Bucks News, Transactions, Trade Ideas

[-Jragon-]

Donte's #s have been about the same since year 2.. once the playoffs come..... hhhhh, hopefully for the Knicks put a team option for the last year

[Profound23]

I don't see any way the Bucks ever trade Pat, because of his ties to one of the lesser owners.

I think it is highly unlikely they trade Bobby, because I think Horst sees his value, like I do. BP is also one of Giannis's favorites.

PC is totally expendable, which is why he won't have great trade value.

BP could bring a lot of value, despite being totally undervalued on this board. Even though it is highly unlikely, I would consider trading Bobby for the right package. I think Eason is a great idea, but we also need a good big in return. Not going to happen.

Good post. Unless its a lopsided trade in the Bucks favor Pat is not going anyplace.

Especially the duo of Bobby and Pat. Just trying to destroy team chemistry if you trade them. Unless you get a trade offer that is a clear cut offer it makes little sense.

[Ron Swanson]

Derrick White is not the "lowest bar" for finding a 5th starter who's a positive two-way player, c'mon now. We're talking about guys like Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson, Harrison Barnes, and Josh Hart here. Not prime Scottie Pippen.

[engelmartin]

Donte:

The Good-very good defender/disruptor
The Bad-has hard time staying on the court; cannot finish at the rim, so can play him as tight as you want
Question Mark- his outside shooting for his first 5 years was abysmal; better last year and this year. Don't know which one you will get.

The bold reminds me so much of AJJ.

But what about the fact that AJJ is shooting like 40% from three? No one possibly could have expected that going into the season.

[-Jragon-]

Public service announcement for anyone thinking we should trade assets for DDV.

Check the splits, DDV's shooting %s go down like 10% in the playoffs and Pat C's go up like 10% in the playoffs. You guys want another early exit? What happens in the playoffs? Faster closeouts.. Donte is left wide open and still can't deal with a playoff closeout and nothing changed from last year with GS. NY's superbowl is making the playoffs so they gave dude 10 mill per, don't let them off the hook by taking that from them. Let them have their prize

[-Jragon-]

So the next poster who says let's get DDV back before he has 1 good playoff year owes us a pizza party.. we aren't the Knicks; we aren't trying for a few more regular season wins.. we need to be getting stone cold playoff shooters or hope that our young guys have it

[Badgerlander]

Finding true defensive assets who are also a positive on the offensive end are really hard to find. You’re basically talking about borderline all-stars or better. The lowest on the totem pole may be Derrick white, who’s really irritatingly good.

If I remember correctly, I think he was acquired with a single first. If he became available now, he’d go for a lot more than that, but the point would be to try to find the next Derrick white.

The only player that I can think of that may have a similar trajectory and have actual two-way impact while being a real defensive asset would be Quickley.

He doesn’t offer the size of white which likely limits his defensive ceiling some, but he’s still very good on that end with potential to improve.

If NYK are looking to win now, and, with that, not all that interested in picks for Quickley, maybe the Bobby+ package actually could get it done.

I don’t know that an 1.25” is going to make a huge difference. Derrick White came into the league a 3 level scorer but still wasn’t useful until he turned tge corner offensively last year in the playoffs. I worry a bit about Quickley relying on his floater game, but maybe he makes those into lobs with us. Floaters are a fart in the wind come playoff time, you either finish or you don’t. Quickley’s defense is easily worth our second though if he becomes available.
I’d still like to find a guy on a rookie deal that can create his own shot.Tre Mann is really the only guy out there that I think we might have a shot at. Curious to see what OKC decides to do at the deadline.

[Badgerlander]

I’d sign Gabriel way before I’d give up anything for Finney-Smith

[skones]

Donte:

The Good-very good defender/disruptor
The Bad-has hard time staying on the court; cannot finish at the rim, so can play him as tight as you want
Question Mark- his outside shooting for his first 5 years was abysmal; better last year and this year. Don't know which one you will get.

The bold reminds me so much of AJJ.

But what about the fact that AJJ is shooting like 40% from three? No one possibly could have expected that going into the season.

And they shouldn't expect it. It's an outlier based on a sample size of 24 attempts. It's going to sink like a stone. Some of his attempts are so far off line that it feels impossible for him to sustain anything above 30%.

[German Athens]

Derrick White is not the "lowest bar" for finding a 5th starter who's a positive two-way player, c'mon now. We're talking about guys like Finney-Smith, Cam Johnson, Harrison Barnes, and Josh Hart here. Not prime Scottie Pippen.

I think this is just semantics, and my want to prop Quickley up again.

All the guys you mentioned would help us quite a bit, and I’d definitely be interested in, but their value has largely been above average on one end while not being a liability on the other (finney-smith and hart), Barnes and Johnson are likely even better than that - which, again, would really help us.

I was just talking about a player who’s a real defensive asset to the point that they’re on the shortlist of candidates for all defensive teams while actually being clear positive offensive players. (White, FVV, honestly maybe cam Johnson could go here, prime George hill).

I think Quickley could be one of those guys, and we may be able to get him with the assets we have available. There’s upside there.

[German Athens]

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I don’t know that an 1.25” is going to make a huge difference. Derrick White came into the league a 3 level scorer but still wasn’t useful until he turned tge corner offensively last year in the playoffs. I worry a bit about Quickley relying on his floater game, but maybe he makes those into lobs with us. Floaters are a fart in the wind come playoff time, you either finish or you don’t. Quickley’s defense is easily worth our second though if he becomes available.
I’d still like to find a guy on a rookie deal that can create his own shot.Tre Mann is really the only guy out there that I think we might have a shot at. Curious to see what OKC decides to do at the deadline.

