ATL - Oladipo is Really Good (and Bledsoe dominant again)

[EastSideBucksFan]

C'mon. You are a mod. Everyone was surprised we could get a 2nd for Moute. And Udoh would do NOTHING for the Clipps. In fact, he would do very little for most teams. And Ers at 8M wasn't nearly a match for them as they have Blake Griffin there and want to cut salary.

People are simply not recognizing that in terms of value we don't have a whole lot. We paid Ersan when no one else in the league would. He has maintained that value but I wouldn't argue that it has gone up substantially. Dudley is a starter, an ideal role player, and is on a very team friendly deal. The Clipps, and most teams, value that a lot more than Moute, Udoh, etc.

Udoh would be the best and only interior defender that team has on their roster.

That team literally has nobody in the front court who can defend.

[ReasonablySober]

You guys can spend all the energy you want about hypotheticals and imaginary deals. I'll get annoyed at all the tangible mistakes this team makes.

You are looking at it from the "mistake" perspective. If Hammond doesn't make mistakes, we simply tread water.

I'd like us to get better. To do that, you have to make positive trades. Ones where we don't just tread water and don't make a mistake. Ones where we acquire players who turn out far better than what we gave up. Like Phoenix just did with Bledsoe.

Hammond arguably has made only two trades in six years that ended up with positive value. Acquiring Salmons and later trading him to The Kings and moving up from 10 to 7 in the 2011 draft. In both cases the positive value was small and fleeting. In the second Salmons deal, it lasted ten seconds until he gave up pick 7 for Stephen Jackson.

I understand that. But I also don't dwell on hypotheticals. I don't even dwell on mistakes that we know for a fact happened, like the opportunity to acquire Curry. Because what's the point? I simply don't see the value in constantly living in the past, particularly when these opportunities may or may not have been real.

[Wonka]

Hindsight is everything in these situations. If we had acquired Curry, I am sure there would be a number of people who would bring up his glass ankles and ask why we didn't get Monta instead. To dwell on this stuff is redundant. We all know our FO is inept and frankly, terrible in trade situations. It's like a bad in-law or a case or herpes; just have to live with it at this point.

[trwi7]

I am sure there would be a number of people who would bring up his glass ankles and ask why we didn't get Monta instead.

Only stupid people would do that.

[CanadaBucks]

You guys can spend all the energy you want about hypotheticals and imaginary deals. I'll get annoyed at all the tangible mistakes this team makes.

Agreed, it's like going through life worrying about what you could have done differently.

[bullox]

Who is the next Bledsoe? Which up and coming PG ( or SG) is buried and needs a change of scenery?

[Wonka]

I am sure there would be a number of people who would bring up his glass ankles and ask why we didn't get Monta instead.

Only stupid people would do that.

That's why this whole discussion is hindsight related. I guarantee a number of members on this board were excited when we traded for Monta. 2 years ago, the whole league was unsure of Curry staying healthy and no one really wanted him. I wouldn't say that makes people stupid.

[randy84]

Who is the next Bledsoe? Which up and coming PG ( or SG) is buried and needs a change of scenery?

Brandon Knight?

[Bad Midget]

I am sure there would be a number of people who would bring up his glass ankles and ask why we didn't get Monta instead.

Only stupid people would do that.

Hindsight bias alert. People would be ripping the team to shreds the minute his ankles shattered.

[jr lucosa]

Who is the next Bledsoe? Which up and coming PG ( or SG) is buried and needs a change of scenery?

Unfortunately many of the PGs in recent drafts if they didn't work out were pretty much insta-busts, so I think that list is pretty short right now.

John Jenkins is an SG I like, only has been in 1 of 3 games for ATL so far this year for all of 6 minutes. I don't know that he's a Bledsoe level talent though.

[trwi7]

I am sure there would be a number of people who would bring up his glass ankles and ask why we didn't get Monta instead.

Only stupid people would do that.

Hindsight bias alert. People would be ripping the team to shreds the minute his ankles shattered.

Ripping the team for trading Bogut for a guy who's a known injury risk - maybe.

