Bucks Offseason Thread - Trade, news, re-tool discussion

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

I don't know why his last two coaches seem so reluctant to give him consistent rotation minutes when all the efficiency and lineup metrics say he's really good, but Luke Kennard is at the top of my list for realistic targets if we're not gonna break up the Big-3 core. Dude is in the middle of a 3-season stretch where he's shooting like 47% from 3 on good volume in the RS/playoffs combined.

sincere question whats the difference between him and bojan. i have not watched him much at all

[midranger]

Yes. Middleton to Memphis package essentially HAS to be:

Jones
Kennard
Zaire
Picks (two firsts-ish)

I think both Kennard and Jones could add a lot to our team. The picks increase flexibility to make deadline moves. But, I definitely get how that feels underwhelming.

[midranger]

If Houston is going “for it” and wants some vets to put with Harden, I’d definitely take a flyer on a Bobby for Tari Eason trade

[German Athens]

Paging Emunney or anyone in the know. Is there a jalen Williams is this draft?

I keep trying to come up with trade scenarios where we get jalen, but I can’t find the thunder’s motivation to move off him for any of our non-Giannis players.

He’s got a lot of Khris to him, but he’s got a better handle, slightly better burst, and just crazy defensive length. He doesn’t have the tough shot making of Khris yet, but it looks like there’s some of that in there, too. If we try to reset on the fly, he might be my top wing target.

[Ron Swanson]

Zero faith that Ziaire Williams is an NBA player, so would prefer to reroute him to a 3rd team that's rebuilding and can send additional value out. Memphis is at a big crossroads right now. I think they might just be sick of Brooks and let him walk, but Ja's extension kicking in and Bane likely getting inked to at least 4-yrs $120 million is gonna put them firmly in the luxury tax. Kennard, Jones, Clarke, and Adams I could see all being cap casualties they'd prefer to move.

[midranger]

Yeah, Ziaire Williams sucks. Just need his salary to match.

[machu46]

Paging Emunney or anyone in the know. Is there a jalen Williams is this draft?

I keep trying to come up with trade scenarios where we get jalen, but I can’t find the thunder’s motivation to move off him for any of our non-Giannis players.

He’s got a lot of Khris to him, but he’s got a better handle, slightly better burst, and just crazy defensive length. He doesn’t have the tough shot making of Khris yet, but it looks like there’s some of that in there, too. If we try to reset on the fly, he might be my top wing target.

Are you asking about a prospect with similar strengths and weaknesses to Jalen or just a prospect that’s being overlooked at the moment?


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[German Athens]

Paging Emunney or anyone in the know. Is there a jalen Williams is this draft?

I keep trying to come up with trade scenarios where we get jalen, but I can’t find the thunder’s motivation to move off him for any of our non-Giannis players.

He’s got a lot of Khris to him, but he’s got a better handle, slightly better burst, and just crazy defensive length. He doesn’t have the tough shot making of Khris yet, but it looks like there’s some of that in there, too. If we try to reset on the fly, he might be my top wing target.

Are you asking about a prospect with similar strengths and weaknesses to Jalen or just a prospect that’s being overlooked at the moment?


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I’m interested in both, really.

I love williams’ skillset, and it’s something we can use, so if there’s anyone like that I’m interested. But we also typically see players in the late lottery who really hit - recently Halliburton, Williams, maxey, Mitchell, etc, and I’d be interested to hear names that people think highly of in that regard as well

[raferfenix]

How do we think Middleton would fit on the Grizzlies?

OG and Bridges are much better defenders. But Bridges is off the market and who knows what Toronto is going to do.

Shams’ latest on Memphis breaking up with Brooks says they’ll be “very aggressive” fwiw:

Grizzlies executive vice president of basketball operations Zach Kleiman told reporters on Sunday that the franchise will be “very aggressive” in the offseason. Memphis has up to five first-round picks and up to three draft swaps to utilize in perspective trades.

https://theathletic.com/4481287/2023/05/02/dillon-brooks-grizzlies-free-agent/

[Ron Swanson]

Pivoting to a different hypothetical here. I view Bridges as close to untouchable if I'm Brooklyn, and say Ujiri is still reluctant to trade OG. Memphis really wants to make a move and starts getting desperate. Maybe they start viewing replacing Brooks' perimeter defense as more important than getting another shot-creating wing (or just go for a cheaper guy)....

Jrue Holiday for Kennard, Tyus Jones, and 3-4 unprotected 1st's and pick swaps. Who says no?

[machu46]

Paging Emunney or anyone in the know. Is there a jalen Williams is this draft?

I keep trying to come up with trade scenarios where we get jalen, but I can’t find the thunder’s motivation to move off him for any of our non-Giannis players.

He’s got a lot of Khris to him, but he’s got a better handle, slightly better burst, and just crazy defensive length. He doesn’t have the tough shot making of Khris yet, but it looks like there’s some of that in there, too. If we try to reset on the fly, he might be my top wing target.

Are you asking about a prospect with similar strengths and weaknesses to Jalen or just a prospect that’s being overlooked at the moment?


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I’m interested in both, really.

I love williams’ skillset, and it’s something we can use, so if there’s anyone like that I’m interested. But we also typically see players in the late lottery who really hit - recently Halliburton, Williams, maxey, Mitchell, etc, and I’d be interested to hear names that people think highly of in that regard as well

Jalen was probably an outlier in that basically everyone talked about him the way that you would a top 10 prospect but then said he'd be a late 1st round pick. I'm not sure that type of guy exists this year. We'll see how things shake out after the withdraw deadline at the end of the month, but in my very early scouting, I tend to like the PG-ish guys in the late 1st/early 2nd range this year (Kobe Bufkin and Judah Mintz specifically). Sam Vecenie currently has those two #11 and #50 on his big board respectively, some others have had both of them close to each other in the 20s.