It’s not just the height and length, it’s also the strength and thicker frame. White has an easier time guarding players bigger than him than Quickley does, and that’s where I see a little more defensive utility from someone like white.

The offensive issue may be real with Quickley, but I attribute a lot of this to the offensive ineptitude of that roster around him, and that he was still only 23. There’s space to improve, and I think he will, particularly if he got to play with the Bucks.

[crowhead76]

I really do not understand the thinking on this board that Pat is not moveable because of his links to an owner. This is incredibly naive thinking in my opinion. The owners of the team did not get to where they are by simply ignoring diminishing returns. These are businessmen who have gained incredible wealth by successfully separating business from personal relationships. Also, go tell Dame and Giannis that the team has an opportunity to improve their chances at winning a championship but they won't do it because they do not want to trade Pat. This is all such nonsense. If Pat is what makes a trade work, than Pat will be traded.

I say that without any real desire to trade Pat, I like him and his playoff numbers are incredibly good, I just do not see him having an exemption on this roster.

[Profound23]

Donte:

The Good-very good defender/disruptor
The Bad-has hard time staying on the court; cannot finish at the rim, so can play him as tight as you want
Question Mark- his outside shooting for his first 5 years was abysmal; better last year and this year. Don't know which one you will get.

The bold reminds me so much of AJJ.

But what about the fact that AJJ is shooting like 40% from three? No one possibly could have expected that going into the season.

I think it is incredible. Never saw it coming, even if it goes down a little bit maybe it gives him some confidence and helps him continue to evolve his game.

What he does better than DDV is just making the smart, quick, and sometimes amazing passes. Just so efficient. Best rookie we have had in a long time and we haven't even hit the halfway mark. Feels weird, because you always expect a player like him to land in Miami or Boston.

[ReddoverKobe]

I really do not understand the thinking on this board that Pat is not moveable because of his links to an owner. This is incredibly naive thinking in my opinion. The owners of the team did not get to where they are by simply ignoring diminishing returns. These are businessmen who have gained incredible wealth by successfully separating business from personal relationships. Also, go tell Dame and Giannis that the team has an opportunity to improve their chances at winning a championship but they won't do it because they do not want to trade Pat. This is all such nonsense. If Pat is what makes a trade work, than Pat will be traded.

I say that without any real desire to trade Pat, I like him and his playoff numbers are incredibly good, I just do not see him having an exemption on this roster.

The "owners" are Giannis and Dame. Both of those guys love Pat.

[Shaffty]

I really do not understand the thinking on this board that Pat is not moveable because of his links to an owner. This is incredibly naive thinking in my opinion. The owners of the team did not get to where they are by simply ignoring diminishing returns. These are businessmen who have gained incredible wealth by successfully separating business from personal relationships. Also, go tell Dame and Giannis that the team has an opportunity to improve their chances at winning a championship but they won't do it because they do not want to trade Pat. This is all such nonsense. If Pat is what makes a trade work, than Pat will be traded.

I say that without any real desire to trade Pat, I like him and his playoff numbers are incredibly good, I just do not see him having an exemption on this roster.

Its not about the relationship its about more then that

[jimmybones]

I really do not understand the thinking on this board that Pat is not moveable because of his links to an owner. This is incredibly naive thinking in my opinion. The owners of the team did not get to where they are by simply ignoring diminishing returns. These are businessmen who have gained incredible wealth by successfully separating business from personal relationships. Also, go tell Dame and Giannis that the team has an opportunity to improve their chances at winning a championship but they won't do it because they do not want to trade Pat. This is all such nonsense. If Pat is what makes a trade work, than Pat will be traded.

I say that without any real desire to trade Pat, I like him and his playoff numbers are incredibly good, I just do not see him having an exemption on this roster.

Overall I agree with your sentiment but your notion of "go tell Dame and Giannis" - Giannis is going to be the first one to nix it.

[BroncoBuck]

AJ Green is better than Donte lol.
Don't get why DDV is even mentioned here.

All of you are posting reasonable arguments about Brook's overall impact ... I just don't want to see Boston or the Heat attack Brook and Khris in turns over and over again... it is so painful to watch us collapse for not adjusting roster or lineups.

Brook and Khris should not play together in almost any lineup... Benching Brook and starting Bobby was the solution Bud refused to apply for the last 2 years.

AJ Green would get absolutely torched in the playoffs by Boston.

[BroncoBuck]

Bobby and Pat is enough salary to match Bogdon and finally bring him here to Milwaukee. Bogdon has been really good this year, but the Hawks are a mess.

[pifhluk23]

Pat has a career .601 efg% in the playoffs and he's one of those guys that does all the little things. No way I'm trading him unless it's a serious upgrade. Bobby is the only piece with salary that we should consider trading.

[randy84]

I really do not understand the thinking on this board that Pat is not moveable because of his links to an owner. This is incredibly naive thinking in my opinion. The owners of the team did not get to where they are by simply ignoring diminishing returns. These are businessmen who have gained incredible wealth by successfully separating business from personal relationships. Also, go tell Dame and Giannis that the team has an opportunity to improve their chances at winning a championship but they won't do it because they do not want to trade Pat. This is all such nonsense. If Pat is what makes a trade work, than Pat will be traded.

I say that without any real desire to trade Pat, I like him and his playoff numbers are incredibly good, I just do not see him having an exemption on this roster.

Is this like telling Giannis and Brook that they have a better chance of winning if Thanasis and Robin aren't on the team?