The Jabari Discussion Thread - Back 2/2

[LogitechBucks]

That's another assumption, I would rather see him play before making that determination.

ok let's see him play for approximately 4 months. Does that mean he is less likely to blow out his knee the following season? If my memory is correct, he plaid great for 4 months before his second blown out knee. So seeing what he does will tell us very little as to what is going to happen going forward. Meanwhile we just sit back and waste a golden opportunity, one of which has not presented itself in a very long time. I would says that's illogical and I think Spock would concur.

All I am saying is that no one can predicted the future, no one knows how an injury can effect a player. There are no definite or absolutes. There are many determining factors. You can be Steph Curry, Embiid, Jason Kidd, DSJ or you can be Grant Hill, Yao Ming, Derrick Rose, Brandon Roy. I get it you believe Jabari is with the latter group, I believe he is with the former. You want to cut ties and have lost faith, well i have not. I am willing to give him the time.

At the expense of what? Do you understand just what a negative it will be on the Bucks if it goes badly. We will have went from a top 3 pick that could have brought us some amazing assets in return to a guy who could be eating up 20 million dollars a year and might only play a small percentage of games until that new salary runs out. Ask the Knicks how they feel about that? (J. Noah)

[TJseven]

Yup its like playing russian roulette for $100,000 but there's an option to set down the gun, walk away, pass go and collect $200.

Sure, think of the upside! But it could kill you.

[TroyD92]

Yup its like playing russian roulette for $100,000 but there's an option to set down the gun, walk away, pass go and collect $200.

Sure, think of the upside! But it could kill you.

That upside is probably one of the only chances the Bucks have to win a championship. Unless you're one of those people who think top tier free agents are going to sign with the bucks for less then the max. Take Parker out of the equation. This team is still in cap hell and the likelyhood that Horst can manage to secure cap space for a superstar is low, and the chances a superstar would sign in UFA with the Bucks is a few notches lower than that.

[RiotPunch]

If my memory is correct, he plaid great for 4 months before his second blown out knee.

[Rainwater]

ok let's see him play for approximately 4 months. Does that mean he is less likely to blow out his knee the following season? If my memory is correct, he plaid great for 4 months before his second blown out knee. So seeing what he does will tell us very little as to what is going to happen going forward. Meanwhile we just sit back and waste a golden opportunity, one of which has not presented itself in a very long time. I would says that's illogical and I think Spock would concur.

All I am saying is that no one can predicted the future, no one knows how an injury can effect a player. There are no definite or absolutes. There are many determining factors. You can be Steph Curry, Embiid, Jason Kidd, DSJ or you can be Grant Hill, Yao Ming, Derrick Rose, Brandon Roy. I get it you believe Jabari is with the latter group, I believe he is with the former. You want to cut ties and have lost faith, well i have not. I am willing to give him the time.

At the expense of what? Do you understand just what a negative it will be on the Bucks if it goes badly. We will have went from a top 3 pick that could have brought us some amazing assets in return to a guy who could be eating up 20 million dollars a year and might only play a small percentage of games until that new salary runs out. Ask the Knicks how they feel about that? (J. Noah)

Do you understand the positives it can provide IF it goes well........We literally can play this what if game all night.

[LogitechBucks]

Yup its like playing russian roulette for $100,000 but there's an option to set down the gun, walk away, pass go and collect $200.

Sure, think of the upside! But it could kill you.

Here is yet another example of Logic versus emotional attachment.

You are on your way to the NBA Finals and you have two choices to get there by car. One is to go through the mountains because it has many scenic views. The other road is slightly shorter but all you are going to see is corn fields The weather forecasters tell you that there has been two avalanches on the scenic Mountain Pass recently. They warn you that there is a fifty percent chance your car will be hit by an avalanche if you take the scenic route. They tell you that you might get stranded. Your car might get hit and you will get hurt and they tell you that you might even die.

If you take the boring route you will get to the NBA Finals game at some point and it might be sooner than taking the scenic route. Which route does anyone using logic take? Which one does an emotional, irrational person take?

I understand many have an emotional attachment to Jabari Parker. He seems like a good young man. However, to argue there is any logic in prolonging this situation in hopes it all works out is not Logical. What is Logical is to end the huge risks and get the best player who can help the Bucks meet their needs sooner rather than later.

[TroyD92]

This guy reminds me of someone but I can't put
My finger on it.

[Rainwater]

Yup its like playing russian roulette for $100,000 but there's an option to set down the gun, walk away, pass go and collect $200.

Sure, think of the upside! But it could kill you.

Here is yet another example of Logic versus emotional attachment.

