into anything, but you're in for a rude awakening. Bucks billionaires knew they could appease their fans with their unwillingness to go into the luxury tax by signing sideshows RoLo and Thannis...quite the misdirection, and it worked like a charm.


What was our record without Brogdon again?

Ill wait..


11-7 in the regular season.

And 7-1 in the postseason.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#885 » by soxperry » Mon Jul 8, 2019 7:35 pm

FrieAaron wrote:
soxperry wrote:
60611 wrote:Haha, Brogdon's net rating was outstanding with Giannis off the floor. The Bucks netrtg with Brown in place of Brogdon, and no other changes, was abysmal.

It seems many of you guys can talk yourselves into anything, but you're in for a rude awakening. Bucks billionaires knew they could appease their fans with their unwillingness to go into the luxury tax by signing sideshows RoLo and Thannis...quite the misdirection, and it worked like a charm.


What was our record without Brogdon again?

Ill wait..


11-7 in the regular season.


Convenient that you left the postseason out, but okay...

So of those 7 losses, guess who didnt play in 5 of them?

In another one of those, Utah, we were also missing Bledsoe so Middleton was handling the ball and Frazier was guarding their best player in crucial late game possessions.

We'll be fine.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#886 » by FrieAaron » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:08 pm

H2tObes wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
soxperry wrote:
What was our record without Brogdon again?

Ill wait..


11-7 in the regular season.

And 7-1 in the postseason.


4 of those games were against a Detroit game with a hobbled Blake Griffin. We very well may have swept them without Brogdon and Middleton combined. They played well without him against Boston, obviously. But I think it's relevant that we were 11-7 without him the regular season. Having Hill and Matthews should help but I still wouldn't be surprised if we took a slight step back this year unless Giannis takes yet another step forward, which he might.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#887 » by HaroldinGMinor » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:13 pm

soxperry wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
soxperry wrote:
What was our record without Brogdon again?

Ill wait..


11-7 in the regular season.


Convenient that you left the postseason out, but okay...

So of those 7 losses, guess who didnt play in 5 of them?
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#888 » by H2tObes » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:18 pm

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H2tObes wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
11-7 in the regular season.

And 7-1 in the postseason.


4 of those games were against a Detroit game with a hobbled Blake Griffin. We very well may have swept them without Brogdon and Middleton combined. They played well without him against Boston, obviously. But I think it's relevant that we were 11-7 without him the regular season. Having Hill and Matthews should help but I still wouldn't be surprised if we took a slight step back this year unless Giannis takes yet another step forward, which he might.

It's interesting that people ignore the playoff games when this conversation comes up, then proceed to only look at context for the playoff games after the 7-1 playoff record is brought up. The fact of the matter is that we were 18-8 without Brogdon last year, which is obviously very good.

Maybe we do take a step back, but I don't think bringing up record w/o him last year helps that argument
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#889 » by FrieAaron » Mon Jul 8, 2019 8:21 pm

soxperry wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
soxperry wrote:
What was our record without Brogdon again?

Ill wait..


11-7 in the regular season.


Convenient that you left the postseason out, but okay...

So of those 7 losses, guess who didnt play in 5 of them?

In another one of those, Utah, we were also missing Bledsoe so Middleton was handling the ball and Frazier was guarding their best player in crucial late game possessions.

We'll be fine.


I only count 4 where Giannis didn't play unless I missed one, but that's fair. And I hope you're right, but watching the games he seemed when healthy to be close to equally as important to Midds.
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Post#890 » by blazza18 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:12 pm

Really not sure why posters are trying to devalue Brogdon by using our record without him now that he's gone. We're a worse team with him not on it.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#891 » by emunney » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:22 pm

soxperry wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
soxperry wrote:
What was our record without Brogdon again?

Ill wait..


11-7 in the regular season.


Convenient that you left the postseason out, but okay...

So of those 7 losses, guess who didnt play in 5 of them?


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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#892 » by Eeavers57 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:25 pm

soxperry wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
soxperry wrote:
What was our record without Brogdon again?

Ill wait..


11-7 in the regular season.


Convenient that you left the postseason out, but okay...

So of those 7 losses, guess who didnt play in 5 of them?



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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#893 » by MuckyFingers » Mon Jul 8, 2019 10:35 pm

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wallus wrote:It's wild to me that nobody knows about the TPE.


Shssh. Not so loud. Our local reporter guys might hear that, and we don’t want to disturb their day of soccer watching.