Jaime Jaquez isn't as good a prospect as Jalen was but theoretically plays the same sort of role as an oversized playmaker that can create his own shot with a more methodical pace to his game. He's generally projected around the end of the 1st round.

[engelmartin]

Pivoting to a different hypothetical here. I view Bridges as close to untouchable if I'm Brooklyn, and say Ujiri is still reluctant to trade OG. Memphis really wants to make a move and starts getting desperate. Maybe they start viewing replacing Brooks' perimeter defense as more important than getting another shot-creating wing (or just go for a cheaper guy)....

Jrue Holiday for Kennard, Tyus Jones, and 3-4 unprotected 1st's and pick swaps. Who says no?

What about Miles Bridges? That would be one way to beat the competition.

[machu46]

Pivoting to a different hypothetical here. I view Bridges as close to untouchable if I'm Brooklyn, and say Ujiri is still reluctant to trade OG. Memphis really wants to make a move and starts getting desperate. Maybe they start viewing replacing Brooks' perimeter defense as more important than getting another shot-creating wing (or just go for a cheaper guy)....

Jrue Holiday for Kennard, Tyus Jones, and 3-4 unprotected 1st's and pick swaps. Who says no?

I would think Milwaukee says no until they find someone else they can get with those picks. I don't think Milwaukee would hit the reset button in that way and just hope they find a follow up trade to get back on track.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

if we were looking to blow it up the girzzlies offers would be great in the sense theyre trying to win a title so theyd be all over jrue. i think if youre trying to blow it up by moving khris and jrue the teams youd have to look at are the ones still going for it. any team in the league would want those two guys unless they were tanking or something

[MickeyDavis]

Grizzlies and Raptors will be two teams that could potentially shake things up

[Ron Swanson]

Pivoting to a different hypothetical here. I view Bridges as close to untouchable if I'm Brooklyn, and say Ujiri is still reluctant to trade OG. Memphis really wants to make a move and starts getting desperate. Maybe they start viewing replacing Brooks' perimeter defense as more important than getting another shot-creating wing (or just go for a cheaper guy)....

Jrue Holiday for Kennard, Tyus Jones, and 3-4 unprotected 1st's and pick swaps. Who says no?

I would think Milwaukee says no until they find someone else they can get with those picks. I don't think Milwaukee would hit the reset button in that way and just hope they find a follow up trade to get back on track.

Well that's kinda the point. But "star players demanding a trade" timelines tend to not happen at the exact time we want them to. Jones/Kennard/Middleton/Giannis/Brook still looks like the starting lineup of a 50+ win homecourt team to me, and you'd finally have the assets to put together the true Godfather trade package whenever the next Top-20 guy becomes available.

[GHOSTofSIKMA]

is dillon brooks a dick like draymond or smart.... or more like lance stephenson... or what is he? just a complete ****?

there is no doubt on our team if he could rein in his shot selection, mouth, and falcon punches that hed be the piece we need in the tucker/crowder mold.

talk me off a cliff here

[machu46]

Pivoting to a different hypothetical here. I view Bridges as close to untouchable if I'm Brooklyn, and say Ujiri is still reluctant to trade OG. Memphis really wants to make a move and starts getting desperate. Maybe they start viewing replacing Brooks' perimeter defense as more important than getting another shot-creating wing (or just go for a cheaper guy)....

Jrue Holiday for Kennard, Tyus Jones, and 3-4 unprotected 1st's and pick swaps. Who says no?

I would think Milwaukee says no until they find someone else they can get with those picks. I don't think Milwaukee would hit the reset button in that way and just hope they find a follow up trade to get back on track.

Well that's kinda the point. But "star players demanding a trade" timelines tend to not happen at the exact time we want them to. Jones/Kennard/Middleton/Giannis/Brook still looks like the starting lineup of a 50+ win homecourt team to me, and you'd finally have the assets to put together the true Godfather trade package whenever the next Top-20 guy becomes available.

I get the logic of it. I just don’t think the front office would go for it. There’s no chance they’d view that starting lineup as an upgrade (duh) and likely not even a true contender anymore. I don’t think they’ll willingly take a step back despite it positioning them for an upgrade potentially in the near future.


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[BucksRule18]

My first priorities this summer would be move Bud for his incompetency during the playoffs and Middleton due to being injury prone. I know that Holiday was awful against Miami, and in general during the playoffs (at least on the offensive end). However, we've pretty much seen the same from him during the regular season when Middleton has been our second option on the offensive end. I can't explain it in scientific terms, but Holiday somehow turns into a pumpkin when he's the 3rd option, and a fancy stagecoach when he's the 2nd. Get a true point guard for Middleton and let's see what happens.

[emunney]

Paging Emunney or anyone in the know. Is there a jalen Williams is this draft?

I keep trying to come up with trade scenarios where we get jalen, but I can’t find the thunder’s motivation to move off him for any of our non-Giannis players.

He’s got a lot of Khris to him, but he’s got a better handle, slightly better burst, and just crazy defensive length. He doesn’t have the tough shot making of Khris yet, but it looks like there’s some of that in there, too. If we try to reset on the fly, he might be my top wing target.

Not that I've seen. I think we've got a better chance of getting Dame than Jalen Williams, just how the circumstances line up.