You are on your way to the NBA Finals and you have two choices to get there by car. One is to go through the mountains because it has many scenic views. The other road is slightly shorter but all you are going to see is corn fields The weather forecasters tell you that there has been two avalanches on the scenic Mountain Pass recently. They warn you that there is a fifty percent chance your car will be hit by an avalanche if you take the scenic route. They tell you that you might get stranded. Your car might get hit and you will get hurt and they tell you that you might even die.

If you take the boring route you will get to the NBA Finals game at some point and it might be sooner than taking the scenic route. Which route does anyone using logic take? Which one does an emotional, irrational person take?

I understand many have an emotional attachment to Jabari Parker. He seems like a good young man. However, to argue there is any logic in prolonging this situation in hopes it all works out is not Logical. What is Logical is to end the huge risks and get the best player who can help the Bucks meet their needs sooner rather than later.

You are are confusing emotion with risk/chance. Are we willing to risk a lot on Jabari with the big chance we may either crash and burn or make it big.

By your logic Golden State should have never took a shot with Steph Curry. They should have gone the safe route and traded him, he was going to be the next Grant Hill. Some people take the safe route, others take chances.

[LogitechBucks]

Yup its like playing russian roulette for $100,000 but there's an option to set down the gun, walk away, pass go and collect $200.

Sure, think of the upside! But it could kill you.

That upside is probably one of the only chances the Bucks have to win a championship. Unless you're one of those people who think top tier free agents are going to sign with the bucks for less then the max. Take Parker out of the equation. This team is still in cap hell and the likelyhood that Horst can manage to secure cap space for a superstar is low, and the chances a superstar would sign in UFA with the Bucks is a few notches lower than that.

Many of us believe the Bucks are closer than you do. We have the 3rd best wing in the League in Kris Middleton. I only see Bradley Beal and Klay Thompson being better. We have Giannis the 3rd best player in the league right now. We have the best pg we have had in years. We have Malcomn Brogdon who is trending upwards and is a player every championship quality team needs. We have the perfect roll player in Snell. Our only real needs are an effective, consistent center and a couple better bench players. So by moving Jabari and one or two of either Telly, Delly, and Henson along with anyone else not previously mentioned, we can acquire those missing pieces in the very near future and those moves will make us a contender this year and next year and then we can make wholesale roster changes if we come up short.

This whole thing about needing another Superstar is so overblown. The Rockets have one superstar and a bunch of roll players and their the best team in the west. San Antonio keeps winning with their best player out. All we need is to improve our bench and get a legitmate center and we will be a very strong team unlike anything we have had in a long, long time.

[LogitechBucks]

Yup its like playing russian roulette for $100,000 but there's an option to set down the gun, walk away, pass go and collect $200.

Sure, think of the upside! But it could kill you.

Here is yet another example of Logic versus emotional attachment.

You are on your way to the NBA Finals and you have two choices to get there by car. One is to go through the mountains because it has many scenic views. The other road is slightly shorter but all you are going to see is corn fields The weather forecasters tell you that there has been two avalanches on the scenic Mountain Pass recently. They warn you that there is a fifty percent chance your car will be hit by an avalanche if you take the scenic route. They tell you that you might get stranded. Your car might get hit and you will get hurt and they tell you that you might even die.

If you take the boring route you will get to the NBA Finals game at some point and it might be sooner than taking the scenic route. Which route does anyone using logic take? Which one does an emotional, irrational person take?

I understand many have an emotional attachment to Jabari Parker. He seems like a good young man. However, to argue there is any logic in prolonging this situation in hopes it all works out is not Logical. What is Logical is to end the huge risks and get the best player who can help the Bucks meet their needs sooner rather than later.

You are are confusing emotion with risk/chance. Are we willing to risk a lot on Jabari with the big chance we may either crash and burn or make it big.

By your logic Golden State should have never took a shot with Steph Curry. They should have gone the safe route and traded him, he was going to be the next Grant Hill. Some people take the safe route, others take chances.

Steph Curry was never injured to the extent that Jabari has been. Steph Curry signed a modest deal to keep his career moving forward. Jabari and his agent have already told us their intentions. My example was spot on my friend.

[Rainwater]

Yup its like playing russian roulette for $100,000 but there's an option to set down the gun, walk away, pass go and collect $200.

Sure, think of the upside! But it could kill you.

That upside is probably one of the only chances the Bucks have to win a championship. Unless you're one of those people who think top tier free agents are going to sign with the bucks for less then the max. Take Parker out of the equation. This team is still in cap hell and the likelyhood that Horst can manage to secure cap space for a superstar is low, and the chances a superstar would sign in UFA with the Bucks is a few notches lower than that.