Ripping the team for trading Bogut for Curry instead of Ellis? - LMFAOOMGSMHIMOIMOSMHLMFAOSMHSMHSMHLMFAO

[Bad Midget]

Only stupid people would do that.

Hindsight bias alert. People would be ripping the team to shreds the minute his ankles shattered.

Ripping the team for trading Bogut for a guy who's a known injury risk - maybe.

Ripping the team for trading Bogut for Curry instead of Ellis? - LMFAOOMGSMHIMOIMOSMHLMFAOSMHSMHSMHLMFAO

Yeah I guess. Maybe I just am too pessimistic about our fan base.

[bullox]

Who is the next Bledsoe? Which up and coming PG ( or SG) is buried and needs a change of scenery?

Brandon Knight?

No. He has enough of a history in the NBA to show that he doesn't have that type of potential. He wasn't held behind a CP3-type talent in Detroit. He was starting.

[Baddy Chuck]

You guys can spend all the energy you want about hypotheticals and imaginary deals. I'll get annoyed at all the tangible mistakes this team makes.

You were completely indifferent to the biggest tangible mistake the team made in a long while too though.

[CanadaBucks]

Who is the next Bledsoe? Which up and coming PG ( or SG) is buried and needs a change of scenery?

Unfortunately many of the PGs in recent drafts if they didn't work out were pretty much insta-busts, so I think that list is pretty short right now.

John Jenkins is an SG I like, only has been in 1 of 3 games for ATL so far this year for all of 6 minutes. I don't know that he's a Bledsoe level talent though.

He was hurt, think he's just getting in shape

[Baddy Chuck]

Who is the next Bledsoe? Which up and coming PG ( or SG) is buried and needs a change of scenery?

I think Lamb and Jackson are the two to look at but I don't think OKC has any idea what they're doing or any interest in what we have.

[jr lucosa]

He was hurt, think he's just getting in shape

I wondered if that was the case, but wasn't sure since he missed game 1 and 3 and played the one in between.

ETA - I guess they've played 4 games, whatever.

[CanadaBucks]

He was hurt, think he's just getting in shape

I wondered if that was the case, but wasn't sure since he missed game 1 and 3 and played the one in between.

ETA - I guess they've played 4 games, whatever.

Evidently it's back spasms

[CanadaBucks]

Who is the next Bledsoe? Which up and coming PG ( or SG) is buried and needs a change of scenery?

I think Lamb and Jackson are the two to look at but I don't think OKC has any idea what they're doing or any interest in what we have.

I'm sure they would take Sanders for Perkins and one of those guys

[ReasonablySober]

You guys can spend all the energy you want about hypotheticals and imaginary deals. I'll get annoyed at all the tangible mistakes this team makes.

You were completely indifferent to the biggest tangible mistake the team made in a long while too though.

Yup. That's pretty much my point, though. The second biggest mistake the organization has made in the last five years (Curry being the biggest, easily) and it really wasn't that big a deal. Harris is so highly regarded around the league, that Orlando's win total from last year was expected to go up...one game? Two? Maybe he ends up a difference maker and a multiple time all-star, but there isn't anything to suggest it happens at this point. Yes, he's young, I know.

I think what it comes down to is I'm not really all that pessimistic with the overall state of the franchise.

People bitch about Mayo, Zaza, Ridnour and Delfino but those are the kinds of player that virtually every roster in the NBA has. The Bucks don't have any major cap killing deals and those three aren't going to move the needle. So we have some below average vets. Whatever, don't really care.

We've got some projectable young guys I'm excited about, namely Giannis. It's fun to read so many around the net saying he's got the best potential in the entire class. Combine his age, his skillset and he's crazy physical tools and I'm genuinely pumped to have him around.

Henson to me looks like a legit NBA center. I like how he's developed offensively and I still think he's going to be an impact defender, and that's something I care about most when it comes to NBA bigs.

Sanders, the early start to the season notwithstanding, is still a bargain on his deal IMO. I think he's a buiding block.

But most of all I'm pumped that the Bucks look like they won't win 26 games during a season that ends with a loaded draft. I'm optimistic they'll add another impact prospect next June.

Until the organization's trajectory changes significantly, I'm going to be happy with the state of things.