Late to the party on this thread, but this is an outstanding post.
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Post#894 » by DavidDunn21 » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:07 pm

H2tObes wrote:
FrieAaron wrote:
H2tObes wrote:And 7-1 in the postseason.


4 of those games were against a Detroit game with a hobbled Blake Griffin. We very well may have swept them without Brogdon and Middleton combined. They played well without him against Boston, obviously. But I think it's relevant that we were 11-7 without him the regular season. Having Hill and Matthews should help but I still wouldn't be surprised if we took a slight step back this year unless Giannis takes yet another step forward, which he might.

It's interesting that people ignore the playoff games when this conversation comes up, then proceed to only look at context for the playoff games after the 7-1 playoff record is brought up. The fact of the matter is that we were 18-8 without Brogdon last year, which is obviously very good.

Maybe we do take a step back, but I don't think bringing up record w/o him last year helps that argument

On the other hand, we were 14-2 with Brogdon in the lineup from Christmas Day to Jan 27.
We were 12-1 with Brogdon in the lineup from Jan 31 to Mar 1.

He had some clunker games over the course of the year like everybody, but he certainly didn't have anything like the bad month that Middleton had. He was good against the Warriors and Rockets. He hit some big shots. He stayed in his lane. He's a solid player that any team would want at a reasonable price, which ironically was the exact same thing we heard about Middleton the last time he was up for a contract.
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Post#895 » by soxperry » Mon Jul 8, 2019 11:17 pm

blazza18 wrote:Really not sure why posters are trying to devalue Brogdon by using our record without him now that he's gone. We're a worse team with him not on it.


Because i think a lot of people are afraid that we are significantly worse without him and that just hasn't shown to be the case.
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Post#896 » by Chuck Diesel » Tue Jul 9, 2019 1:11 am

blazza18 wrote:Really not sure why posters are trying to devalue Brogdon by using our record without him now that he's gone. We're a worse team with him not on it.


Yeah but last March he relayed an uncomfortable truth about Milwaukee. Good riddance!
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Post#897 » by FlagsFlyForever » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:27 am

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blazza18 wrote:Really not sure why posters are trying to devalue Brogdon by using our record without him now that he's gone. We're a worse team with him not on it.


Yeah but last March he relayed an uncomfortable truth about Milwaukee. Good riddance!

I don't think it's that. Feigin said something similar and he's well respected by Bucks fans. Bucks fans understand the issues with Milwaukee and the only reason people keep bringing up Brogdon's words about the city are as a means to explain part of the reason why he wouldn't want to stay here.

Even if we ignore the debate about whether Brogdon wanted to remain here or not (the truth is nobody knows), people aren't panicking about losing Brogdon because Brogdon is a sub-All Star level player who has a long history of missing significant time due to injuries. Two seasons ago, Brogdon missed 34 games due to an injury and wasn't 100% when he was playing. Last season, Brogdon missed 26 games including crucial time in the playoffs. The Bucks are obviously worse without Brogdon and I don't think a single person has said otherwise. I just personally feel like replacing Brogdon with Matthews and Robin Lopez is only a minor blow to the team.
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Post#898 » by kid idioteque » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:48 am

Chuck Diesel wrote:Yeah, **** this guy! Hope he stops building wells in Africa too. They’re probably all Warriors fans anyway, let them thirst!


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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#899 » by paulpressey25 » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:48 am

There is something here between Brogdon and the organization. I don’t know what it is, but it’s there. Malcolm is a man of few words and they are measured very carefully. His press conference today had way too many “I need to be with an organization who appreciates me” type quotes to it.

Here is an interesting profile on Malcolm’s agent, Danielle Cantor:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2017/09/27/ive-had-to-work-my-a-off-to-prove-myself-meet-the-nbas-only-female-agent-with-a-client/?utm_term=.81952be81f5c

She talks a lot about Malcolm in here, and note her boss/partner is David Falk, so Greg Monroe also referenced, albeit briefly.
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Re: Woj: Malcolm Brogdon S&T to Pacers for Picks 

Post#900 » by kid idioteque » Tue Jul 9, 2019 2:50 am

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blazza18 wrote:Really not sure why posters are trying to devalue Brogdon by using our record without him now that he's gone. We're a worse team with him not on it.


Yeah but last March he relayed an uncomfortable truth about Milwaukee. Good riddance!


Huh? I'm not holding it against him. He's correct. But someone who wants to be in Milwaukee doesn't phrase it like he did.

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