Many of us believe the Bucks are closer than you do. We have the 3rd best wing in the League in Kris Middleton. I only see Bradley Beal and Klay Thompson being better. We have Giannis the 3rd best player in the league right now. We have the best pg we have had in years. We have Malcomn Brogdon who is trending upwards and is a player every championship quality team needs. We have the perfect roll player in Snell. Are only real needs are an effective, consistent center and a couple better bench players. So by moving Jabari and one or two of either Telly, Delly, and Henson along with anyone else not previously mentioned, we can acquire those missing pieces in the very near future and those moves will make us a contender this year and next year and then we can make wholesale roster changes if we come up short.

This whole thing about needing another Superstar is so overblown. The Rockets have one and a bunch of roll players and their the best team in the west. San Antonio keeps winning with their best player out. All we need is to improve our bench and get a legitmate center and we will be a very strong team unlike anything we have had in a long, long time.

Khris Middleton top 3 wing????? Seriously. Are we still doing this??? Come on now. He is not even top 6.

The regular season does not matter, btw. Boston proved that last year. This is a Star driven league and stars to do matter. The Championship goes through Golden State.

[LogitechBucks]

This guy reminds me of someone but I can't put
My finger on it.

I am Rodney Dangerfield cuz I just don't get any respect. Next week I will be Bob Uecker because I must be in the front row.

[TroyD92]

but your answer for a center is Vucevic? Who's literally one of the worst starting centers in the league? For a guy who if he stays healthy is an all-star ?

[LogitechBucks]

That upside is probably one of the only chances the Bucks have to win a championship. Unless you're one of those people who think top tier free agents are going to sign with the bucks for less then the max. Take Parker out of the equation. This team is still in cap hell and the likelyhood that Horst can manage to secure cap space for a superstar is low, and the chances a superstar would sign in UFA with the Bucks is a few notches lower than that.

Many of us believe the Bucks are closer than you do. We have the 3rd best wing in the League in Kris Middleton. I only see Bradley Beal and Klay Thompson being better. We have Giannis the 3rd best player in the league right now. We have the best pg we have had in years. We have Malcomn Brogdon who is trending upwards and is a player every championship quality team needs. We have the perfect roll player in Snell. Are only real needs are an effective, consistent center and a couple better bench players. So by moving Jabari and one or two of either Telly, Delly, and Henson along with anyone else not previously mentioned, we can acquire those missing pieces in the very near future and those moves will make us a contender this year and next year and then we can make wholesale roster changes if we come up short.

This whole thing about needing another Superstar is so overblown. The Rockets have one and a bunch of roll players and their the best team in the west. San Antonio keeps winning with their best player out. All we need is to improve our bench and get a legitmate center and we will be a very strong team unlike anything we have had in a long, long time.

Khris Middleton top 3 wing????? Seriously. Are we still doing this??? Come on now. He is not even top 6.

The regular season does not matter, btw. Boston proved that last year. This is a Star driven league and stars to do matter. The Championship goes through Golden State.

Name 3 more wings better than Middleton. This is going to be interesting. Don't say Derozen either because he doesn't shoots 3's

[TroyD92]

This guy reminds me of someone but I can't put
My finger on it.

I am Rodney Dangerfield cuz I just don't get any respect. Next week I will be Bob Uecker because I must be in the front row.

You just remind me of someone who used to post here and I just can't put my finger on it lol. I don't have a problem with you either btw, we just disagree heavily on what it takes to win a championship

[LogitechBucks]

but your answer for a center is Vucevic? Who's literally one of the worst starting centers in the league? For a guy who if he stays healthy is an all-star ?

Give me about 15 minutes. I am going to show you logically and with a multitude of stats (advanced metrics) that he would be an awesome pick up for the tiny salary he is currently getting paid.

[RiotPunch]

This guy reminds me of someone but I can't put
My finger on it.

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[TroyD92]

but your answer for a center is Vucevic? Who's literally one of the worst starting centers in the league? For a guy who if he stays healthy is an all-star ?

Give me about 15 minutes. I am going to show you logically and with a multitude of stats (advanced metrics) that he would be an awesome pick up for the tiny salary he is currently getting paid.

I can't wait to see these defensive metrics

[LogitechBucks]

This guy reminds me of someone but I can't put
My finger on it.

I am Rodney Dangerfield cuz I just don't get any respect. Next week I will be Bob Uecker because I must be in the front row.

You just remind me of someone who used to post here and I just can't put my finger on it lol. I don't have a problem with you either btw, we just disagree heavily on what it takes to win a championship

You don't bother me either. A good debate about the team we both love is what Real GM is all about.

[LogitechBucks]

but your answer for a center is Vucevic? Who's literally one of the worst starting centers in the league? For a guy who if he stays healthy is an all-star ?

Give me about 15 minutes. I am going to show you logically and with a multitude of stats (advanced metrics) that he would be an awesome pick up for the tiny salary he is currently getting paid.

I can't wait to see these defensive metrics

Be careful for what you wish for. I will give you a clue, Vucevic is currently 19th out of 446 players in one of the most important defensive advanced metrics.